1st Test Border Gavaskar Trophy November 22-26 1350hrs @ Perth Stadium

[PhatBoy]

Michael Clarke and Steve Smith are outliers in the last 20 years.

Chris Rogers came back in (way past his peak) because there was nobody else coming through. Same for Adam Voges, who also had some clear deficiencies. You will recall Voges came into the side early 2015 in part because they didn't think they could go with Joe Burns who was 25-26 at the time.

These are both terrible examples.

One is a terrible example who had 25,000 first class runs at 50 and more than proved he could handle test cricket in the hardest position to bat annd the other other made 14,000 first class runs at 46.
And hello, the guy who just quit last summer? Yeah sure he made his name as a t20 player but he also made numerous huge scores including a test triple hundred. Pretty sure coming through the era of retiring in junior Saturday cricket didn’t impact on his ability to bat long and he managed to carve a successful career out of it.


Sorry, but if you think they’re bad examples there’s not much else anyone can say to you.

Batsmen have been retiring in junior cricket for as long as modern junior cricket has been properly organised. Blaming a recent problem on it when there’s a cause so blindingly obvious is ridiculous.

 

[Voice of the G]

I've never truly been a fan of T20 cricket. I've never really got into the BBL/WBBL/other T20 leagues around the world. I can only watch T20 in short spurts. I can't watch a whole tournament of T20 cricket.

T20 cricket had impacted negatively on red ball (First-Class/Test) cricket.And 1 day cricket as well.

 

[sabso]

I don’t recall any of Jones’ career, but this sounds a lot like MJ Hussey.

Are you mixing Mike and Dave up?

 

[Black Diamond]

Are you mixing Mike and Dave up?

I was thinking of the better one; Mike, so no.

 

[big_e]

I was thinking of the better one; Mike, so no.

You might want to look up Mike Hussey's middle names again....

 

[Black Diamond]

You might want to look up Mike Hussey's middle names again....

Let there be no doubt, I am talking about the better one who also played test cricket, retiring after the 2012-13 series vs Sri Lanka and then rounding out his time playing for Sydney Thunder in the BBL.

 

[sabso]

Let there be no doubt, I am talking about the better one who also played test cricket, retiring after the 2012-13 series vs Sri Lanka and then rounding out his time playing for Sydney Thunder in the BBL.

And his initials are…

 

[western royboy]

We all follow cricket, we know how the game works.

They are kids.

Most kids up to a certain age aren’t interested in standing in the sun doing nothing when they aren’t directly involved for 10-20-30 minutes at a time.

I’m sorry to break it to you but as a parent of kids who played junior cricket right through the youngest age groups through to the end of primary school, they want to bat and bowl. They tolerate fielding because they have to. They will try, and the ones who like, or love, cricket will get more out of it than the others, and maybe 15-25 per cent will genuinely enjoy it. They will fight for the chance to be wicketkeeper…… because it means they are involved.

80-90 per cent will enjoy batting and bowling.

The remaining 10-20 per cent are there because their parents want them to be playing sport and are making them

I didn’t / couldn’t start until i was good enough to get a game for the Under 16’s (I was 11). The system is very, very different and I’ll retell a story that I have put somewhere on here before.

Approximately 12 or so years ago I was involved with my eldest sons under 13 side. Because I was the curator of the club I played as much cricket as I could on the Turf, because it was better for the kids. The club had two adjacent grounds - one turf / one synthetic.

The turf game was sadly of a terrible standard. Unfortunately most of the lids couldn’t hit the pitch and my lad and his mate got about 2-4 balls each out of the 24 they were allotted to face. (4 overs max)

On the adjacent ground, my 9 year old had organised a game with his mates where they battled, bowled and kept and had a ball.

I pointed it out to the guru of cricket in the region and asked the ? Who got the most out of tonights events?

He turned and walked away.

Sometimes less is more.

 

[PhatBoy]

I didn’t / couldn’t start until i was good enough to get a game for the Under 16’s (I was 11). The system is very, very different and I’ll retell a story that I have put somewhere on here before.

Approximately 12 or so years ago I was involved with my eldest sons under 13 side. Because I was the curator of the club I played as much cricket as I could on the Turf, because it was better for the kids. The club had two adjacent grounds - one turf / one synthetic.

The turf game was sadly of a terrible standard. Unfortunately most of the lids couldn’t hit the pitch and my lad and his mate got about 2-4 balls each out of the 24 they were allotted to face. (4 overs max)

On the adjacent ground, my 9 year old had organised a game with his mates where they battled, bowled and kept and had a ball.

I pointed it out to the guru of cricket in the region and asked the ? Who got the most out of tonights events?

He turned and walked away.

Sometimes less is more.

those scenarios are awful.

I have a fading memory of my cricket exploits but I will never ever forget my first junior game in primary ‘B’ grade which was for basically year 3-4 kids. We were allotted 4 overs per pair for the first few weeks while they were still sorting the teams before we moved into ‘25 retired.’

I hadn’t played organised cricket before but had spent years going to the nets with my much older brother in law so knew my way around a bit. I faced the first ball of each over and got a single off all of them - that was it. The other kid, and to this day I remember his name, couldn’t put bat on ball…. The bastard

 

[revo333]

Saw Maxwell bat in a 2nd 11 game at the Junction oval a couple of weeks ago.Caught on the fence and looked in 2 minds whether to hit it out of the ground or play along the ground to the fielder on the fence.Agree,age is his biggest problem now.

Listening to him on a podcast recently it sounded like not being picked a few years ago against Sri Lanka (he makes it out like he thought he was a certainty to play) has really affected his mentality.

Also with the rehab he has to do from his broken leg, He is one leg injury away from career over.

