1st Test Border Gavaskar Trophy November 22-26 1350hrs @ Perth Stadium

[BGman]

None of our test team should of been part of the ODI or T20 series against the Pakistanis. All our test players should of played 3 shield games each.

Pertinent point and one I have been pushing for ages. How is four overs seen as sufficient for a Test quick to get sufficient kms into his legs. Josh Hazlewood insisted he play at least one shield game to get that. White ball cricket is the worst prep for a Test batsman. Steve smith was given one shield match. Ussie one too, Marnus tho played a couple.

 

[Blue1980]

I would have thought Bancroft's technical difficult would be even more found out by a guy like Bumrah TBH.

The idea that if Bancroft was picked last summer would have meant he wouldn’t have lost form this year is bizarre.

He’s averaging like 5 in first class cricket this year over an extended period, test quality batsmen don’t do that, especially not ones supposed to be at their peak in their early 30s

 

[jannissary]

it's comedic to think that the size of a batsmen matters in the slightest to a bowler. dumb theory that has no basis in reality

 

[Carn The Berries]

I don't think he was ever small and skinny looking. And didn't play well early on either.

Fact is Australian sides have had better batting success with imposing players opening.

Marcus Stoinis on the phone to George Bailey as we speak...

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

The idea that if Bancroft was picked last summer would have meant he wouldn’t have lost form this year is bizarre.

He’s averaging like 5 in first class cricket this year over an extended period, test quality batsmen don’t do that, especially not ones supposed to be at their peak in their early 30s

Maybe a drop in confidence from having it shown to him, quite starkly, that no matter how many runs he scores hes got limited chances to get into the side??

The guy was making runs for fun the prior to seasons in all forms, and when an openers spot came up, he got looked over for Smith.

 

[Blue1980]

Bill Lawry would like a word.

Was Justin langer some big imposing guy? Michael slater? Chris Rogers?

 

[Bletch]

Pertinent point and one I have been pushing for ages. How is four overs seen as sufficient time for a Test quick to get sufficient kms into his legs. Josh Hazlewood insisted he play at least one shield game to get that. White ball cricket is the worst prep for a Test batsman. Steve smith was given one shield match. Ussie one too, Marnus tho played a couple.

Exactly.

To make it even worse, it dilutes the quality of the shield matches. Test players sit them out. We then run a short-form series v Pakistan, and all of those players sit out of shield as well. Not only are these players missing out on valuable red-ball cricket, but the Shield players aren't getting exposed to test quality opposition.

 

[Blue1980]

Most bowlers with an incredibly high strike rate do bowl a lot of trash.

That’s what comes with throwing the ball up

Bowlers like Bumrah are a rarity who have a low strike rate and are also hard to hit

Cummins too, as much as some are writing him off in this thread.

 

[Blue1980]

That is fair 100% there, can't rate him more than a B though he makes me pull my hair out!

I see him as about level with Mitchell Johnson without the dramatic highs and lows.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

My concern is the players run the show. They're established and the selectors/coach dont have the power to make the changes needed. Last year a classic example. Should have brought in an opener and given him a couple of summers to cement himself, instead they went with Smith (this after gifting warner a farewell tour despite poor form). Then this season, Smith seems to decide opening isn't that fun and moves back to 4, and we expose a debutant whos never opened in first class cricket to the new ball against one of the best quicks of his generation.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Cummins too, as much as some are writing him off in this thread.

He’s not Bumrah very very good bowler though. Bumrah is better though. There is a level he has that Cummins doesn’t

 

[eltrain]

Lalor on SEN saying that former Aus players apparently blowing up behind the scenes about Khawaja not facing the first ball yesterday

 

[Blue1980]

Yeah call be old fashioned but I'm a results kinda guy and like it when players make runs.

Pfft you’re just a soft soy sipping woke cuck.

We just need big guys in the team!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Maybe we name every fat bloke

Ben Manenti should get a call up lol

 

[Blue1980]

Australians mostly play county cricket and dominate, at least recently. A few Aus batsmen did have county stints, but South Africans and (surprisingly) English players were top of the Division 1 batting averages. The top nominally Australian plaer was Matt Renshaw as far as I could tell - 7 games for Somerset average 37 with no century and 3 50s.

Marnus did a good shift in div2, averaging 58 about the same as Beau Webster. However one Aus player beat them both out.

Bring back Peter Handscomb.
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At this point Handscomb has to be in the convo, can’t see him being a worse candidate for LBW than Smith is now.

 

[Woody15]

Lalor on SEN saying that former Aus players apparently blowing up behind the scenes about Khawaja not facing the first ball yesterday

And they would be correct.

Zero leadership.

 

[SC_Power]

it's comedic to think that the size of a batsmen matters in the slightest to a bowler. dumb theory that has no basis in reality

Smaller strike zone?

Oops, wrong sport.

 

[Belnakor]

And they would be correct.

Zero leadership.

Mcsweeney may have asked to face it

 

[Borisdog]

it's comedic to think that the size of a batsmen matters in the slightest to a bowler. dumb theory that has no basis in reality

It mattered to me.

I liked them shorter, meant you didn't have to dig the short one in as much.

I found the taller guys much harder to bowl to.

 

[Blue1980]

lol. No he wasn’t. He was 70 kilos during his playing days and only got close to ‘nuggety’ by the time he was in his mid to late 30s.

It’s just interesting all that stuff about every piece of data being wrong and you being right, hey.

Also mcsweeney is mid 20s, he will fill out more like langer did to a point.

I think it’s just trolling at this point, who is this mysterious big opener we need who isn’t in the side ?

 

[Woody15]

Mcsweeney may have asked to face it

Possibly. A cooler head might have talked him out of it.

McSweeney looked incredibly nervous.

 

[Belnakor]

Maybe a drop in confidence from having it shown to him, quite starkly, that no matter how many runs he scores hes got limited chances to get into the side??

The guy was making runs for fun the prior to seasons in all forms, and when an openers spot came up, he got looked over for Smith.

It’s a shit argument even without the fact that Bancroft was given a good run at test level and failed.

If you are good enough you just keep scoring runs. He went through the exact same patch a couple of years ago getting out super early. He’s just not a consistent batsman who does have runs of form but nothing shows us he is good enough for test.

 

[Headless]

Possibly. A cooler head might have talked him out of it.

McSweeney looked incredibly nervous.

Facing the first ball is way better for nerves than not IMO. Guess it depends on the individual.

 

[Nuggetz]

Simply put, India were prepared for a fight but Australia weren't.

 

[Belnakor]

Possibly. A cooler head might have talked him out of it.

McSweeney looked incredibly nervous.

Usman has never talked anyone out of anything is my vibe.

Mcsweeney probably said I reckon I prefer to face. Usman nodded and said all good bro.