Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[TheGrizz]

Two things can be true.

You can have believed in Rutten as a coach and be disgusted by how he was treated by the club whilst being moved on
AND
Admit that it was, in hindsight, the right decision to make and that Scott has been a great appointment.

To argue the two things as if they are mutually exclusive is unnecessary

 

[bombadeer]

Everyone was singing Rutten’s praises in 2021 - winning is everything.

What Scott is doing behind closed doors with the stakeholders is as important as the results he’s getting on field.

There is an enormous amount of work to do to make us a serious flag threat, he needs to be hammering that message home to the board and the coteries. 2023 has been a step in the right direction so far, but how competitive we are in finals is the real test.

 

[yodellinhank]

Two things can be true.

You can have believed in Rutten as a coach and be disgusted by how he was treated by the club whilst being moved on
AND
Admit that it was, in hindsight, the right decision to make and that Scott has been a great appointment.

To argue the two things as if they are mutually exclusive is unnecessary

I don't think anyone can believe in Rutten as a coach with the evidence given that he was terrible at coaching. You'd have to be a loon.

But he did good things for the club. He had to undo a lot of damage done to the place by his predecessor. People have fallen in love with the place again and half the job was done for Scott, who carried on from Rutten in that regard. Both have embraced the place and tried to develop a strong culture of belonging. Unlike that other campaigner who only wanted to tear the place down and advocate he needed extension upon extension.

So the comment earlier

Treated him the same way he treated the club

missed the target by a long, long way. Rutten treated the club really well, he just couldn't coach.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

This thread is now a weird victory lap where the two weeks of bullshit in August 2022 were always forseen to deliver us to Brad Scott, weird because I don't remember his name mentioned once.

There were a few of us on here saying he’d be a great pick.

 

[Lore]

 

[ghostdog]

Lol mate, you weren't singing the doom and gloom song back then because Clarko was going to be privy to some scandal or "background checks", you were complaining because we didn't get him, and that the aftermath of that would result to some circus.

Don't try and switch this narrative that you saw the scandal coming and it was because of that, that you were trashing the board at the time.

Our board was restructured, our aims were altered, dead weight (which had the audacity to appoint Rutten in the first place) was shedded, and in the aftermath of Clarko choosing North, fractures didn't take place, nor did we lose sight of what was the overall reason for change in the first place: to be more competitive and stop the same old BS.

There is no "victory lap" here, it's just you not being humble enough to just accept that drastic change was needed, and for however we've come out of it, we have a better chance at a future than we've had in the last 20 years. You're trying to do a victory lap yourself despite no victory. Get your hand off it, Nuggs. Move on. You and ghost.

So, we agree that Barham was unprofessional. Excellent.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

STFU about Rutten and Barham etc. Take it to the Board thread FFS

 

[citizen-erased]

There's an opportunity in the back half of the season

We play the best two sides in the comp again. Both times at the G. Can we be competitive again

We go to GMHBA, have freo in WA and travel somewhere for GWS (forget where)

The rest of the season is at home against sides also fighting for a spot from 5th-8th, plus the roos and eagles again

8 wins is well beyond what i thought achievable
I like scotts one week at a time approach. Its been gradual but i see lots of growth week on week.

 

[ant555]

I’d like to see Scott tweaking our game plan now with an eye to finals.

The confidence of the team is high - I know there will be reluctance to tinker too much given it’s a development year, but we’ll get walloped in finals with the current game plan.

You do not tweek the base game plan first year in . If we make the finals with this plan it will have stood up enough to make us competitive.
If they start changing now the players start questioning in the same way they did with Truck when he made too many changes for 2022.
Stay the course. It is a long term plan / build.

 

[ant555]

Two things can be true.

You can have believed in Rutten as a coach and be disgusted by how he was treated by the club whilst being moved on
AND
Admit that it was, in hindsight, the right decision to make and that Scott has been a great appointment.

To argue the two things as if they are mutually exclusive is unnecessary

Exactly. Could have been done a lot better and they should not have put as much pressure on Truck for results leading into 2022 but he also made the changes that lead to the players losing faith in the plan and Scott has brought experience plus a level of ability to handle the board due to his AFL stint .

 

[justlookingaround]

I have a lot of faith and trust in Scott to do the sensible things when it comes to implementing game plan.
He'd be well aware of what went wrong from 21-22.
I have less faith in the board, their factions and frankly our supporters in tempering expectations and not placing undue pressure on the coaching group.
Matty Lloyd, who is usually very rational in his takes, is already publicly saying we should be competing for top 4 next year.

 

[dank420_]

Matty Lloyd

dumb as dog shit

 

[justlookingaround]

dumb as dog s**t

I still love Lloydy. Always will!

 

[Lore]

Matty Lloyd, who is usually very rational in his takes, is already publicly saying we should be competing for top 4 next year.

Lloyd is one of the biggest Essendon nuffies on TV, along with Robbo. Neither of them are rational about Essendon, their opinions are based on emotional attachment, friendship and a bald W-L record with no nuance whatsoever. They're on par with Cornes and King for level of reliability and insight, although a little more sincere.