 

[revo333]

Dean Jones was a perfect example of how to play 1 day cricket,most of his shots were along the ground and looked for the gaps and got 4,s but many 2,s and 3,s.This T20 stuff has ruined a lot of potentially good test players like Maxwell and JFM could be heading the same way.

Hitting the ball in the air is fine, problem is now batters try to do it before they get their eye in.

Mitch Marsh is the worse culprit and yet he is flying totally under the radar, the sooner he is out of the test team the better.

 

[Black Diamond]

I knew I was the eleventh bloke picked for my team so I practised fielding a lot to make sure if I was dropped it was going to be for bowling too many half trackers and not dropping catches.

Had the same feeling and same approach a long time ago.

 

[Westend]

Hitting the ball in the air is fine, problem is now batters try to do it before they get their eye in.

Mitch Marsh is the worse culprit and yet he is flying totally under the radar, the sooner he is out of the test team the better.

Yeah Mitch is our only batter in the last 12 months averaging over 40...

 

[JackOutback]

Yeah Mitch is our only batter in the last 12 months averaging over 40...

That’s a shocking statistic.

 

[hawkman]

Hazlewood out due to a side strain. Good thing he was well rested coming into the series

 

[Westend]

Hazlewood out due to a side strain. Good thing he was well rested coming into the series

Yeah what a joke

boland in look at the replacements called into the squad Doggett and F**King Abbot

Doggett okay but not Abbott

You have to got to be kidding me .......F**k me if they want someone who can bowl with a pink ball and swing it both ways and is handy with the bat Joel Paris shits all over abbott in the first class arena....plus you have Morris and Jhye back bowling for WA

F**k you CA ...it so disgusting atm

 

[Jimthegreat]

Yeah what a joke

boland in look at the replacements called into the squad Doggett and F**King Abbot

Doggett okay but not Abbott

You have to got to be kidding me .......F**k me if they want someone who can bowl with a pink ball and swing it both ways and is handy with the bat Joel Paris shits all over abbott in the first class arena....plus you have Morris and Jhye back bowling for WA

F**k you CA ...it so disgusting atm

They inevitably were always going to pick the wrong players. Pink ball you'd look at Richardson or Johnson. Richardson has done it before with the pink ball, Johnson would bend it around corners.

 

[Westend]

They inevitably were always going to pick the wrong players. Pink ball you'd look at Richardson or Johnson. Richardson has done it before with the pink ball, Johnson would bend it around corners.

Boland I am not too fussed about as he has been around the squad and bowls well with a pink ball....still though think Jhye would be just as good if not better if he was picked

Paris has 15 wickets in three shield games and just took 5 for at the Adelaide Oval with the bloody pink ball !!!

 

[JackOutback]

Richardson, Boland, Johnson and Morris would be my order if selection. However, Jhye appears to be made of glass and he and Morris are both returning from injury.

Paris’ figures are genuinely great but he never seems to be considered outside of A games. Has been injured at inconvenient times too.

 

[revo333]

Yeah Mitch is our only batter in the last 12 months averaging over 40...

5 scores 10 or under in his last 9 innings.

Hot stuff!

 

[Jimthegreat]

5 scores 10 or under in his last 9 innings.

Hot stuff!

Has a good solid score and single figure/no score in each of his last 3 Tests. 40, 80 and 47 and solid score, but 0,0,6 in the other innings. Wasn't great against the West Indies but terrific against Pakistan.

 

[Westend]

5 scores 10 or under in his last 9 innings.

Hot stuff!

Have you seen our top four lately ??

would be nice to come out when we are not 4 for F**K all every bloody game

 

[4Seasons]

Yeah what a joke

boland in look at the replacements called into the squad Doggett and F**King Abbot

Doggett okay but not Abbott

You have to got to be kidding me .......F**k me if they want someone who can bowl with a pink ball and swing it both ways and is handy with the bat Joel Paris shits all over abbott in the first class arena....plus you have Morris and Jhye back bowling for WA

F**k you CA ...it so disgusting atm

Lol..you can guarantee a weirdo WA melt.
Jhye needs to get through some games without breaking down.
Morris isn't even close to International standard. He's been in the Australian squad to learn, and is progressing well.

Our fans never disappoint in embarrassing our State.

 

[Westend]

Lol..you can guarantee a weirdo WA melt.
Jhye needs to get through some games without breaking down.
Morris isn't even close to International standard. He's been in the Australian squad to learn, and is progressing well.

Our fans never disappoint in embarrassing our State.

Sorry for backing in our lads who I think could the job

if you have an issue with that thats your problem

 

[sosos]

Exactly my point. Of course there are. I myself love fielding and I’m a fat useless c**t. But How many of them do you reckon started out that way, or weren’t the hyperactive ‘would enjoy literally any sport if it involved being outdoors and being on a field’ type.

Very few I would imagine.

For a high percentage that love of being out there would have been forged as their love of the game in general grew - which would have come from the other aspects. I doubt a lot of guys have just always from the beginning been happy ‘just to field.’

Fielding is 80% minimum of the game though. A kid who is not interested in fielding is not that interested in cricket.

I am probably dipping my oar into a discussion, where I haven't followed all the nuances as closely as I should, so I apologise for any lack of context in my multi quotes.


I loved fielding too. I was a developing leg spinner in the late 70s. Made it to the firsts in mid high school.

But I gave playing cricket away.

Took a 5fer one game. Next game, bowled a single maiden over, and was taken off.

The rest of the season, I would literally sit and watch the "clique" first bat, and then bowl themselves for the whole game.

Got utterly sick of doing nothing except fielding for entire games. Game after game.

Played squash the next summer and never went back.

I probably would have appreciated some kind of quota.