List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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WCE_Phill said:
This is the funny thing about the media & big footy

Harley Ried played 3 VFL games & averaged 19 disposals, 5 tackles and had 1 scoring shot

Clay Hall played 9 WAFL games & averaged 18 disposals, 3 tackles and had 9 scoring shots (4.5)

There 3 weeks apart in age & yet.

  • HR is talked as the 2nd coming of god
  • Clay Hall is some vanilla pick
Admittily, I never watch any games and only highlights on youtube. I'm also not saying Hall is as good or will be a good.

But lets put things into perspective & trust the people that do this for a living.

I do get the feeling that HR is touted so highly mainly due to developing earlier compared to his peers, def warming to splitting pick 1 provided pick 2 is involved.
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Don't compare the VFL to the WAFL. They're no longer comparable. VFL streets ahead in quality.

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Carbine Chaos said:
It seems in vogue for our fans to suggest shifting struggling ruckmen to KPD haha.

I'd have to see a lot more intent in Harry's playstyle to suggest he could get close to being a KPD prospect. Put a line through Jamieson for the same reason.

Very harsh call on Barnett above but after how highly touted he came into the club, his first year left me a little wanting tbh.
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A first year ruck who didn't have a pre-season playing at the beagles didn't live up to pre draft hype .

We should have just Delisted him an be done with it . 🙄
 
Wooshaaaa said:
Don't compare the VFL to the WAFL. They're no longer comparable. VFL streets ahead in quality.

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The frustrating thing is that the VFL is attracting the best national players due to three factors:
1. Higher level competition, which is self-fulfilling due to itself and points 2 & 3.
2. Corruption in Vic where a VFL player is paid by an additional company for a "consulting" role in addition to their VFL salary.
3. Vic-centric AFL recruitment. Box Hill alone would have had more state-to-national stories over the last 5 years than the entire WAFL.

Why would you stay in WA or SA if you could be paid 150k more to move to Vic and simultaneously improve your odds of getting picked up in the MSD?

It is nauseating to live in Vic as a non-Vic.
 
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Whipping boy potential taking Hall with our 2nd rather than our 3rd pick, given who could still be on the board at our 2nd selection.

I much prefer Hall with 37, but I acknowledge if the club "reached" for him at 27 or whatever, at least you could walk away from the draft thinking our midfield deficiency was somewhat addressed with our first 2 picks.

I do think Hall is Milly Vanilly, but you're getting a WA blue chip big bodied midfield accumulator who gets his hands dirty at least. His disposal is legit shocking at times. Could compliment more classy players like Reid, Hewett and Ginbey quite well I guess.

Could also end up the exact same player as Zane Trew. He projects as a player destined for the WAFL IMO :shrug:

Prefer Schoenmaker, Reid, MEdwards. Edwards, Stevens.
 
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Dark Sharks said:
Whipping boy potential taking Hall with our 2nd rather than our 3rd pick, given who could still be on the board at our 2nd selection.

I much prefer Hall with 37, but I acknowledge if the club "reached" for him at 27 or whatever, at least you could walk away from the draft thinking our midfield deficiency was somewhat addressed with our first 2 picks.

I do think Hall is Milly Vanilly, but you're getting a WA blue chip big bodied midfield accumulator who gets his hands dirty at least. His disposal is legit shocking at times. Could compliment more classy players like Reid, Hewett and Ginbey quite well I guess.

Could also end up the exact same player as Zane Trew. He projects as a player destined for the WAFL IMO :shrug:

Prefer Schoenmaker, Reid, MEdwards. Edwards, Stevens.
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Agreed. I think with our likelihood of high picks being able to be used on elite midfielders this year and next, it seems silly to reach for him when we could reach for a KPD/Ruck which are generally a bit more speculative. I think we could get an AA KPD/Ruck at 37, but not likely to get an AA midfielder in Hall.

And if we were to pick a big mid, Stevens would be a big upgrade on Hall.
 
