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I'm finding it difficult to grade our season. Overall we exceeded my expectations at the start of the year, so I'd like to give a B... But we have to re-evaluate our goals as the situation changes, and in round 18 or so, top 4 should have been par. C+ for me. Might have been a B, but coming...

Things I'd like to see happen next year: Mental preparation - we have consistently started poorly all year. That must be corrected. Our first halves have been basically identical for the last month or so. The only difference tonight was that the swans were good enough to really punish us. Next...

Miles off is a bit of an exaggeration. Our midfield is certainly below par, but forward and back we're good to go. Don't forget we've seen the retirement of VB this year, and Hendo has played hardly at all. Who knows, maybe Mackay and Douglas are next (after thommo obviously)?

So was everyone else. No one was any good in those first 20 mins.

I'm far more annoyed about our game against the Weagles than about tonight. Threw away our season with barely a whimper. Need big changes to our midfield, and Jacobs (almost certainly) getting suspended will give us a good look at ROB. Rockliff anyone? He's still not signed, right?

A few people blazing away here but missing obvious points. Selecting Jenkins had little to do with losing tonight. The biggest reason we lost tonight was the 4 goal head start we gave them in the first quarter, and our plodding midfield. Thommo can't play on next year, and although I thought...

Contrary to popular opinion, I don't think we were actually that bad for most of the game. Our start was horrible, giving away a 4 goal start to sydney is never going to end well, but we've been starting poorly all year. That must be corrected. Otherwise, we matched Sydney, who were playing...

Thompson has to have had his last year. Wouldn't mind Rockliff, and we need B Crouch to really take the reins next year.

Having to play injured players is the hidden danger of playing so few players during the year. No way we could have brought in Menzel or Beech for their first of the season - instead we should have been giving these guys a game or two during the year to get them involved. Sent from my GT-I9505...

Good: Charlie Cameron Our third quarter Bad: Our consistently poor starts. We never got exposed against the weaker teams, but Sydney really punished us tonight, and we never really recovered. Our consistent failure to convert when we control parts of the second quarter. It's another theme of...

Observers don't get to decide on whether something should or shouldn't be offensive. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

I disagree. You throw something at a player, you forfeit your privilege to attend matches. The racism of it just makes it worse. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

After the Goodes saga last year, she chooses to throw a banana? Smacks of racism to me. The ape/banana connection is too strong not to be made, even by Pear supporter. Ban her for life. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

Kicking 3.9 in the second was critical. If we kicked 7.5 or something like that, the game would have been practically over, bar the singing. From there, we would have destroyed them. Instead, our poor kicking gave Port hope and allowed them to keep piling on the pressure in the second half.

If Smith is properly concussed, there's a fair chance we won't see him until 2nd or 3rd week of finals. Second concussion in two years, could be bad. Seedsman in for him I would think. I think that's likely to be our only change. Too late to debut anyone like Beech or Wigg now.

Good Grinding out a win in a high pressure match. Eddie's 5 goals in his 250th. What a absolute legend he is. 2nd place! Bad: Our kicking for goal. Very little chance of finishing top now. Commentators. Dwayne and Roo are rough to listen to.

Who am I piling onto? I'm just stating my opinion, not directing bile at any other poster.

Amazing how these threads just turn into a pile-on on whoever disagrees. No way thommo gets another week off. We get a bye round between the home and away season and finals this year, so thommo is sure to come back in for the last 3 rounds. CEY probably deserves another shot, so I'd like to...

Please do. While you do, please also explain how a record, the basis of which is inconsistent, can be consistently relied upon to support your argument. Unless your argument is specious, and you know it. Of course our record against top 4 sides is bad. The nature of the ladder means is it...

Riddle me this original Riddle which you still haven't answered: Last night, apparently we lost to a top 4 side. If we had won, did we beat a top 4 side?

Unfortunate for you guys really, you have such an advantage there. I'm not complaining though

Good one, smart arse. You don't see why your "our record against top 4 sides is bad" argument is ridiculous?

The "our record against top 4 sides is poor" argument is self fulfilling, because the outcome of the game changes the ladder. We win, we get 4 points, they don't. We move up the ladder, they slide down. If we had won last night, we wouldn't have beaten a top 4 side, but somehow we lost to one...

If we had won last night, would you have counted it as us beating a top 4 side?

Did I blame the loss on the ground? Or is that just your interpretation? Do you just enjoy being contrary? Playing Geelong in Geelong is much harder than playing them at Etihad or the MCG. Of course I'm not saying we lost because we played there, but it made it a heck of a lot harder...

Yeah, I thought so too.

Your point?

Good: No finals will be played at that cricket pitch of a ground. Bad Not learning a single thing from last match. Played straight into their game plan from start to finish. Enright must have been laughing. Ugly Bartel's beard. The game day thread.

The one positive is still that even if we run into Geelong in September, it won't be at that shit hole of a ground.

The whole "can't beat a top 4 side" argument is rubbish. We lose tonight, we've lost to "another top 4 side". We win tonight, we still haven't beaten a top 4 side. The people who make that argument don't understand the consequences winning and losing have on the ladder.