Preview R1: Changes for 2025

Of the players at the fringes or who are getting on a bit, who will get a gig in Round 1?

  • Chayce Jones

  • Sam Berry

  • Lachlan Murphy

  • Luke Pedlar

  • Brayden Cook

  • Zac Taylor

  • Oscar Ryan

  • Harry Schoenberg

  • Luke Nankervis

  • Rory Laird

  • Wayne Milera

  • Billy Dowling

  • Brodie Smith

  • Lachlan Sholl

  • Hugh Bond


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Just to follow up on my other post, as I forgot to include Freo. Our oldest 2 players is equal 7th-9th with Freo and Hawks at 33.5 years old average. Places 10-13 average 33 years. If we removed the 2 oldest players from every club, we would be 9th youngest, 0.1 year younger than Suns and 0.1 year older than Port. There would be 6 clubs within 0.3 of a year above and below us, Carlton 6th at 24.6, us 9th at 24.3 and Freo 12th at 24.0.

Really a kind of nothing analysis. I'm surprised it got likes, I'd have thought them harder to come across.

What if you also take off the 2 oldest and 2 youngest - then the next 2 from an experience pov at each end (not counting the ones already gone due to age)?

Where do we rank then?

Does that show we actually were good last year and just unlucky with the draw??? Does that show how crap our coaching and selection policies were?

If not, please keep removing players until we get the desired result!
 
In terms of average age, if you do that for every other team, about the same thing happens. The average age of each teams oldest 2 players is 33.25 years, ours is 33.5 years, which makes us equal 7th and 8th with hawks. Below us are clubs 9-12 averaging half a year less. What's actually important isn't the raw numbers, it's reliance on the older players. Our 3 oldest, Laird is 3rd, probably won't contribute a whole lot more to our best 23 than their replacements. Tex might if he's physically good to go and we don't wear him out, but Smith shouldn't be auto selected anymore and Laird wouldn't be too far ahead of next man up.
Do it with games instead. Reckon that'll make more of a difference because we have a very weird games distribution on our list compared to most other lists, since we were a club that very much favoured long apprenticeships and earned games and so late debuts and then we went the rebuild where we changed this 180 degrees. We don't have this with age so much.
 
Do it with games instead. Reckon that'll make more of a difference because we have a very weird games distribution on our list compared to most other lists, since we were a club that very much favoured long apprenticeships and earned games and so late debuts and then we went the rebuild where we changed this 180 degrees. We don't have this with age so much.
Us
3x200+
7x100+
13x50+
14x0+
6 no games

Brisbane
5x200+
13x100+
5x50+
12x0+
9 no games

So very light on for 100+ game players. But by end of year, we could be
4x200+
11x100+
15x50+
 

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Do it with games instead. Reckon that'll make more of a difference because we have a very weird games distribution on our list compared to most other lists, since we were a club that very much favoured long apprenticeships and earned games and so late debuts and then we went the rebuild where we changed this 180 degrees. We don't have this with age so much.

Has that really changed 180 degrees in the rebuild? We played McHenry a lot prior to delisting and we played Rowe all the way to delisting. Murphy has racked up 100 games with none of the decent kids being able to push him out of the side despite outperforming him when given a chance via injury.

Anyway, we still have the mismatch with full list where we're 8th for average age v 14th for games played. Removing all clubs 2 most capped players results in us remaining 14th. Freo moves above us with GWS dropping below. I'm not sure if it has any value, but our variation between average games and average age of -5 is the largest in the league, Essendon are at +5, pies, blues, gws and eagles are all 0. I think it shows that we've tended to rely heavily on a smaller group and when they retire, the next wave haven't had much experience. We've been 5 years rebuilding we may have gotten a bit better, but it doesn't look turned on its head yet.
 
Has that really changed 180 degrees in the rebuild? We played McHenry a lot prior to delisting and we played Rowe all the way to delisting. Murphy has racked up 100 games with none of the decent kids being able to push him out of the side despite outperforming him when given a chance via injury.

Anyway, we still have the mismatch with full list where we're 8th for average age v 14th for games played. Removing all clubs 2 most capped players results in us remaining 14th. Freo moves above us with GWS dropping below. I'm not sure if it has any value, but our variation between average games and average age of -5 is the largest in the league, Essendon are at +5, pies, blues, gws and eagles are all 0. I think it shows that we've tended to rely heavily on a smaller group and when they retire, the next wave haven't had much experience. We've been 5 years rebuilding we may have gotten a bit better, but it doesn't look turned on its head yet.
Ned played 10 games this year, I wouldnt say thats a lot
 
New numbers confirmed:

Nick Murray - 9

Tyler Welsh - 17

James Peatling - 25

Alex Neal-Bullen 28

Sid Draper - 34

Isaac Cumming - 44
Cumming to 13 once Tex retires
Draper eventually to 1, 3, 4 or 5 (whoever out of Jones, Berry, Murphy and Crouch is the soonest to vacate)
 
21 the last 2 years when it was clear he had no future is a lot. Add 15 games to Smith and carrying out of form Jones for 16 games and it's not hard to argue we're still reticent to trial fresh faces.
Its really not, players get played a lot more than 21 games in 2 years and been delisted, worth noting a large portion of those have been as sub.

Also, I dont think we're reticent to try fresh faces at all. Thats nonsense.
 
Do it with games instead. Reckon that'll make more of a difference because we have a very weird games distribution on our list compared to most other lists, since we were a club that very much favoured long apprenticeships and earned games and so late debuts and then we went the rebuild where we changed this 180 degrees. We don't have this with age so much.

It's probably more to do with how little we've delisted from the last four-five drafts, alongside a small intake of 18 year olds.
 
We’ve got talent on the list now. Now need to play a guy that is always injured and shirks contact,
He's had injuries (played 22 games in 2023) but the contact point is ridiculous. He's the ideal 7th defender with his ball carry and disposal efficiency. And he goes in a hard as anyone. Don't be misled by his sidestep.

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He's had injuries (played 22 games in 2023) but the contact point is ridiculous. He's the ideal 7th defender with his ball carry and disposal efficiency. And he goes in a hard as anyone. Don't be misled by his sidestep.

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2023 was the first season in his 8-year career that he's hit more than 19 games.

2023 is an outlier and nothing else. He's as injury prone as almost anybody going around.
 

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Bond, Butts/Keane, Worrell
Hinge, NMurray, Michelanney
Dowling, Crouch, Cumming
ANB, Fogarty, Dawson
Keays, Thilthorpe, Walker (if fit only)

ROB, Peatling, Rankine

Curtin, Soligo, Rachele, ?.
Sub: ?

How can Pepsi Nuts possibly **** this up?
? Laird - can't kick
? Murphy - can't get a kick
 
Finally we’re moving past the Gallucci/Jones/McHenry/Rowe era of “well, he’s the best available right now…”

I hope.

I know there’s still a few to crowbar out of the first 22, but I can’t wait to see the new traded-in and drafted players

Thank Christ we had the good sense to play a crap year and drop so far we were guaranteed a top level mid. About time.
 

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