List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[Big_Birdy]

I’m not sure how much inside info Duff has on the Eagles draft thoughts after all he said the Eagles were keen on Cadman and Jye Clarke last year.

But he’s mentioned a few times this morning the Eagles have interest in Duursma. No Mention of McKercher.

Well that's obviously false.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Caddy was BOG as his Knights team upset a nearly full strength, top of the table Dragons outfit. He was especially dominant in a first half in which Northern were rampant, surging out to a big lead. Unfortunately, his kicking on goal was rather wayward as he managed only 4.3 with 2 more out on the full.

A lot of the young guns are struggling with set-shot goal kicking.
It has plagued Reid all year as well as Walter.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I’m not sure how much inside info Duff has on the Eagles draft thoughts after all he said the Eagles were keen on Cadman and Jye Clarke last year.

I was very happy to miss out on Clarke last year, and I'm even more happy about it atm.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Well that's obviously false.

CountryLad sorry I am an idiot.

For some reason I thought they had the pick after us not before.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The guy missed all of last year due to injury, do you really think he’s not going to do everything he can to get out there this year

Oh. i'm sure he wants to play. But sometimes we have to protect players from themselves

 

[eaglespremiers]

Am I right in saying one of:

Reid, McKercher, Curtin, Duursma

will be an Eagle in 2024?

All gonna be bloody good

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Next minute we select Watson at pick 2.

 

[TerryFilk]

I suspect Naughton will end up at Fremantle using the draft capital they get from Darcy leaving, either this year or next

That’s my best guess anyway

Personally not that interested in Naughton as he’d cost too much in draft picks when we’re still rebuilding

Isn’t there bad blood with Naughton and Fremantle? A few Dockers fans have said there is.

Wouldn’t be shocked if he goes to Sydney or a big Victorian club to be fair.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I presume you are still salty that we got screwed over at the negotiating table by Brisbane in 2013 when we blew pick 28 when all from the distance knew that we could of used 31 or perhaps pick 43!! Who knows whether we pick Karpany at 28 anyway. If we had of screwed them over and given up 43, no Tom Barrass!!!

We went back to the Lion's Den with Jack Redden and gave up pick 17 which seemed high but in hindsight, fair.

Our club is not Port and we have a track record of getting our targets. It is well known in the player agent market that we will deliver. That is a big bonus and I laugh when I read so many posters saying we always get screwed over. Aside from the Kelly trade, I think we have been fair and successful in our targets in the last decade.


Let's look at what you are moaning about:

Pick 34 is likely to be closer to pick 40 to 45 with the F/S and NGA selections.

However using face value of picks 34 and 39, here are who was drafted at those picks in the last 7 years.

2022 - Toby McMullins and Harvey Gallagher
2021 - Matthew Roberts and Blakes Howes
2020 - Fraser Rosman and Josh Eyre
2019 - Jack Mahony and Chad Warner
2018 - Kieren Briggs (bid match) and Jarrod Cameron (bid match)
2017 - Patrick Naish (FS match) Nathan Murphy
2016 - Declan Watson and Josh Battle

Only 4 players from this list are in their clubs best 22 - Battle, Murphy, Briggs and Warner have all made best 22, so a hit rate so far of 4 out of 14.

I will happily give up pick 39 for Robertson. It will be a good acquisition - a position and age of absolute need. We have no players who turn 22 this year still on our list and our only AFL quality inside mids and Yeo, Culley and Ginbey. Don't forget the Lions got him with pick 22. The traded up one spot to grab him and it cost them dearly - they gave up pick 23 (the next pick) and the Pies F2 while getting a GWS F4 back. What you paid is history but it will still have sentiment in the Lions Den.


Importantly, I suggest we have a good working relationship with the Lions. We paid a fair price for Yeo and I suspect the Lions knew they had a decent talent but I do not believe they thought they had a 2 x AA, a 2 x F&B and a premiership player in Yeo. They probably accept they stuffed up with List Management and offered him unders. That said, I expect the door to be open to discussions for Robertson.

Nah i don't really have any targets at those picks its more about the points value trading to GC .

Even if we miss out on pick 4 we could use picks 34 and 39 to upgrade to 25 or 30 which GC hold .

Robertson has been on their list almost 4 seasons and is not a regular in the 22 let alone the midfield

SPS had been on Carlton list for 5 , played close to 100 games , had games far superior to Robertson and was also a top 10 pick

We traded a pick in the mid 50s for SPS and I think Robertson value is about the same

I don't care about being good guys at the trade table if its only ever 1 way

 

[TerryFilk]

Phil, where would you put Ginbey and Hewitt in this year's draft?

I know you’re not asking me… and it’s hard to rank them without being influenced by how good they’ve been this season, if we’re basing it off their draft years, I think Ginbey goes pick 4 or 5, he’d be ahead of Duursma and Watson in my opinion.

As for Hewett, he could go anywhere from 5-10, as he did have an up and down draft year but I think on talent alone he should be 5th or 6th in this draft.

I think the talent in the first round (only including players in the open pool) falls off dramatically after the top 5-6 guys, there’s still some nice players but none that fill me with huge confidence that they have A grade potential.

 

[southcoast]

In an ideal world, he would have found his feet in a functional Beagles team.

Amen to this - applies to all our draftees.

To me sort this issue and off field support and development out first then look at coach.





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[eaglespremiers]

Gotta be honest. I saw O'Sullivan play yesterday (pic for attention) and I was honestly unimpressed. His first quarter as the deep defender was reasonably good, however, the Bushrangers switched him forward in the second half and he barely saw the ball.

 

[eaglespremiers]

One player who did impress me was Cooper Simpson for the Stingrays. Had it 22 times and kicked 2 goals.
Guy has some toe about him and can really break the lines.
Would be a decent consideration for pick 39 onwards.

 

[CountryLad]

One player who did impress me was Cooper Simpson.
Guy has some toe about him and can really break the lines.
Would be a decent consideration for pick 39 onwards.
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I’ve mentioned him a few times in here lately I think he’s worth a punt on with a late second round or early third round pick.
Good photos too

 

[Agent93]

I think I read somewhere Essendon have no interest in trading for McKay if North match, his own club don’t even want to match, they want someone to overpay so they can get a pick for him that they wouldn’t otherwise get on the open market.

I think it’s ridiculous they could end up with pick 2 for him when it’s obvious they don’t really want him to stay, don’t think they’ve even tabled an offer to him.

Sounds like the McKay situation is going to be an interesting test case for the AFL's poorly thought up free agency laws.

On one hand you've got a club that wants to get rid of a player who is a mid AFL player, but only if it nets them a second top 5 draft pick.

Then you've got a player that doesn't want to play for said club, and a second club that would take him but doesn't want to overpay his salary because he's mid. They also don't want to trade for him because he's supposed to be a free agent.

If all of the above is true, then this plays out by either North keeping McKay semi-against his will, or McKay going to that wonderful substitute for free agency known as the pre-season draft. Either result is a clear demonstration of the system not working.

 

[eagles rule]

If West Coast ever become a team whose fans celebrate losing, revel in coming last and think the teams winning are a joke, well, I'd be off that bandwagon quick smart. North have a loser's attitude, it's why they have 'won' three consecutive spoons and why we will win a flag before them, Harley Reid or no.

JHF knew that’s why he tangled with a few of the senior players about losing and got out of there ..


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[Big_Birdy]

Sounds like the McKay situation is going to be an interesting test case for the AFL's poorly thought up free agency laws.

On one hand you've got a club that wants to get rid of a player who is a mid AFL player, but only if it nets them a second top 5 draft pick.

Then you've got a player that doesn't want to play for said club, and a second club that would take him but doesn't want to overpay his salary because he's mid. They also don't want to trade for him because he's supposed to be a free agent.

If all of the above is true, then this plays out by either North keeping McKay semi-against his will, or McKay going to that wonderful substitute for free agency known as the pre-season draft. Either result is a clear demonstration of the system not working.

