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Daniltchenko You Beauty said:
If West Coast are giving up #1 it's because they don't think they can hold Reid. We shouldn't need to give up any more than the Port pick.
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I wouldn't give up anything. Just sit back and let them squirm.
 
Better Loosen Up said:
I wouldn't give up anything. Just sit back and let them squirm.
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Agree to making them squirm although they prob know we aren't taking curtin. But the reason they potentially are trading out of Reid is more because the position they are in would prefer 2 in the top six than number 1 irrelevant of how good he is...


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I wouldn't give up anything. Just sit back and let them squirm.
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i honestly wouldnt care if they took reid, we take curtain and next best available, sure he is talked up like the potentual number 1 is every year, and even is he turns out to be as good as natahan buckly, ( and thats no mean feat) how many flags dod bucks win?? get 2 potentual A graders to compliment our already highly potential mid.
 
Obsessing over draft value bugs me a litte. During the mega trade last year ppl were upset that we lost a former number 1 in JHF and the #1 pick in return for "only" 2, 3 & 16.

They're literally made up numbers to help reference. The reality is we gave up a dud and cadman, but gained wardlaw, sheezel, & 16.

Don't stress about point value. Just focus and compare on the players the trade will get you.

Made easy by the fact that the top 5 is usually set. Which means you're not really trading picks, you're already trading players.
 
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Obsessing over draft value bugs me a litte. During the mega trade last year ppl were upset that we lost a former number 1 in JHF and the #1 pick in return for "only" 2, 3 & 16.

They're literally made up numbers to help reference. The reality is we gave up dud and cadman, but gained wardlaw, sheezel, & 16.

Don't stress about point value. Just focus and compare on the players the trade will get you.

Made easy by the fact that the top 5 is usually set. Which means you're not really trading picks, you're already trading players.
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excellent observation.

The addition of a points value for trades has been good in some respects as it's probably meant that more trades have been pushed through but it has also meant that commentators and supporters have become more hung up about outcome and perceived wins and losses.

I think last years's trade out come was more a decent outcome and i look forward to 10 years of watching Harry and George dominating games together.
 
Merlin007 said:
Absolutely, I agree but with nothing to trade they’ll be down a long time, which is why they might be open to offers to split 1; I don’t suggest you’d sell the farm but you’d have to have a conversation
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Agree think they will be more than open to split one... and get two top enders just with the proviso that they don't lose curtin as one of those two... which in theory means involving us but I'm not sure we would take curtin at two...


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Rod Stroker said:
We were having a crack at Port for bringing in meh players such as Zerk Thatcher, Esava, Sweet, etc. But I'm not sure we're doing much better with the likes of Clark and Stephens?
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They’re topping up to win a flag with a dud coach and they have NO draft picks. None. We have multiple high end selections to make and desperately need a few more mature B and C graders to support the kids. Completely different.

Also, to reiterate, we have Clarkson and they have Hinkley.
 

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There had been an expectation the rookie list extension would be wound back at the end of this season, however there is now a view it could be continued into next year.


Currently North Melbourne holds picks No.2, 16 (tied to Port Adelaide), 39, 53 (tied to Melbourne) and 59, but is set to land Swan Dylan Stephens, who on Thursday told Sydney he would be exploring a trade, and is also in pole position to trade in Carlton's Zac Fisher. Being given more picks to do those deals, while also protecting their current draft hand, would be another option.

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Extra picks, draft help, NGA boost: How the AFL could assist North

North Melbourne delegates this week met with the AFL to put forward their case after a lean few years
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Extra picks, draft help, NGA boost: How the AFL could assist North​


Callum Twomey




ANOTHER top-five pick, multiple early selections, draft choices spread out over two years, extra picks but with caveats on them, access to a gun player in this year's draft, more list spots.

They are all the possibilities the AFL will have to consider – some more likely than others – when the League's executive makes a decision on its recommendation after North Melbourne's pitch for an assistance package. The recommendation will then be sent to the AFL Commission to decide when it meets at the start of Grand Final week.

The Kangaroos' delegation, including chief executive Jen Watt, football manager Todd Viney and strategy boss James Gallagher, met with the AFL on Tuesday to put forward their case for help after winning just 12 of their past 84 games since the end of 2019.

The numbers stack up against other cases of AFL assistance seen in previous seasons, including the Gold Coast's handout in 2019 which saw them land a number of strands to their assistance, including the No.1 pick (Matt Rowell), Academy provisions, a larger list and pre-listing of players.

What the AFL decides – or decides not – to grant the Kangaroos will be trade and draft-shaping.

Another pick after their first selection (unrelated to the possible Ben McKay free agency compensation pick) would be the highest measure but is not considered to be on the table, with the AFL largely shying away from handing out picks at that stage of the draft since the disbanding of priority picks.

Last year's assistance model saw them get given future second- and third-round picks under the criteria they must be used to trade for players. North landed Fremantle pair Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker with the choices. The Roos were also granted extra rookie list spots to allow them to bring in experienced players around their younger list.

There had been an expectation the rookie list extension would be wound back at the end of this season, however there is now a view it could be continued into next year.

There are more ways the AFL could look at assistance for the Roos. Multiple picks later in the first round or second round could be a consideration, as may be providing picks again with the caveat they needed to be used on trades.

Currently North Melbourne holds picks No.2, 16 (tied to Port Adelaide), 39, 53 (tied to Melbourne) and 59, but is set to land Swan Dylan Stephens, who on Thursday told Sydney he would be exploring a trade, and is also in pole position to trade in Carlton's Zac Fisher. Being given more picks to do those deals, while also protecting their current draft hand, would be another option.

Staggering draft selections over multiple years, as the Suns were afforded across 2019-21, is another lever that could be pulled among the host of mechanisms that have been discussed through ongoing dialogue between the Roos and League in recent months.
In considering North's request for assistance, the AFL will be walking the fine line of making one club more competitive while attempting not to adversely impact other clubs around it.

It is why there has been a strong reaction from rivals to the Roos' hopes of gaining priority access to gun midfield talent and Larke Medallist Ryley Sanders as part of their push.

Sanders, who has an Indigenous background, is yet to be added to the AFL's Next Generation Academy list. Under NGA rules, clubs can't match bids on prospects inside the first 40 picks of the draft, but there has been a view that the Roos could be given access to match a bid at any point for Sanders as part of their assistance package.

However, with just over a week to go before the AFL Commission meets, there is a growing feel among rivals that Sanders, a certain top-10 pick, will more likely be in the open pool.

North's place within the Next Generation Academy is part of a bigger conversation, with Tasmania currently zoned to the club. But with the Tasmanian AFL licence granted earlier this season, the state will be expected to be developed as its own academy, with the Roos' next zone within the NGA system a part of a wider review currently being undertaken by the AFL on that part of the pathway.

After a bottom-two finish for the fourth straight year, the Roos' trade and draft moves this off-season will be shaped by two calls: McKay's decision and the forthcoming compensation, and the AFL's assistance decision.
 
giantroo said:
North's place within the Next Generation Academy is part of a bigger conversation, with Tasmania currently zoned to the club
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giantroo said:
Sanders, who has an Indigenous background, is yet to be added to the AFL's Next Generation Academy list.
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I speak 9 languages but I don't understand this
 
giantroo said:
There had been an expectation the rookie list extension would be wound back at the end of this season, however there is now a view it could be continued into next year.


Currently North Melbourne holds picks No.2, 16 (tied to Port Adelaide), 39, 53 (tied to Melbourne) and 59, but is set to land Swan Dylan Stephens, who on Thursday told Sydney he would be exploring a trade, and is also in pole position to trade in Carlton's Zac Fisher. Being given more picks to do those deals, while also protecting their current draft hand, would be another option.

www.afl.com.au

Extra picks, draft help, NGA boost: How the AFL could assist North

North Melbourne delegates this week met with the AFL to put forward their case after a lean few years
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au


Extra picks, draft help, NGA boost: How the AFL could assist North​


Callum Twomey




ANOTHER top-five pick, multiple early selections, draft choices spread out over two years, extra picks but with caveats on them, access to a gun player in this year's draft, more list spots.

They are all the possibilities the AFL will have to consider – some more likely than others – when the League's executive makes a decision on its recommendation after North Melbourne's pitch for an assistance package. The recommendation will then be sent to the AFL Commission to decide when it meets at the start of Grand Final week.

The Kangaroos' delegation, including chief executive Jen Watt, football manager Todd Viney and strategy boss James Gallagher, met with the AFL on Tuesday to put forward their case for help after winning just 12 of their past 84 games since the end of 2019.

The numbers stack up against other cases of AFL assistance seen in previous seasons, including the Gold Coast's handout in 2019 which saw them land a number of strands to their assistance, including the No.1 pick (Matt Rowell), Academy provisions, a larger list and pre-listing of players.

What the AFL decides – or decides not – to grant the Kangaroos will be trade and draft-shaping.

Another pick after their first selection (unrelated to the possible Ben McKay free agency compensation pick) would be the highest measure but is not considered to be on the table, with the AFL largely shying away from handing out picks at that stage of the draft since the disbanding of priority picks.

Last year's assistance model saw them get given future second- and third-round picks under the criteria they must be used to trade for players. North landed Fremantle pair Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker with the choices. The Roos were also granted extra rookie list spots to allow them to bring in experienced players around their younger list.

There had been an expectation the rookie list extension would be wound back at the end of this season, however there is now a view it could be continued into next year.

There are more ways the AFL could look at assistance for the Roos. Multiple picks later in the first round or second round could be a consideration, as may be providing picks again with the caveat they needed to be used on trades.

Currently North Melbourne holds picks No.2, 16 (tied to Port Adelaide), 39, 53 (tied to Melbourne) and 59, but is set to land Swan Dylan Stephens, who on Thursday told Sydney he would be exploring a trade, and is also in pole position to trade in Carlton's Zac Fisher. Being given more picks to do those deals, while also protecting their current draft hand, would be another option.

Staggering draft selections over multiple years, as the Suns were afforded across 2019-21, is another lever that could be pulled among the host of mechanisms that have been discussed through ongoing dialogue between the Roos and League in recent months.
In considering North's request for assistance, the AFL will be walking the fine line of making one club more competitive while attempting not to adversely impact other clubs around it.

It is why there has been a strong reaction from rivals to the Roos' hopes of gaining priority access to gun midfield talent and Larke Medallist Ryley Sanders as part of their push.

Sanders, who has an Indigenous background, is yet to be added to the AFL's Next Generation Academy list. Under NGA rules, clubs can't match bids on prospects inside the first 40 picks of the draft, but there has been a view that the Roos could be given access to match a bid at any point for Sanders as part of their assistance package.

However, with just over a week to go before the AFL Commission meets, there is a growing feel among rivals that Sanders, a certain top-10 pick, will more likely be in the open pool.

North's place within the Next Generation Academy is part of a bigger conversation, with Tasmania currently zoned to the club. But with the Tasmanian AFL licence granted earlier this season, the state will be expected to be developed as its own academy, with the Roos' next zone within the NGA system a part of a wider review currently being undertaken by the AFL on that part of the pathway.

After a bottom-two finish for the fourth straight year, the Roos' trade and draft moves this off-season will be shaped by two calls: McKay's decision and the forthcoming compensation, and the AFL's assistance decision.
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Sigh, the “fine line” of not disadvantaging other clubs that hasn’t been much of an issue until now.

I‘ve decided there’s no point trying to guess how this will go or investing energy in anyone else’s guesses. Time will tell.
 



Trade wrap: Saint’s next move, Crows baulk at McAdam to Dees​


Jon Ralph




Hunter Clark is moving towards a new deal at St Kilda despite last year’s aborted trade.

The Saints were happy to trade him to North Melbourne when they were in the race for Jordan De Goey to clear cap space, but kept him when the Pies free agent re-signed.

But after a solid season dodging the major injury issues that have plagued his career negotiations are continuing for a new deal.

He has been on excellent money as a top-10 draft pick finishing his sixth season, but a new deal will allow him to continue his resurgence after a career-high 19 games this year.

St Kilda delisted Jack Bytel, Leo Connolly, Jack Peris and Oscar Adams during the week, with Jack Billings contracted but having only modest interest from rivals.

If he did leave it would likely be for a very late pick given his $1 million of salary due in the next two years, unless the Saints picked up some of that tab.

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SYDNEY is still in the race for free agent Ben McKay but has locked away defender Lewis Melican on a new one-year deal as it shores up its back six.

The talented Melican battled hamstring issues again this season but returned for the final against Carlton in a sign of how much the club values him.

The Swans held up well against Carlton’s talented forward line and while they are keen on McKay there is a feeling Essendon’s significant offer has put them behind in the race.

This masthead reported this week Essendon had emerged as the favourite given their willingness to pay him a significant amount on a long-term deal to help ease their defensive woes.

If they miss out on McKay there are other options on the trade table including St Kilda’s Dougal Howard but in Tom McCartin, Dayne Rampe and Melican they could hold up for another season.

Sydney had an offer on the table for most of the season for the departing Dylan Stephens, who was a No. 5 draft pick but has played only 43 games in four years at the Swans.

He is set to arrive at North Melbourne for an improved long-term offer.

North Melbourne is keen to find another wingman but Stephens did only average 13 possessions and ranked below average for disposals, clearances and scoreboard impact and average for kicking and metres gained.

Against the Roos in round 10 he had only nine possessions in 85 minutes of game time so North Melbourne clearly believe he has significant upside.
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ADELAIDE has no interest in trading Shane McAdam for Demons depth players James Harmes or Adam Tomlinson given their hefty salaries.

McAdam wants to be traded only to the Demons, having knocked back a three-year deal from the Crows.

The Crows would be interested in a trade for a player given they already have three top-23 draft picks — their own first-rounder and second-rounders linked to North Melbourne (pick 20) and Gold Coast (pick 23).

So the Crows might eventually settle on a Demons player of interest but despite needing key defensive depth they aren’t a taker for Tomlinson.

He has one more year left on a deal worth over $500,000, while Harmes will be in the final season of a five-year extension signed when he finished fourth in the best-and-fairest.

Expect the Crows to play hard ball given McAdam is a point-of-difference forward who finished seventh in the club’s best-and-fairest in 2020 and 2022.

ADELAIDE defender Tom Doedee is seriously considering a long-term deal from Brisbane as the Crows prepare for him to have medical tests with rival clubs as they assess his ruptured ACL.

This mastheads revealed last month the Crows had pulled a long-term free agency deal after Doedee’s ACL tear then replaced it with a significantly reduced deal.

Clubs like Brisbane are keen but given he tore his ACL in round 12 would want to be confident he could return early next year to make an impact in the 2024 season.

Adelaide is searching for key backs and has some interest in the delisted Tim O’Brien as well as Suns tall Chris Burgess, who can play back despite kicking 51 goals in 17 home-and-away games in the VFL.

But Adelaide have clearly offered Doedee a deal he can well and truly refuse as he looks for long-term certainty.

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ESSENDON is still making mid-season pick Massimo D’Ambrosio sweat on a new deal after turning him into a super sub in the second half of the season.

The swift left-footer played eight games for the year but in round 9 was subbed out after nine disposals.

In his four games after that contest he played 29 minutes, 22 minutes, 33 minutes and 16 minutes.

So while the Dons signed Jy Menzie this week he will have to wait alongside Patrick Voss, a strong-bodied forward who impressed in the VFL but didn’t get a senior game.

HAWTHORN has offered 23-year-old forward Jacob Koschitzke another deal as it considers the future of Fergus Greene, Jai Serong, Emerson Jeka and Ned Long.

The Hawks could consider offers for top-10 pick Denver Grainger-Barras and will trade Tyler Brockman to West Coast.

But with Mitch Lewis battling ACL damage then a mid-foot sprain it was apparent how bereft their forward line was at times when their key forward was missing.

So while Koschitzke only kicked nine goals in 12 games — much quieter than his breakout 2021 season kicking 27 goals from 20 games — he is a required player.

No word yet on whether rivals have interest but there is a clear chance for him to establish himself as the foil to Lewis.

The Hawks are still in the race for North Melbourne free agent Ben McKay, and have Josh Morris and Lachie Bramble uncontracted alongside Green, Serong, Long and Jeka.

Greene kicked 15 goals in 10 games so would be hopeful of another one-year deal, while Jeka was a much-hyped forward but after being trialled as a key back late in 2022 didn’t play a senior game this year.


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DEV Robertson’s strong form in the back half of the season has him more likely to remain with the Lions on a new deal.

Brisbane mid-forward Robertson has interest from West Coast in a year in which he went viral after his scrap with Pies rivals saw him running around shirtless for several minutes.

Robertson is seen as extremely loyal to the Lions and enjoys Brisbane so while he is undecided he is favouring signing a new one or two-year deal.

Brisbane has an array of young midfield talent only set to improve next year when Will Ashcroft’s brother Levi joins the club as a father-son.

But it would be hard to leave perennial contenders Brisbane for the hapless Eagles.


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NEW Gold Coast coach Damien Hardwick will watch the club’s VFL preliminary final this weekend as Mabior Chol, Jeremy Sharp and Chris Burgess consider their futures.

Wingman Sharp was on the outer with Stuart Dew, with Chol contracted and keen to stay as another player who was not a huge fan of the former coach given he had been pushed out of the side.

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So Sharp will hope to make every post a winner in the VFL preliminary final against the Box Hill Hawks on the Gold Coast to secure a new deal.

Talent spotters say the pipeline of talent set to flow from the Suns’ academy won’t stop at the four players who could be taken within pick 30 this year.

The AFL Under-16 academy series this year on the Gold Coast featuring players eligible for the 2025 draft had at least four Suns players who look to be elite talents.
 
giantroo said:
There had been an expectation the rookie list extension would be wound back at the end of this season, however there is now a view it could be continued into next year.


Currently North Melbourne holds picks No.2, 16 (tied to Port Adelaide), 39, 53 (tied to Melbourne) and 59, but is set to land Swan Dylan Stephens, who on Thursday told Sydney he would be exploring a trade, and is also in pole position to trade in Carlton's Zac Fisher. Being given more picks to do those deals, while also protecting their current draft hand, would be another option.

www.afl.com.au

Extra picks, draft help, NGA boost: How the AFL could assist North

North Melbourne delegates this week met with the AFL to put forward their case after a lean few years
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au


Extra picks, draft help, NGA boost: How the AFL could assist North​


Callum Twomey




ANOTHER top-five pick, multiple early selections, draft choices spread out over two years, extra picks but with caveats on them, access to a gun player in this year's draft, more list spots.

They are all the possibilities the AFL will have to consider – some more likely than others – when the League's executive makes a decision on its recommendation after North Melbourne's pitch for an assistance package. The recommendation will then be sent to the AFL Commission to decide when it meets at the start of Grand Final week.

The Kangaroos' delegation, including chief executive Jen Watt, football manager Todd Viney and strategy boss James Gallagher, met with the AFL on Tuesday to put forward their case for help after winning just 12 of their past 84 games since the end of 2019.

The numbers stack up against other cases of AFL assistance seen in previous seasons, including the Gold Coast's handout in 2019 which saw them land a number of strands to their assistance, including the No.1 pick (Matt Rowell), Academy provisions, a larger list and pre-listing of players.

What the AFL decides – or decides not – to grant the Kangaroos will be trade and draft-shaping.

Another pick after their first selection (unrelated to the possible Ben McKay free agency compensation pick) would be the highest measure but is not considered to be on the table, with the AFL largely shying away from handing out picks at that stage of the draft since the disbanding of priority picks.

Last year's assistance model saw them get given future second- and third-round picks under the criteria they must be used to trade for players. North landed Fremantle pair Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker with the choices. The Roos were also granted extra rookie list spots to allow them to bring in experienced players around their younger list.

There had been an expectation the rookie list extension would be wound back at the end of this season, however there is now a view it could be continued into next year.

There are more ways the AFL could look at assistance for the Roos. Multiple picks later in the first round or second round could be a consideration, as may be providing picks again with the caveat they needed to be used on trades.

Currently North Melbourne holds picks No.2, 16 (tied to Port Adelaide), 39, 53 (tied to Melbourne) and 59, but is set to land Swan Dylan Stephens, who on Thursday told Sydney he would be exploring a trade, and is also in pole position to trade in Carlton's Zac Fisher. Being given more picks to do those deals, while also protecting their current draft hand, would be another option.

Staggering draft selections over multiple years, as the Suns were afforded across 2019-21, is another lever that could be pulled among the host of mechanisms that have been discussed through ongoing dialogue between the Roos and League in recent months.
In considering North's request for assistance, the AFL will be walking the fine line of making one club more competitive while attempting not to adversely impact other clubs around it.

It is why there has been a strong reaction from rivals to the Roos' hopes of gaining priority access to gun midfield talent and Larke Medallist Ryley Sanders as part of their push.

Sanders, who has an Indigenous background, is yet to be added to the AFL's Next Generation Academy list. Under NGA rules, clubs can't match bids on prospects inside the first 40 picks of the draft, but there has been a view that the Roos could be given access to match a bid at any point for Sanders as part of their assistance package.

However, with just over a week to go before the AFL Commission meets, there is a growing feel among rivals that Sanders, a certain top-10 pick, will more likely be in the open pool.

North's place within the Next Generation Academy is part of a bigger conversation, with Tasmania currently zoned to the club. But with the Tasmanian AFL licence granted earlier this season, the state will be expected to be developed as its own academy, with the Roos' next zone within the NGA system a part of a wider review currently being undertaken by the AFL on that part of the pathway.

After a bottom-two finish for the fourth straight year, the Roos' trade and draft moves this off-season will be shaped by two calls: McKay's decision and the forthcoming compensation, and the AFL's assistance decision.
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I hope our delegation at that AFL meeting strongly reinforced their view that the McKay compensation has absolutely nothing to do with the assistance package we are requesting. We have the worst defence in the AFL and are losing our only decent big bodied key position defender who apparently is good enough to be chased by at least three other clubs. We've won 10 of our last 81 games FFS! They need to come up with something far more substantial than the crappy 2022 package.
 
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