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Traded #18 Jacob Konstanty
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I felt he should have been given a few senior games even as a sub.
It would be a different experience being a small forward in our senior team compared to the reserves. It could have been a different dynamic having 2-3 small forward linking up with each rather than just Papley at times.
I will be interested to see how he goes at North Melbourne if he does get to play AFL.
It would be a different experience being a small forward in our senior team compared to the reserves. It could have been a different dynamic having 2-3 small forward linking up with each rather than just Papley at times.
I will be interested to see how he goes at North Melbourne if he does get to play AFL.
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Yes as well as coaching and umpiring.
If he would have add value to the senior side he’d have gotten a game.
He was no where near it.
It’s possible that he didn’t put as much effort in as others. Attitude comes in different flavours It’s also possible he just wasn’t very good.
He may have been challenged and not responded. It’s a competitive environment.
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On output alone I don't have an issue with us trading Konstanty.
The reason I am very against this trade is because we simply don't have many genuine small forwards on the list, and it's arguably our biggest need, and one of the most important areas of footy in the 2020s.
If nothing else, Konstanty showed he had very good pressure, as he was a strong tackler and had speed to chase and harass (I concur with others that he didn't overly inspire me with ball in hand.) These are also things we are lacking.
Meanwhile we go and give Mitchell another contract when he is a type of player that already occupies about a quarter of our list and we will never ever fit them all in the team.
So frustrating.
The reason I am very against this trade is because we simply don't have many genuine small forwards on the list, and it's arguably our biggest need, and one of the most important areas of footy in the 2020s.
If nothing else, Konstanty showed he had very good pressure, as he was a strong tackler and had speed to chase and harass (I concur with others that he didn't overly inspire me with ball in hand.) These are also things we are lacking.
Meanwhile we go and give Mitchell another contract when he is a type of player that already occupies about a quarter of our list and we will never ever fit them all in the team.
So frustrating.
Don't think he earnt a shot but strongly agree with your second para. In his early days Wicks split his time forward and midfield and I think this is worthwhile in VFL (70:30?) because it's often so chaotic.
That's a difficult comparison. Do you give the bloke who gives it 100% the opportunity or the bloke who gives it less? Making assumptions here of course.
It looks to me as if Mitchell is being given a year to reinvent himself as a running halfback (assumption again). If he succeeds we have a handy asset to potentially replace Fox etc. If he fails we have lost SFA and he gets delisted.
If, as has been postulated, Konstanty was giving a fair bit less than 100% why would you reward that? Sends a terrible message, especially after that GF.
I know, the Konstanty stuff is assuming, but I don't think the Mitchell stuff is. Rewarding the right behaviour is rarely the wrong thing to do.
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I don't believe that there was any difference in what Konstanty and Mitchell were giving. So I suppose that is the first place we deviate in opinion on the topic.
From there it becomes about output and needs. OK Mitchell's probably shown more, but more to leapfrog the 9-10 flanker types in front of him and earn another contract, let alone a senior game? I'm thinking not. Konstanty meanwhile could easily have found himself an option if only 1 or 2 players got injured.
Of course, Mitchell can get a game next year if we decide to add more flankers. But I am absolutely unwavering in my belief that if we do not play one or two LESS outside players in our 22 next year, we will not be winning the flag. So I actually think ideally Mitchell needs to be further away from a senior game next year than he was this year if we want to be a flag hope. (Again, this is nothing against Mitchell. All to do with the type of player he is.)
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I think if a player is a early draft pick and we feel he has got talent. A few sub appearances in his first two seasons can help his development and allow the club to see how he goes at AFL level.
Also we like to debut young players at half forward. So I feel it would have been easier to do with Konstanty than with a KPD or tall forward.
In general I felt we could have developed our younger players better if we had used the 22nd or 23rd spot to give one of the reserve players experience. Then it gives us a bit more depth in the squad when we had injuries later in the season. And we get to see how they perform at AFL level.
Even someone like Sheldrick, we could have given him 1-2 games to keep him involved. It feels like there is a large group of players that are just frozen out with not much opportunity.
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Hard tto gift games to players when the club is flying , how do you drop a bloke that doesn't deserve it and Jacob had a few injuries . AFL games aren't gifted
I’m not sure why you think of Mitchell as a flanker.
He’s not particularly fast. But he is a powerful unit.
I pay little heed to where Truslove played them. It often felt like we were being coached by mad Auntie Ethel.
Konstanty was one of the few who DID play his natural position.
Truslove was a poor appointment , only got it because he was already in Sydney
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Probably came down to Konstanty or Hannily in terms of the list. Papley, Wicks and Hannily small forwards. How many do we need?
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I agree that this season there were limited opportunities to give Konstanty a debut when we had a fully fit squad, Konstanty having injures and us not wanting to upset the balance of a top 4 side.
In general we are a club that will err on making players "earn" a debut rather than "gift" it to them. I feel that other clubs are more likely to debut players early and rotate the squad. So there are more opportunities for young players on the fringes.
Yes all of that may be true
You’d also be aware that coaches have their favourites and they’re not so favourites. That can be for valid reasons (as you listed above), but sometimes a coach just doesn’t rate a player regardless of what they offer.
I’m not suggesting JK deserved a senior game, I’ve no idea why he’s no longer on a list
Bedford says he’s a good kid and Longmire took a dislike to him
Whatever occurred it’s another first round draft f up, who that is on, I’m not sure
If he succeeds at North Melbourne then it will reflect poorly on the current coach because he’s the type of player we’re crying out for in the forward line
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I would add there is even a difference with those two, pretty sure both were offered contracts to stay.
I think you can add Darcy Cameron to that list.
DC was always injured , we were a bit stiff with him
Yep, I can’t disagree re his injuries. I know a couple of ex-Academy boys who played with him in the Reserves (well, my son knows them really) and they always sang his praises. They said that on the ground he always stood out. Anyway, sorry off topic really.
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