List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew, Baker Requested Trades - Barrass, Darling Current contract status (Updated 18/9/24) : Total 41 Players (Pending Trades) - Main List (35) Rookie List (4) Cat B (2) Contracted to 2028 (2) : Liam Duggan (11/12/96) - Signed a 4 year...

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[THE A5]

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Think he's close to a dogs debut, so might be hard.

Busslinger is more true kpd height but like other posters mentioned it's his rebound that makes him so good. He can go from competing a marking contest to quickly spreading to help use the ball on the way out. Others mentioned Curtin is a better kick, which is true but Busslinger is still a very very good kick. I likened Busslinger to a quarterback.

Curtin has more versatility, which is why I previously mentioned he's a bit like Pavlich. Can play defender, mid, fwd.
Defensively sound, elite skills.

I love both, and would happily have either.

I'm in Bali, so have missed the last few games. But since the start of the season, I've badly wanted Harley Reid and Curtin. We need to get both, even if we take no other picks apart from nga (confident both will last). McKercher only other I'd really like.

Is 195cm not KPP height? I feel like Key backs in general don’t need to be as tall as the forwards. Mind you he’s 18 and likely still growing

 

[Farang83150]

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He really looks like someone who would absolutely despise living in Perth!

Was probably more interested in the carpark to check out the burnout marks from the night before!

 

[CountryLad]

Was probably more interested in the carpark to check out the burnout marks from the night before!

A tour of Kwinana maybe?

 

[Farang83150]

A tour of Kwinana maybe?

God no....don't send the poor bloke anywhere near burntcock!

 

[maverick001]

Curtin is an obvious gun. Positional question marks aside, he'll make it as a defender worst case.

Edwards will come on in time, he's like a young English. Superb skills, accumulates, ruck work need to improve obviously.

Clay Hall is a pure mid. Runs all day, inside and outside there are more polished players but he's no butcher of the ball.

Koltyn is a brute. Who knows what he'll do in the AFL system.

Fonti & Ferrera are both jets. Quick attacking mids. Just what we need.

Hardeman has been average tonight but was excellent against SA.

Then there is the three NGA players.



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Is Hine-Baston an NGA player?

 

[maverick001]

I didn't see much of the Swans game tonight, but what I did see Sheldrick looked very very good. Sigh

 

[ThePuma #9]

Busslinger is a 197cm tall defender much more like Bazzo only a better kick.

Curtin 192cm whose built like a midfielder, stronger over the ball, better ball user again. Also can find the ball around the ground.


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Is 195cm not KPP height? I feel like Key backs in general don’t need to be as tall as the forwards. Mind you he’s 18 and likely still growing

Curtain is already 195cm and that’s not midfielder or wingman height as some are suggesting. I can’t think of one 195cm+ player that’s starred as a midfielder.

Most tall midfielder options are around the 191-192cm mark (koutafidies, Bont, Fyfe, Cripps)

I like Curtain a lot but he’s going to be at best a utility player or swing man. At very worst a very good CHB. Has oodles of talent and such a good kick for a kid his size but he’s not going to be a midfielder unless he’s the first of his kind to do so.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Is Hine-Baston an NGA player?

I think I recall he was associated with our academy ay one point, but doesn't seem like it anymore. Unless this list isn't accurate.

Red-hot WA duo among this year's NGA prospects

Ruckman Coen Livingstone and crafty forward Lance Collard are among the new crop of Next Generation Academy prospects

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[random260]

If Daniel Curtin does work out as a swingman can somebody explain to me how brander didn't work out? They seem practically the same at this point in time. Assuming Curtin works out well what made brander not?

 

[Dylan82]

Opinion remains unchanged.


Take H.Reid at 1.

Trade back into the first round for R.Sanders.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Reid looked fantastic tonight, there's no way we can gamble on not taking him at #1.

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[Chump Change]

Opinion remains unchanged.


Take H.Reid at 1.

Trade back into the first round for R.Sanders.

Power rankings had Sanders at 19 or 20. He looks top 10 to me.

 

[twce13]

Curtain is already 195cm and that’s not midfielder or wingman height as some are suggesting. I can’t think of one 195cm+ player that’s starred as a midfielder.

Most tall midfielder options are around the 191-192cm mark (koutafidies, Bont, Fyfe, Cripps)

I like Curtain a lot but he’s going to be at best a utility player or swing man. At very worst a very good CHB. Has oodles of talent and such a good kick for a kid his size but he’s not going to be a midfielder unless he’s the first of his kind to do so.

