Traded #18 Jacob Konstanty
- Thread starter SwansProudly
- Start date
- Tagged users None
Any reason for that mate? Bad attitude or something similar?
On one hand, the coach plays a role in working through the personalities of the 40+ players on the list and will make a judgement as to who will be a net positive vs a net negative on the playing group. Fair play imo.
The second part of the equation is if the coach has a certain bias for particular character traits. Say for players who just say yes, go with the grain and don't challenge the status quo. Then we may have a bit of a problem.
The players who have remained on the list have gone on to shit the bed in the last 2 grand finals, while there have been others who have gone on to carve out successful careers at other clubs and have even won premierships. Mumford, Nankervis, aliir, Mitchell, Newman.
I'm not saying all of the those players were offload because of their attitude. What I am saying is, do we have the right mix of players. Those who follow every order. Plus those who may not be perfect clubmen, but will get the job done on-field when it matters most.
I think there's an argument to be had.
The second part of the equation is if the coach has a certain bias for particular character traits. Say for players who just say yes, go with the grain and don't challenge the status quo. Then we may have a bit of a problem.
The players who have remained on the list have gone on to shit the bed in the last 2 grand finals, while there have been others who have gone on to carve out successful careers at other clubs and have even won premierships. Mumford, Nankervis, aliir, Mitchell, Newman.
I'm not saying all of the those players were offload because of their attitude. What I am saying is, do we have the right mix of players. Those who follow every order. Plus those who may not be perfect clubmen, but will get the job done on-field when it matters most.
I think there's an argument to be had.
Sorry, in what sphere of existence were Aliir, Mumford or Mitchell on the outer at the point they were delisted?
It is kind of depressing that we draft a kid in the first round. Sit him in the forward pocket in a pretty awful VFL team.
We never hear anything about how he is going or what the club thinks of him. Seemingly no effort is made at all to get him more involved in the game or try him in another position. And then we get rid of him.
Almost feels like they decided almost immediately that he wasn't any good and wasn't worth bothering with. I realise it wouldn't be like that but I seriously question why we even recruit these guys.
We never hear anything about how he is going or what the club thinks of him. Seemingly no effort is made at all to get him more involved in the game or try him in another position. And then we get rid of him.
Almost feels like they decided almost immediately that he wasn't any good and wasn't worth bothering with. I realise it wouldn't be like that but I seriously question why we even recruit these guys.
- Apr 26, 2016
- 39,874
- 82,256
- AFL Club
- Sydney
- Moderator
- #208
You could pretty much copy and paste this into the thread of every kid over the last 2-3 seasons.
I honestly don't know who has torched through our last few drafts more - Horse, Truslove, Beatson or Dalrymple.
Probably all of them in some way.
TheGoatBaron
Bigfooty’s Head Shake Officer
- Jan 4, 2010
- 18,357
- 9,493
- AFL Club
- Sydney
- Other Teams
- Port Melb, Eintracht Frankfurt.
Surely we didn’t get rid of him so cheaply because of “that” incident involving Callum Mills? If so, that’s quite petty
You have to wonder if they were all on the same page.
- Oct 18, 2018
- 5,390
- 12,617
- AFL Club
- Sydney
My mail was that he was not as committed as he could be. I don't know whether it was fitness. doing the extras, being a team mate, etc. Whether he just hated Sydney. But that is what I heard.
- Apr 26, 2016
- 39,874
- 82,256
- AFL Club
- Sydney
- Moderator
- #215
Judging by your picture you look like you have very big ears, so I trust whatever you say you heard.
- Oct 18, 2018
- 5,390
- 12,617
- AFL Club
- Sydney
It is always much better being a good listener than a good talker they say.
Also the older you get the bigger they get. Ears don't stop growing.
I think I'm a good listener.
He has been wholly underwhelming on the field for mine (despite our garbage VFL team over the role), but in a role we desperately need to find another player in the medium to longer term (You would hope if Cleary becomes good enough at AFL level - it will ultimately be in the long term), it is still surprising we chose to cut our losses quite so quickly. Suspect there is more to the story behind the scenes, beyond just that incident.
They play Cleary in the midfield in the reserves. They should have done the same with Konstanty and Vickery. At least give them a chance to show if they can play or not.
I reckon Papley would struggle to get a kick playing small forward in our reserves the last couple of years.
North Melbourne must be a chip company because Sydney keep sending them potatoes
The problem here is that we complain when we play draftees out of position and say they were never given a chance to develop in the role at which they played in the rep leagues, then in this case we complain that he was always played in the position that he was recruited for.
I really doubt the Mills incident has anything to do with not being in anyone's good books. I tend to think that Rusty has probably hit the nail on the head and assume that Konstanty didn't really 'buy in' to the opportunity he was given. It may just be a personality thing or even a maturity thing.
My point is it was obviously almost immediately that Konstanty was struggling to get involved in the game playing small forward in our VFL team. I don't watch every minute of every reserves game, and maybe he is just straight up no good, but I never saw any effort being made to try and get him more involved in the game by going into the midfield.
I couldn't answer that, but it seemed to me (from the outside) they we identified the need for a good small forward, hence we took the best of breed with our first pick. Because of this, we really wanted him to develop and succeed as a small forward and therefore gave him every opportunity to do so. Maybe we could have put him into the middle, but then it would rob time from those we are trying to develop there at the same time as not developing his small forward craft.
However, at the end of the day I strongly suspect that his attitude may have the most bearing of all. It could be that he has a change now that he realises he has gone from 1st round pick to steak knives and only just escaped being delisted by the skin of his teeth, as Norf has offered him a 2nd chance to have a career. It is now completely up to his attitude.
Not HIS attitude
- Nov 11, 2012
- 36,710
- 43,381
- AFL Club
- Sydney
And we keep picking them
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked
