I reckon he could be a great pick up. Fits our list requirements, and could be one of those players who'll thrive at a bigger club with more support. Definitely has some x factor when he's up and about.
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I reckon he could be a great pick up. Fits our list requirements, and could be one of those players who'll thrive at a bigger club with more support. Definitely has some x factor when he's up and about.
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Has real talent. Only 21 and I reckon under our culture would thrive. Can play HF, Wing or HB and knows where the goals are
Good profile to add to our list
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I'm using my gut instincts not deductive reasoning. However, as you say, each to their own.
We're getting donuts for Dow. Fisher maybe pick 39 (currently).
If there is a market for Hollands GC would be expecting better than pick 39. Hollands was pick 7 and missed his first season with an ACL recovery. They would want minimum a pick in the 20s, and they'll get it. Keep in mind he is contracted.
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Then I hope they don't get it from us. Why are people so keen to talk up the trade value of our trade targets? Does it magically makes them better players if we have to give up a premium?
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I was keener on Hollands last year than this year, he's looked a genuine plodder when seen at AFL level this season - Could be injury or personal issues but I'll back in Austin though who's record has been fantastic since arriving. Wouldn't be happy spending any more than a 2nd rounder on him though.
Pick 39 is about Hollands value some on here really are overvalued his worth, basing it on his draft position, he has not done alot at afl level.
Fisher is also contracted, and has a 5 year offer from North.
Nobody is giving Elijah Hollands 5 years.
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His stats don't really fill me with confidence, what's his story?? limited game time. what'll he bring and who does he play like??
You mentioned interest in the Suns pick, probably more chance with GWS who have two picks in the 1st round.
Not certain if we would be willing to package this year's & next year's 1st to do a deal with them.
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Regardless, if we have two father sons next year who both might be around a second round pick, we would be wanting to have our F2.
In 2022 and 2021 the longest the second round has gone to is 39, to suggest the second round could go to 50 is a bit fanciful to be honest.
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Keeping in mind GC have supposedly told him to explore his options and want his contract off the books, meaning he doesn’t have to accept a trade anywhere he doesn’t want to go.
If he chooses Carlton, GC dont really have any leverage as they are the ones looking to move the player on.
It's definitely something that could work in our favour if it's true. With the academy boys they've got coming in this year and 2024, they may be keen to get him off the books.
Having said that, I don't care if we end up paying 'overs' if our list management team are keen to get him across. I rate Stephen Wells as the best list manager over the past 20 years - who's always had the philosophy that sometimes you have to pay overs to get the player you want, because you don't have to 'win' every trade.
I'm not talking about giving up two 1st rounders or anything ridiculous, but if we rate him, then do what it takes to get him over.
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I could ultimately live with it in isolation but I see it as potentially getting in the way of an attempt to get a second pick in this years top 30 or so, which would be my priority. I don't think Hollands was ever realistically a 'top 3' talent and most attempts and trading for players with 'baggage' (injury/form) have proven to be disappointments.
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The beauty of it us that we can genuinely find out why he hasn't lived up to his potential rating from Ollie. Clearly he will try and look after his brother a bit I'm sure that we can find out what's gone wrong for him at the suns.
Could be injury/homesickness/poor coaching- if so a big yes. If its just purely a lack of effort then no.
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Not necessarily. We may be able to match bids with third rounders, so cashing in the second rounder a year early for a player we like isn't a bad deal.
Agree that the suggestion that out second rounder could be in the 40s is off the mark, though. If there's a bunch of academy kids rated early, it's more likely that their associated clubs match bids with multiple picks in the 15-35 range and our pick comes in slightly (ie. Pick 36 becomes Pick 33).
Ultimately, there's also the option for trading again next year. If we need an extra late second or early third, we can just flip a 2025 pick for it, or offload another fringe player.
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Just with E Hollands and GC, how much do GC have to move some players off their list?
I'm guessing GC with current picks 4, 28, 34, 42, 56, 60, 65, 68, 78, plus other players coming in (maybe wanting to go to GC because of the Hardwick factor, etc), GC will have to move some players.
I'm guessing GC with current picks 4, 28, 34, 42, 56, 60, 65, 68, 78, plus other players coming in (maybe wanting to go to GC because of the Hardwick factor, etc), GC will have to move some players.
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It's more that they have 3 of the best 15? Kids in this draft tied to them from their academy. One of them (jed Walter ) would probably go at 2 - think Charlie curnow with a bit more mongrel
They want points desperately so 4 will go to whoever gives them the best deal on points. Doubt that it's us.
They probably dont want to keep players on their books that are on reasonable salaries but not entrenched in their senior team ( a la Dow & Fisher).
The key to us is to find out why a player that looked a million bucks approaching the draft (Holands) is playing like a beat up Datsun and whether we can fix it.
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Maybe he is an under-appreciated 240Z Z432R...
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Enough examples of players who didn’t flourish at Gold Coast who left and then became stars, if we like what we see and the numbers make sense we should def bring him in.
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Very good if true.
I think it is crazy that a club could offer a contracted AFL quality player a 5 year deal on good money and then expect to trade a nothing pick at the end of the draft to get them.
I will be disappointed if we roll over. Push for North’s future 2nd. Flip it for Hollands and develop him into the player he projected to become.
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