Whilst I don't think he will be a mid..

 

[briztoon]

Power rankings had Sanders at 19 or 20. He looks top 10 to me.

Who’s?

 

[ThePuma #9]

If Daniel Curtin does work out as a swingman can somebody explain to me how brander didn't work out? They seem practically the same at this point in time. Assuming Curtin works out well what made brander not?

Whilst I don't think he will be a mid..

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Yep we’ll there you go, i though Cripps was a few cms shorter.

Still what of Curtain keeps growing. At what height would you say he’d start to rule himself out?

 

[ThePuma #9]

Whilst I don't think he will be a mid..

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Yep we’ll there you go, i though Cripps was a few cms shorter.

Im curious though f Curtain keeps growing, at what height would he start to rule himself out?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have him, this isn’t a knock on him at all, I just also question if he could play a mid role full time.

 

[MrWoollie]

If Daniel Curtin does work out as a swingman can somebody explain to me how brander didn't work out? They seem practically the same at this point in time. Assuming Curtin works out well what made brander not?

Skill of Michael Jordan.
Heart of a pea.

 

[mattyc75]

If Daniel Curtin does work out as a swingman can somebody explain to me how brander didn't work out? They seem practically the same at this point in time. Assuming Curtin works out well what made brander not?

Brander wasnt actually any good in his draft year, didnt really stnd out in any position. was pushing for the first pick at the beginning of the year but fell a lot.
Ppl bang on about the kelly trade thats hamstrung us but its the brander pick that kicked it all off


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[WCErevival]

Yep we’ll there you go, i though Cripps was a few cms shorter.

Im curious though f Curtain keeps growing, at what height would he start to rule himself out?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have him, this isn’t a knock on him at all, I just also question if he could play a mid role full time.

Dont forget our midfield power house Greg Clark

 

[twce13]

Yep we’ll there you go, i though Cripps was a few cms shorter.

Still what of Curtain keeps growing. At what height would you say he’d start to rule himself out?

I actually don't see him as a mid so I agree with your sentiment in general. I'm worried about tweener status with him, but he does look the goods.

I'm def in the take reid camp tho

 

[Schtinker]

Is Hine-Baston an NGA player?

Pretty certain we can still take him as a NGA. Hopefully we'll get Livingstone and Hine-Baston but as someone else said Collard might be taken before pick 40.

 

[Shmiddy15]

Good to see he's already into the swing of things

 

[southcoast]

Pretty certain we can still take him as a NGA. Hopefully we'll get Livingstone and Hine-Baston but as someone else said Collard might be taken before pick 40.

Do these guys have to sign NGA documents and have they?

I mean I’d hate for an email to left in the junk box without some follow-up.




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[WCE_phil]

Can someone with good draft knowledge give some insight into Curtin vs busslinger from last year comparison?

How homesick can we get Curtin to be?

Curtin reads the play better, particularly further up the ground and is a better kick (one of the best in the draft pool) where as Buss was significantly better one on one. In saying that it's hard to tell as the rest of WA's key defence is pretty shit and I think we're playing against some better quality forwards this year. The interesting part will be athletically. I think Busslinger has Curtin covered and on top of that is 2-3cm taller.

I thought Curtin still broke even with Walter and that was with the allies destroying WA through the midfield similar to WCE vs Carlton etc.

Was having a bit of a chat after the game last night and unless it's last pick of draft or as a rookie I don't want Collard. Not because he doesn't have the skill or ability but because of attitude. May be better off being drafted interstate and getting the shock of the AFL system without the ability to go home each night or his normal group of friends.

Hall exactly what we need, won't be a star but is finding the ball at will and will only get better. I like his kicking action and think his kicking will improve. Ginbey level of kicking. Can play any midfield role, is hard and strong, good overhead. Perfect Redden replacement. Worried he doesn't make 19.

As it stands Curtin, Hall and Livingstone the only
WA players (for WCE) i'm interested in, in the main draft. Sanchez if we're going to be going late in the draft could be value. If we miss out on Livingstone Maybe Evan Smith late or as a rookie but I prefer Goad as he's a number 1 Ruck even if he needs as much development.

I think that Hardeman is a good player but doesn't offer enough of a point of difference to our other young defenders to warrant drafting. His kicking is good but not amazing and his decision making isn't elite. If i'm drafting a small defender this year I either want genuine elite lockdown or genuine elite kicking and decision making.

(Can't comment on what I would do with certain Vic players as they will potentially fall around the first pick of the club im working for)

 

[Farang83150]

Looks a bit lizard'ish...