1st Test Border Gavaskar Trophy November 22-26 1350hrs @ Perth Stadium

[caveman72]

I genuinely don’t understand it. Can you explain why he bowls lengths that scare the shit out of our batsmen and take the stumps out of the ground and we bowl ones that they’re happy to leave on length or tuck around the corner and rotate the strike? Is it skill? Coaching?

Aussie egos?

 

[Lunchtime]

Name our bowlers that swing the ball we have Starc who is good for 1 in 6 that is it

They have Bumrah who does it every ball

Let's be honest...Starc is good but not that good. He averages 27 with the ball...that says it all...

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Somewhat, yes... Seam is ball and pitch dependant, though.

Pitch stays mostly the same. Less variable than humidity/clouds

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Aussie egos?

Devils advocate have we been sucked in to using the bounce too much like opposition teams have been stereotyped to

 

[gtrxuone]

South westerly just came in,Fremantle Doctor.Might help Starc +Marsh swing the ball.Maby some extra turn for Lyon.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Seriously though is there any way here we can score a handful of wickets in a row? Nothing looks threatening and the ball is only getting older. If Lyon is to take the overs he’ll be a bowl 10 overs and let them make a mistake type bowler at this stage of the test match not an every ball could be a wicket type.

 

[k31th]

Pitch stays mostly the same. Less variable than humidity/clouds

Hence my original point... do we have a dud ball? it's hardly seamed and slow-mo replays show we've had plenty of upright seam deliveries that could/should seam.

 

[Billy ray]

Whats the cricket equivalent of “just kick it long!”

Just bowl yorkers?

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Seriously though is there any way here we can score a handful of wickets in a row? Nothing looks threatening and the ball is only getting older. If Lyon is to take the overs he’ll be a bowl 10 overs and let them make a mistake type bowler at this stage of the test match not an every ball could be a wicket type.

None of our bowlers can keep the same line and length

 

[k31th]

Whats the cricket equivalent of “just kick it long!”

Just bowl yorkers?

"just bowl it at the stumps"

 

[Westend]

Seriously though is there any way here we can score a handful of wickets in a row? Nothing looks threatening and the ball is only getting older. If Lyon is to take the overs he’ll be a bowl 10 overs and let them make a mistake type bowler at this stage of the test match not an every ball could be a wicket type.

Maybe....

team is flat as so probably not

Cummins is short of a gallop

Starc Hazelwood tired

Marsh bowling poo

maybe Lyon who knows

looks like the team has given up

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Another Mitchell Starc pie

 

[k31th]

Confidence to play that shot across the line :O

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Hence my original point... do we have a dud ball? it's hardly seamed and slow-mo replays show we've had plenty of upright seam deliveries that could/should seam.

I don’t know enough about cricket balls to answer that but devils advocate. Is there THAT much difference in the seam bowling/position abilities of the respective bowlers that would account for such a stark difference in movement? I honestly cannot believe the difference can be that much.

 

[Plugger35]

Jaiswal smoking Starc into the stands, he isn't saying much now.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Confidence to play that shot across the line :O

Is it possible to do that to bumrah? He bowls full so why not just hit him like a full toss or half volley

 

[Billy ray]

Just bowl it at the stumps

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Maybe....

team is flat as so probably not

Cummins is short of a gallop

Starc Hazelwood tired

Marsh bowling poo

maybe Lyon who knows

looks like the team has given up

I refuse to believe they’ve given up. That would be incredibly soft. Similar to afl fans copium about their team “tanking for the draft”. I think they’re trying their best but they’re just not good

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

None of our bowlers can keep the same line and length

Match fixing?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Whats the cricket equivalent of “just kick it long!”

Just bowl yorkers?

For this team…

Bowl 100 bouncers and wait till they don’t plonk it into the stands

 

[k31th]

I don’t know enough about cricket balls to answer that but devils advocate. Is there THAT much difference in the seam bowling/position abilities of the respective bowlers that would account for such a stark difference in movement? I honestly cannot believe the difference can be that much.

Based on the first innings, there was bugger-all discrepancy in terms of the two teams and their ability to move it off the pitch. At the tail end of our batting innings, movement seemed to lower and made it a bit easier for Starc/Hazlewood, but that ball was 40+ overs old and the seam had definitely softened throughout the innings, whereas we've got a brand-new ball just ~1hr later and there's two-fifths-of-****-all seam... anyway, maybe it is a skill issue...

 

[Westend]

I refuse to believe they’ve given up. That would be incredibly soft. Similar to afl fans copium about their team “tanking for the draft”. I think they’re trying their best but they’re just not good

Yeah credit to India ..Bumrah just too good

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I refuse to believe they’ve given up. That would be incredibly soft. Similar to afl fans copium about their team “tanking for the draft”. I think they’re trying their best but they’re just not good

The batting lineup has been not good for 5 years yet selectors wouldn’t try things perfect example last summer against minnows

 

[k31th]

Is it possible to do that to bumrah? He bowls full so why not just hit him like a full toss or half volley

If it's moving off the seam, it's a suicidal shot haha

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Based on the first innings, there was bugger-all discrepancy in terms of the two teams and their ability to move it off the pitch. At the tail end of our batting innings, movement seemed to lower and made it a bit easier for Starc/Hazlewood, but that ball was 40+ overs old and the seam had definitely softened throughout the innings, whereas we've got a brand-new ball just ~1hr later and there's two-fifths-of-****-all seam... anyway, maybe it is a skill issue...

Look you’re a Richmond fan so you’re used to winning and being good but as a st Kilda fan I’m used to acknowledging sometimes the players just aren’t up to it.