Phas said:
Hall is just a younger Will Brodie. Pass, unless in the 50+ range and a Beagles pickup. He'll just be a whipping boy for this board.
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Will Brodie was dropped because he didnt defend.

Clay Hall is a contested ball winner and uses his speed and endurance to get to stoppages to rack up possesions Averaged 5.3 tackles a game. Hall defends.

His knock is his composure kicking under pressure. We need a mid like Hall or Dimattia. Fast, contested, goes in and gets the ball and handballs to more skilled outside or balanced players. The Tom Mitchell, Matt Pridis role. Not having an elite kick doesn't mean you can't become an effective or even an elite AFL player. But you must defend.
 
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Obeanie1 said:
Will Brodie was dripped because he didnt defend.

Clay Hall is a contested ball winner and uses his speed and endurance to get to stoppages to rack up posessuons Averaged 5.3 tackles a game. Hall defends.

His knock is his composure kicking under pressure. We need a mid like Hall or Dimattia. Fast, contested, goes in a gets the ball and handballs to more skilled outside or balanced players. The Tom Mitchell role.
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Do we know Halls combine results.

Speed and endurance?

2km trial
20m sprint

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Obeanie1 said:
Will Brodie was dripped because he didnt defend.

Clay Hall is a contested ball winner and uses his speed and endurance to get to stoppages to rack up posessuons Averaged 5.3 tackles a game. Hall defends.

His knock is his composure kicking under pressure. We need a mid like Hall or Dimattia. Fast, contested, goes in a gets the ball and handballs to more skilled outside or balanced players. The Tom Mitchell role.
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When he stepped up to the WAFL, his tackle count dropped off. Hard to imagine him having more luck landing more tackles at the AFL level. I'm assuming it was due to not having the explosiveness to be able to catch them and/or being able to match their lateral movement.

I'm not saying he's a bad player/pick, but I do think he'll be a solid state-league player, not an AFL midfielder.

Zane Zakostelsky would be a better pickup at that range imo.
 

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Obeanie1 said:
Collard is a risk but also a potential high reward investment. A stock in a company that could skyrocket if it can turn a very promising prototype into a commercial (e.i.AFL 200 game player).

And in AFL terms a player good enough to be in your best 6 players in a grand final side. The olayer the opposition fear and plan for.

Collard isnt a small forward in stature, 185cm. How much he bulks up is unknown however a Mark Le cras size is a fair estimate.

He likely costs a late 1st that slides to early 20's.

Is pick 22 too much to invest in a potential high yeild, high performing stock? What else can we buy around pick 22?

Note: Collard kicking 10 goals has stirred the media, what a difference that has made. Clarkson showing interest is him playing 3D chess. More than one game as well.

We take Reid. North take Curtin with 3 and Collard with 18.
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Just as an FYI mate, Collard only measured 180cm at combine. Not 185 as WAFL listed. Probably not a big deal but still.
* As per main board D+T thread.
 
Get_The_Gaff said:
A first year ruck who didn't have a pre-season playing at the beagles didn't live up to pre draft hype .

We should have just Delisted him an be done with it . 🙄
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I did acknowledge I was being harsh at the bottom of my post. But I tend to back in my feelings on players.

I also said later that I hope and expect we'll see more from HB this season.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Will Brodie was dropped because he didnt defend.

Clay Hall is a contested ball winner and uses his speed and endurance to get to stoppages to rack up possesions Averaged 5.3 tackles a game. Hall defends.

His knock is his composure kicking under pressure. We need a mid like Hall or Dimattia. Fast, contested, goes in a gets the ball and handballs to more skilled outside or balanced players. The Tom Mitchell, Matt Pridis role. Not having an elite kick doesn't mean you can't become an effective or even an elite AFL player. But you must defend.
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No idea on Hall as a player.

