List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[gringo2011]

I’d take the punt on young Dow..look how Stocker’s turned out…another unloved at the blues

Matho is a better user of the ball. Dow would be okay cheap

 

[longlivelenny]

We all want trades because they are a sugar hit. But I really don't think this is the year for us to target anyone in free agency or trade (unless we trade someone out).
None of the free agents are great and we shouldn't waste money on so so players just because they don't cost draft picks.

In 2 years we are going to need to pay pou, nwm, chito and others much bigger money.

I really really hope that the club understands that we're not ready to compete despite our current ladder position. Bank as many first round draftees as possible in the next 2 years, start rising up the ladder consistently and then look for trades and free agents when we are on the cusp of really competing (2025-6).

At that point, if we are looking good, more quality players will want to come to us rather than having to pay a fortune for just decent players who are available.

Best option for us at the moment is to look for Jack Steele

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Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

type trades. Players who have a lot of untapped upside that don't currently have trade value. Not sure who those players are.


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[luca77]

Of course you would mind - but no-one forces you be an AFL player.

Same as getting drafted - if you voluntarily enter the draft, you understand you could be drafted anywhere.

If the players want all of the trade option that suit them (free agency, salary dumps, future picks etc) on the table, they need to accept something the other way.

Yeah, I don't buy this.

You should be able to be an AFL player AND choose where you want to live/work - just like anybody else.
I hope the players association take a stand against this.

 

[austinnn]

I’d take the punt on young Dow..look how Stocker’s turned out…another unloved at the blues

We got away with two and we are starting to see their limitations but they remain useful additions, but Dow is too similar to Dunstan for my comfort.

 

[austinnn]

Matho is a better user of the ball. Dow would be okay cheap

Got to stop sniffing for flawed bargain players. We have a glut of decent but ultimately flawed players, have got nowhere with them. Our trades need to be precise, assured quality, like when Tigers got Prestia or when Pies got Ball. We need two fast powerful mids and a proper full back and a tap ruckman.

 

[austinnn]

We all want trades because they are a sugar hit. But I really don't think this is the year for us to target anyone in free agency or trade (unless we trade someone out).
None of the free agents are great and we shouldn't waste money on so so players just because they don't cost draft picks.

In 2 years we are going to need to pay pou, nwm, chito and others much bigger money.

Absolutely agree

 

[sunny3193]

Our new list manager.

 

[gringo2011]

We all want trades because they are a sugar hit. But I really don't think this is the year for us to target anyone in free agency or trade (unless we trade someone out).
None of the free agents are great and we shouldn't waste money on so so players just because they don't cost draft picks.

In 2 years we are going to need to pay pou, nwm, chito and others much bigger money.

I really really hope that the club understands that we're not ready to compete despite our current ladder position. Bank as many first round draftees as possible in the next 2 years, start rising up the ladder consistently and then look for trades and free agents when we are on the cusp of really competing (2025-6).

At that point, if we are looking good, more quality players will want to come to us rather than having to pay a fortune for just decent players who are available.

Best option for us at the moment is to look for Jack Steele type trades. Players who have a lot of untapped upside that don't currently have trade value. Not sure who those players are.


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That's if they all end up making it. Parish is elite and ideal IMO. I'd be having a massive go at him.

We said the same about Paddy, Billings and Acres. The good thing is that not over-paying kids stops the cycle.

If we aren't ready to compete then we might as well rebuild now because there is only a few years left before we need to replace a lot of players. 12 years into a rebuild and starting again just isn't going to happen. They'd need to spill the board at that point and bring in some pros.

Agree finding a few semi developed types is good business but they cost trade capital which means draft capital too.

 

[DougalHoward]

Our new list manager.

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[George]

Of the 5 players you’ve listed, only 1 has currency & that is Gresham

I disagree

 

[gringo2011]

Got to stop sniffing for flawed bargain players. We have a glut of decent but ultimately flawed players, have got nowhere with them. Our trades need to be precise, assured quality, like when Tigers got Prestia or when Pies got Ball. We need two fast powerful mids and a proper full back and a tap ruckman.

