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the big lebowski said:
“Injured”
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Was interesting hearing a Melbourne supporter talk about the rumors today. I for one hope they are crap, for his welfare, but does not bode well for a big haul if traded.
 

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FlyHigh18 said:
Narrative: “Clubs looking to prise Clayton out of Melbourne”

Reality: Melbourne shopping around an injured player.

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Melbourne going after Reid makes so much more sense now,
I was wondering why the hell the Dees were so desperate for Reid, when they’ve got Pettraca, Oliver and Viney.
He’s exactly the same they’ve already got, so strange to sell the farm for, especially when they’ve got big holes in other areas. Ie a key forward and leg speed around the ground.
 
Maybe it's me still suffering from Post Polec Syndrome, but I have no interest in these blokes who move, and then move again. Dougal Howard, Hamling, Chol, Marchbank. They can all GAGF.
 
gustaaf said:
I get the impression that the media and some BF members are of the opinion that North should be the one pushing for a trade with WC to secure Reid rather than the other way around. Given that WC have a massive rebuild ahead of them, I think the onus is on them to bring in additional first round draft picks to accelerate their rebuild. Reid might be good, but it is doubtful he'll make a massive difference on his own. I think we will be fine no matter how it pans out because of our strong draft hand. I'd rather we wait for WC to come to us so that we can do a deal with which we believe we can improve our draft outcome. We should have the upper hand in those negotiations.
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If they go as is they’ll have one and about 25 this year and let’s say something similar next year.
That’s not how you rebuild, they need more picks.
In saying that I still think we need to get on the front foot if we’ve decided Reid is one we want.


I just hope we are prepared to walk away if other clubs are prepared to offer more.
 
Going to cop backlash on this

North should be all IN on Clayton Oliver.
  • A+ Grader
  • Best mates with Simpkin
  • instantly makes us better by 4-5 goals
  • aged 26- we don’t have anyone good above 25 and it is a massive hole.

We have the currency to get a deal done and get him out of Melbourne. A+ graders don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s highly unlikely he leaves Melbourne for North, however as saw with Neale to Brisbane; anything is possible and it is worth trying.

Please don’t tell me how good our midfield is and how we have midfielders, Clarry Is panels ahead of all of them.
 

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footy2016 said:
Going to cop backlash on this

North should be all IN on Clayton Oliver.
  • A+ Grader
  • Best mates with Simpkin
  • instantly makes us better by 4-5 goals
  • aged 26- we don’t have anyone good above 25 and it is a massive hole.

We have the currency to get a deal done and get him out of Melbourne. A+ graders don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s highly unlikely he leaves Melbourne for North, however as saw with Neale to Brisbane; anything is possible and it is worth trying.

Please don’t tell me how good our midfield is and how we have midfielders, Clarry Is panels ahead of all of them.
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if the rumours are true, and you really gotta wonder why melbourne would be shopping around an A+ grader with a 7 year contract while they are contending, then no
 
footy2016 said:
Going to cop backlash on this

North should be all IN on Clayton Oliver.
  • A+ Grader
  • Best mates with Simpkin
  • instantly makes us better by 4-5 goals
  • aged 26- we don’t have anyone good above 25 and it is a massive hole.

We have the currency to get a deal done and get him out of Melbourne. A+ graders don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s highly unlikely he leaves Melbourne for North, however as saw with Neale to Brisbane; anything is possible and it is worth trying.

Please don’t tell me how good our midfield is and how we have midfielders, Clarry Is panels ahead of all of them.
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No backlash here, but we shouldn’t give up too much. It’s a bit of a combo gun player and salary dump situation.
It’s a long contract even if we frontload it.
 
Sillygit said:
if the rumours are true, and you really gotta wonder why melbourne would be shopping around an A+ grader with a 7 year contract while they are contending, then no
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We do due diligence. If they are true then you stay away. There could be a variety of reasons he is gettable

Salary cap- they have about 6 blokes on ridiculous coin.

Need to get Youth in and also the need for talls. They had 8 weeks without Clarry and they fared well.
 
footy2016 said:
instantly makes us better by 4-5 goals
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So you're saying if we had Oliver this year, we would've won 14 games on account of the fact that we lost 11 games by 5 goals or less?
 
footy2016 said:
Going to cop backlash on this

North should be all IN on Clayton Oliver.
  • A+ Grader
  • Best mates with Simpkin
  • instantly makes us better by 4-5 goals
  • aged 26- we don’t have anyone good above 25 and it is a massive hole.

We have the currency to get a deal done and get him out of Melbourne. A+ graders don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s highly unlikely he leaves Melbourne for North, however as saw with Neale to Brisbane; anything is possible and it is worth trying.

Please don’t tell me how good our midfield is and how we have midfielders, Clarry Is panels ahead of all of them.
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It’s not dumb at all but may be a year out. I think tracking the way the Lions did makes sense, this should be the last real draft and then next year we hit the Neale deal. Then our drafts should be to fill need, jumping on your small forwards, uniques etc whilst trading and hitting free agency with finesse.
 