It could actually work fine if the AFL does the right thing, uses the "anomalous result" factor they have regarding the compensation for FA and make it band 2. If getting pick 2 for Ben McKay isn't an anomalous result just get rid of that factor.

They clearly must have relied on that for Rockliff. That is the only other example where a team was looking at the possibility of pick 1,2 through FA.

 

[BOND 007]

BOND 007


How likely or unlikely is it that McKay gets a contract that nets Nth band 1 compensation ?

He seems like a player that’s not worth that to me but you would have a far better idea of what players such as him are worth on the open market.
Nth holding pick 1 & 2 certainly could change the draft board.

I've seen strange things in AFL circles so nothing should surprise me but McKay getting band 1 would be shall we say bizarre.

 

[Big_Birdy]

JHF knew that’s why he tangled with a few of the senior players about losing and got out of there ..


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I have started to wonder this. No player could be blamed for leaving after that, or if they caught wind, asking not to be drafted there.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

AFL should just come out and say no one is getting band 1 unless they've made multiple AA teams/squads before reaching free agency. If you're not good enough to do that, you're not good enough for band 1 no matter how much some desperate teams is willing to pay.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

JHF knew that’s why he tangled with a few of the senior players about losing and got out of there ..


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They are bordering on Melbourning a generation of draft picks. Jack Watts, Trengove, Scully can tell them all about the dangers.

 

[ghostbat12]

Dear God, why?

Nothing against Cadman but key forward wasn’t exactly the top of our priorities list.

What’s priority got to do with it. Go best available. When people look back at draft success for example, they don’t look at whether club drafted for need.

It’s naive to think Allen is the only answer for next 5-10 years and talls take longer to get going.

 

[BOND 007]

I think I read somewhere Essendon have no interest in trading for McKay if North match, his own club don’t even want to match, they want someone to overpay so they can get a pick for him that they wouldn’t otherwise get on the open market.

I think it’s ridiculous they could end up with pick 2 for him when it’s obvious they don’t really want him to stay, don’t think they’ve even tabled an offer to him.

Clarkson stated last week to the camera that McKay has had an offer from North in front of him since early in the year.

 

[garlic munchers]

cant understand how people can be angry at the club for losing.

disappointed that we miss out on Reid? sure.

But to be angry that the club didnt setup us up to deliberately lose is just insane. the ramifications of a club doing that going forward far outweighs any benefit we get from a single player.

personally im pumped to watch the game against adelaide now hoping we cand send off bunga and boots in the right way, without having the thoughts of losing reid back in mind.

on another note, would love us to go mckercher but i am not getting my hopes up on this.

"But to be angry that the club didnt setup us up to deliberately lose is just insane. the ramifications of a club doing that going forward far outweighs any benefit we get from a single player."

Like others, not angry just a tad in disbelief.

Had OA strapped up like a mummy and the club acknowledging he is playing sore, why did he even go?

McGovern get crunched and flops like he is dead, sub him out.

Yeo also acknowledged as sore and unable to string games together, not sure why even out there?

Surely if you are worried about club culture then you would have kept them back for the final game, with a big crowd and give a ripping, appropriate send off to retiring greats?

Also not sure beating Bullies wipes away the 31.19 (205) to 5.4 (34) drubbing at the hands of Sydney, the 100 odd point loss to the Dockers, Hawks... etc etc.

Have to think Simmo knows he was going at the end of this season and it was an FU to the Eagles.

Because if he is coaching next year and we are still shite and Reid is cutting sick, he's going to get asked about if every week by the media (and us).

 

[pessimisticoptimist]

Harley Reid is locked for WCE.
Take it to the bank.
Laugh at Vic centric commentary

this aged well

 

[Obeanie1]

You do realise that Naughton is off contract at the end of 2024 but not a RFA as he will only be 7 years post draft. English is the RFA - drafted in 2016 and reached 8 years.

I fear for the club who trades for Naughton and forks out big dollars on a long contract.

Its how he plays. He does kamakazi marking attempts every quarter and lands hard. He plays an intense bash and crash game style. Something will break at some point.