I'm not trying to find champions with this lot, just pure depth. Our issue is that we lack depth and quality. We need both. Our midfield doesn't have enough high end and if we remove Gresham it's another down with Ross heading past 30 and Crouch straight behind him. If we are expecting to stay top 8 next year we need to keep bringing in Flanders/Dow types, Crouch/Matho types and kids so that we have a spread of depth and ages. At the moment we have nothing in reserve and it's ruining campaigns.

The issue we have is that we haven't drafted a layer of stars to mix our depth players in with. Our depth players are our best 22 and only have kids that aren't ready or players who probably aren't going to make it. Finding cheap ways to stock up is good business.

 

[gringo2011]

I disagree

Gresham would be worth FA after the season he's had. Probably a late second rounder at best right now. We'd probably better hope that he comes good next year and that we can sign him on minimum chips. He's done the reverse Jack Billings and shat the bed in his contract year.

 

[Joffaboy]

If I was in the AFL then I'd accept it, doesn't mean i'd like it. But at the end of the day that just comes with wanting to play a professional sport and getting paid more than the average Australian.

Do you think other sports get to choose where they work and live?

Also, people are forced to move for work all the time, it just comes with whatever industry you find yourself in and where the work available is.

Other sports are on multi million dollar contracts.
When the average AFL salary is 1 million dollars it might be feasible.

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[PoppedCorn]

I'd move interstate for a 400 grand job

Harden the **** up

 

[Klaatu]

Gresham would be worth FA after the season he's had. Probably a late second rounder at best right now. We'd probably better hope that he comes good next year and that we can sign him on minimum chips. He's done the reverse Jack Billings and shat the bed in his contract year.

How he’s playing now has no bearing to his FA value because the club he’s going to would’ve committed the $ & years to him so if he gets good $ we get a good FA pick & he’s in our top 10 payed players.


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[Saintos The ITK]

I think if you choose to play in the afl comp you go where you’re sent or wanted, you’re a long time out.
If you want to stay home choose the local comp and the relevant compensation.

 

[jwikked]

So you wouldn’t mind just being shipped off at the drop of a hat if you had young school aged children and your partner had a job?

If they don't want to do that, they don't need to play footy. They can get a job elsewhere.

 

[DougalHoward]

Making 400k in your 20s for 15 hours a week

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Our new list manager.

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I love him.

 

[gringo2011]

How he’s playing now has no bearing to his FA value because the club he’s going to would’ve committed the $ & years to him so if he gets good $ we get a good FA pick & he’s in our top 10 payed players.


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I doubt anyone is paying him more that $600k after this season on the back of a couple of injury plagued years. I reckon that's not getting us more than a second rounder.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I doubt anyone is paying him more that $600k after this season on the back of a couple of injury plagued years. I reckon that's not getting us more than a second rounder.

Depends if there's more than one genuine suiter.

 

[Klaatu]

I doubt anyone is paying him more that $600k after this season on the back of a couple of injury plagued years. I reckon that's not getting us more than a second rounder.

Why would he take less then he’s getting now, he may as well stay where he is.


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[gringo2011]

Why would he take less then he’s getting now, he may as well stay where he is.


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He might stay, it depends if we actually want to keep him. We might offer him $450k on a one year contract and push him out. We have no idea what he's been offered by us. I'm not sure we've put anything up even.

 

[Klaatu]

He might stay, it depends if we actually want to keep him. We might offer him $450k on a one year contract and push him out. We have no idea what he's been offered by us. I'm not sure we've put anything up even.

We would of & if we want him or we want to ramp up his value we match what the other clubs offer.


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[SteeleSaints]

Yeah, I don't buy this.

You should be able to be an AFL player AND choose where you want to live/work - just like anybody else.
I hope the players association take a stand against this.

I think the rational behind it is to slow the number of players & clubs entering into long term deals. To encourage the same players to enter shorter contracts and lesson the damage long term deals are contributing to. I think what the AFL are seeing is clubs like WCE and previously Collingwood being handcuffed to long term player contract deals. I know it is the clubs fault but its something that is becoming more prevelant and I dont think the AFL like it.