Not being able to kick isn't a future killer if have enought other elite attributes. Not knowing how to kick, but kicking a lot is a killler though. Have to play within your means, bite of kicks you can actually make (the Tom Mitchell dinky kicks), and use the ball by hand.
 
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The more I think about it, the more I'd like us to go after North's F1. They're getting the spoon easily next season. We could have picks 1 & 2 next year if we get their F1.

WC: 1, F3
NM: 2, 18, F1

Basically, a trade of Reid for McKercher, pick 18 this year & next year's 1st overall pick.

We still get an elite midfielder to pair with Ginbey & Hewett. We'd also be likely to have the first two picks in 2024 for either elite mids or slide-back-trade-value next year for Sam Taylor, Shai Bolton, Busslinger, Zurhaar, etc. if the top-enders are mama's boys.

2025 Premiership team:
FB. Busslinger, Taylor, Duggan
HB. Hunt, Barrass, Hough
C. McKercher, Ginbey, Chesser
HF. Bolton, Allen, Long
FF. Williams, Maric, Ryan
FOL. Flynn, Kelly, Hewett
IC. Zurhaar, Collard, Brockman, Burgiel
SUB. Sheed (with his only touch being a mark and goal on the siren to win after being subbed on with 3 minutes left to play)
 
Phas said:
The more I think about it, the more I'd like us to go after North's F1. They're getting the spoon easily next season. We could have picks 1 & 2 next year if we get their F1.

WC: 1, F3
NM: 2, 18, F1

Basically, a trade of Reid for McKercher, pick 18 this year & next year's 1st overall pick.

We still get an elite midfielder to pair with Ginbey & Hewett. We'd also be likely to have the first two picks in 2024 for either elite mids or slide-back-trade-value next year for Sam Taylor, Shai Bolton, Busslinger, Zurhaar, etc. if the top-enders are mama's boys.

2025 Premiership team:
FB. Busslinger, Taylor, Duggan
HB. Hunt, Barrass, Hough
C. McKercher, Ginbey, Chesser
HF. Bolton, Allen, Long
FF. Williams, Maric, Ryan
FOL. Flynn, Kelly, Hewett
IC. Zurhaar, Collard, Brockman, Burgiel
SUB. Sheed (with his only touch being a mark and goal on the siren to win after being subbed on with 3 minutes left to play)
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Wait....what?

We're going to go out and get all of Jed Busslinger, Sam Taylor, Shai Bolton AND Cam Zurhaar?!!!

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Phas said:
The more I think about it, the more I'd like us to go after North's F1. They're getting the spoon easily next season. We could have picks 1 & 2 next year if we get their F1.

WC: 1, F3
NM: 2, 18, F1

Basically, a trade of Reid for McKercher, pick 18 this year & next year's 1st overall pick.

We still get an elite midfielder to pair with Ginbey & Hewett. We'd also be likely to have the first two picks in 2024 for either elite mids or slide-back-trade-value next year for Sam Taylor, Shai Bolton, Busslinger, Zurhaar, etc. if the top-enders are mama's boys.

2025 Premiership team:
FB. Busslinger, Taylor, Duggan
HB. Hunt, Barrass, Hough
C. McKercher, Ginbey, Chesser
HF. Bolton, Allen, Long
FF. Williams, Maric, Ryan
FOL. Flynn, Kelly, Hewett
IC. Zurhaar, Collard, Brockman, Burgiel
SUB. Sheed (with his only touch being a mark and goal on the siren to win after being subbed on with 3 minutes left to play)
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They aren’t doing that for the same reason they aren’t doing 2+3 - it is massive overs in our favour.

If we are actually interested in trading for an offer that they may make I would think 2, a pick in the 6-10 range then either 18 or a F2nd as the cherry is the best we can hope for. Still not convinced Nth offer it.

And I think most of us are OK with mediocre offers. No is one of two options for us (and results in taking the best player in the draft), and we have no reason to move to a yes unless convinced by something significant.


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