Hmm, the cray-cray Clarry yarn has been picked up by the age too.

Operation Oliver: Clubs believe Melbourne star could be available​

By Michael Gleeson, Peter Ryan and Andrew Wu​

October 3, 2023 — 8.14pm

Clubs are exploring how they could put together a deal to persuade Melbourne to part with one of the best players in the competition, acting in the belief that Clayton Oliver could be available in this year’s trade period for the right deal.
Melbourne sources dead-batted queries over Oliver’s future, pointing to the seven-year contract he signed only last season worth about $1 million a year to remain at the club until 2030. However, a source familiar with the 26-year-old midfielder’s situation said the Demons were prepared to explore what clubs would offer.
[PLAYERCARD]Clayton Oliver[/PLAYERCARD] is one of the best players in the competition.

Clayton Oliver is one of the best players in the competition. CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

The Demons, currently with pick five in the draft (tied to Fremantle from the Luke Jackson trade) as well as their own pick 13, are keen to get deep into the draft. The possibility of Oliver being available - and sources stressed that Melbourne were not pushing him out the door - has prompted clubs to assess their own salary cap, the suitability of Oliver for their club, and what a trade would require in draft pick terms.
The trade period, which starts on Monday, already looms as a busy one for Melbourne, who have been asked to negotiate with Sydney over a trade for ruckman Brodie Grundy, who they only secured 12 months ago on an expensive long-term deal from Collingwood.

James Jordon will also depart the club for the Swans as an unrestricted free agent, while James Harmes is seeking a fresh start.
This masthead spoke to several clubs about Oliver, two of which said they were doing their due diligence on the premiership midfielder. Other club sources who wanted to remain anonymous said they would find it impossible, despite his talent, to fit him into their salary cap or did not see him as the right fit.
Oliver was a star in Melbourne’s 2021 premiership, but he had a tough season after he hurt his hamstring in round 10 and then spent time in hospital with an infection. He ended up missing two months of football, and was involved in what appeared to be heated exchange with a Melbourne official on the training track while trying to prove his fitness, before returning to the team in round 22.
Oliver’s management company declined to comment on his future.

Harmes, meantime, has told the Demons he wants a fresh start, and has the club’s blessing to talk to rival clubs.
He has a year left on his contract and is yet to formally request a trade as he canvases potential new homes, but said he and his fiancee were open to a move interstate if required.
Melbourne midfielder [PLAYERCARD]James Harmes[/PLAYERCARD] is after a fresh start.

Melbourne midfielder James Harmes is after a fresh start.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

“It’s all up in the air,” Harmes said at the TAB’s Spring Fling event to launch this year’s spring racing carnival.
A member of the Demons’ drought-breaking premiership team in 2021, Harmes was limited to just nine of 25 games this year, three of them starting as the sub, and missed the finals with a hamstring injury.

“This year was pretty hard for me, personally,” Harmes said. “I said to the club I’d be interested in having a fresh start.
“[I’m] just really looking forward to putting my best foot forward next year, whether that’s [with] Melbourne or wherever it is – I’ve got a real determination to go back as fit as I can and play some really good footy.”
Harmes said coach Simon Goodwin and the Demons’ list boss Tim Lamb were happy for him to shop around.
Despite working closely with former midfield coach Adem Yze, who has taken the top job at Richmond, Harmes said his manager had not spoken to the Tigers.
 
Makeshift Park said:
I'll be puzzled if we don't go for Dougal Howard. He's practically being pushed out the door.
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Maybe we can’t get past that time he lay on the bed eating an apple and said he had chosen St Kilda.
 
see see said:
So you're saying if we had Oliver this year, we would've won 14 games on account of the fact that we lost 11 games by 5 goals or less?
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No, but I reckon we would have won 3 more games with him.

Point is he instantly makes us improve and not to mention how well he compliments Ldu…..
 
footy2016 said:
Going to cop backlash on this

North should be all IN on Clayton Oliver.
  • A+ Grader
  • Best mates with Simpkin
  • instantly makes us better by 4-5 goals
  • aged 26- we don’t have anyone good above 25 and it is a massive hole.

We have the currency to get a deal done and get him out of Melbourne. A+ graders don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s highly unlikely he leaves Melbourne for North, however as saw with Neale to Brisbane; anything is possible and it is worth trying.

Please don’t tell me how good our midfield is and how we have midfielders, Clarry Is panels ahead of all of them.
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Going to cop backlash on this but he gets a lot of it but doesn’t use it well. If we were to give up high draft picks I’d want it to be for someone with better efficency.
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My Left Foote said:
Going to cop backlash on this but he gets a lot of it but doesn’t use it well. If we were to give up high draft picks I’d want it to be for someone with better efficency.
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What do you want from a guy that’s been kicking to Ben Brown for three years?
 
 
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