 

[ant555]

I have a lot of faith and trust in Scott to do the sensible things when it comes to implementing game plan.
He'd be well aware of what went wrong from 21-22.
I have less faith in the board, their factions and frankly our supporters in tempering expectations and not placing undue pressure on the coaching group.
Matty Lloyd, who is usually very rational in his takes, is already publicly saying we should be competing for top 4 next year.

Lloyd rational. Yeah nah . Lloyd is big on yelling about the problem but has limited ideas about fixing the problem.

 

[justlookingaround]

I'm probably biased because I usually agree with him - therefore he is rational

 

[Lore]

I'm probably biased because I usually agree with him - therefore he is rational

I think they're worth listening to if only to figure out what the feeling is at board level and among the past players/coterie types. Sort of a canary in the coal mine situation.

If Lloyd and Robbo are shouting about top 4 then probably that's what half the board/coteries want and think will happen.

If they suddenly stop saying it, you know that someone they respect has had words with them to cool their jets.

And if they keep saying it and then we crash and burn next year, the knives will be out.

 

[fairbump_playon]

You can simultaneously be happy with the appointment of Scott and be unhappy about:
-> moving to sack Rutten and hire Clarko because Clarko was about to be signed by North or GWS
-> not doing background checks or due process on selecting Clarko
-> hiring the guy you hired to find your CEO, as your CEO, and then firing him because you didn't do a background check
etc.

This thread is now a weird victory lap where the two weeks of bullshit in August 2022 were always forseen to deliver us to Brad Scott, weird because I don't remember his name mentioned once.

The victory lap is really that now matter how insane Barham seemed at the time, he was following the old John Kennedy maxim… don’t think… DO!!!

I was a massive critic at the time but a good outcome has been made possible by the willingness to shake the tree.

Plenty of sliding doors factors. Clarkson without racism might have worked well. (Though I would still hate Clarkson). Thorburn without dramatic over-reaction to his rabid church mates might have worked well.

All that fell over but the drive to move forward has created a freshness where it was needed.

 

[justlookingaround]

I think they're worth listening to if only to figure out what the feeling is at board level and among the past players/coterie types. Sort of a canary in the coal mine situation.

If Lloyd and Robbo are shouting about top 4 then probably that's what half the board/coteries want and think will happen.

If they suddenly stop saying it, you know that someone they respect has had words with them to cool their jets.

And if they keep saying it and then we crash and burn next year, the knives will be out.

Yeah, I just worry that there's the boys club faction waiting in the wings for any sign of weakness.
I do think Lloyd, regardless of what you think of his role in the media, just wants the club to get its shit together.
Whereas there are guys out there that will cheerlead for a hostile takeover, which will do nothing but destabilise the club.

 

[ant555]

The victory lap is really that now matter how insane Barham seemed at the time, he was following the old John Kennedy maxim… don’t think… DO!!!

I was a massive critic at the time but a good outcome has been made possible by the willingness to shake the tree.

Plenty of sliding doors factors. Clarkson without racism might have worked well. (Though I would still hate Clarkson). Thorburn without dramatic over-reaction to his rabid church mates might have worked well.

All that fell over but the drive to move forward has created a freshness where it was needed.

Do not forget a lot of parts where already identified. Yes he fixed the coaching issues but the process was already in place as far as player development and soft cap spend where concerned. A lot of the current results are a result of the first review. Getting the right coach has been the cherry on top.

 

[ant555]

Yeah, I just worry that there's the boys club faction waiting in the wings for any sign of weakness.
I do think Lloyd, regardless of what you think of his role in the media, just wants the club to get its s**t together.
Whereas there are guys out there that will cheerlead for a hostile takeover, which will do nothing but destabilise the club.

Lloyd is one of the boys club.

 

[Happyskeret]

Yeah, I just worry that there's the boys club faction waiting in the wings for any sign of weakness.
I do think Lloyd, regardless of what you think of his role in the media, just wants the club to get its s**t together.
Whereas there are guys out there that will cheerlead for a hostile takeover, which will do nothing but destabilise the club.

This is why I think he gets a bit carried away when we do any good.

 

[justlookingaround]

Lloyd is one of the boys club.

I didn't get the vibe from his media posturing that he was siding with Little or Sheedy/Hird.
Obviously I'm not in the know, but on face value he backed an external review and a proper process for appointing a coach.

 

[Lore]

Yeah, I just worry that there's the boys club faction waiting in the wings for any sign of weakness.
I do think Lloyd, regardless of what you think of his role in the media, just wants the club to get its s**t together.
Whereas there are guys out there that will cheerlead for a hostile takeover, which will do nothing but destabilise the club.

Robbo seems close with Sheedy and talks to Dodoro. Basically just a mouthpiece having a conniption on live television.

Lloyd seems to have some other connection to the club. Seems to get his news from past players and his weather from Sheedy. His alignment with their groupthink seems split, depending on who he spoke to most recently. Like he was more a fan of Scott and less of Hird than Sheedy seemed to be last September.

 

[yodellinhank]

Matty Lloyd, who is usually very rational in his takes, is already publicly saying we should be competing for top 4 next year.

Ridiculous. A lot can happen between now and then. We should be aiming for top 4 this year.