2009 Big Footy Official Phantom Draft- The Real Deal (Discussion thread)

[Cruiser23]

If Carlton have the option of Jetta or Melksham in the real draft, I will be very happy.

As would i...

 

[adagio]

Yep Brown will stay in defense because of the knee injury.

Will he? Did Metropolis tell you that? Or Woosha himself?

Brown has always considered himself a forward, and at some stage in his career will probably move back there, whether that be 2010 or later on. Of course he might well stay in the backline too. Rest assured, the knee will have no influence on that.. he did it two years ago.

Bottom line is we need one more KP player. If Mitch could only play forward, it would have to be a CHB type. If Brown was a backman, we'd need the best available FF prospect. Luckily, Mitch can play both ends, so we have the luxury of being able to take a KP prospect if they're best available, regardless of whether they're more suited to the backline or the forward line.

Therefore the Talia pick makes perfect sense, especially considering he is equally capable at both ends as well. Our future spine could be:

FB: Mackenzie
CHB: Talia
CHF: Kennedy
FF: Brown

FB: Mackenzie
CHB: Brown
CHF: Kennedy
FF: Talia

Not to mention Mackenzie has the ability at both ends as well. And any of Kennedy, Brown and Talia could interchange between FF and CHF.

While it could be pulling the trigger a little early, I'd be more than comfortable with Talia at 7 in the real deal.

 

[Richo83]

Where does McKinley fit into this?

 

[ianh]

Just on Jetta at 12, whilst he gives us real pace and disposal skills (both of which we need) I am concerned that with his body type (and being 20 less propsect of bulking uo than a skinny 17yo) he will be limited to a purely outside role. I'd also consider Tapscott (less pace but more strength but question whether he's going to be able to bash and crash as effectively when playing men not boys) or Sheppard who has pace, magnificent kicking including depth, versatility, body strength and more of a defensive game or Melksham who although still skinny I now discover has put on 6 kg since the figure I had which is a year old and on that evidence one would expect will be able to bulk up more, can play inside or out and wins his own ball at ground level or in the air. I wouldn't be looking at anyone else at this point, I don't think any of the remaining talls rate pick 12 (I am not sold on Panos who plenty rate at this level) but any of these 4 would satisfy me. At a pinch I'd go Melksham given his increased bulk ahead of Tapscott who is a risk of being found out against men who he can't overpower with his bulk like he can the other under-agers

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Bombersno1 we are waiting

Well I can't say I am happy one bit. Would have rather Melksham.

 

[grub29]

Pick 14 - Sydney - Andrew Moore (Eastern Ranges) - 30/05/91 - 189cm,86kg

I must admit he wasn't the best player I still had available but in my quest to add some speed to the Sydney side I thought he was the best fit. His versatility is his best asset and at his best he is a terrific player who can take a game apart in a quarter. Has strong hands and neat skills but he just needs to get some more consistency in his game.

By the way, damn you Thunderstruck.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I personally really rate Moore but apparantly has big consistency issues so Jetta will be more than satisfactory for me. Simpson seems to be our only real hard-running linkmen and I'd think that with his age and body maturity he will be primed to participate next year

 

[Roar Metre]

It will be interesting to see who is available at 19 in terms of key position players for the Tiges - with Panos and Griffiths the only two left in my opinion worthy of pick 19 (when taken into comparison the quality of the mids available).

*Grub you have written Sydney as pick 15 in your above post, not that it matters but may cause some confusion.

 

[saladin]

my main worry on Rohan is decision making. not sure that the brain and thought-patterns can do justice to the legspeed. But at #10, anyone will have some queries on them in some form.

 

[swannies]

Talia to the Eagles makes no sense unless you are convinced he can make the move forward. Mitch Brown is our CHB and he has done an excellent job. We also have Eric Mackenzie and have just re-signed Will Schofield. Wilkes and Jordan Jones also wait in the wings. We are absolutely stacked with young KP defenders. If we go tall we will take a forward IMO, maybe Black or Butcher if he is available.

Brown is a forward, IMO, who does a decent job back, but if you saw him in his first attempts at CHB for East Freo, you wouldn't have been banking the house on him making the switch to defense.

Of those other list of names, Schofield will never be a KPB, IMO, Mackenzie is more suited to FB, IMHO, and of the remaining players Wilkes is the only CHB material and he won't be on the list after next year.

 

[swannies]

I think, without knowing a great deal about the Eagles list it is a smart move by swannies. Personally i don't rate Talia as a top 7 pick though due to the Eagles having picks 22 and 23, there is a very good chance two nice midfielders will be available. Talls are really at a premium this year and Talia is definitely one of the better ones. He's seemingly looked at the draft at a whole and tried to benefit from that. (just my observation, could be totally wrong). Personally I'd rather take the best available (within reason) but there are more than one way to skin a cat...

Thank C23, that's what I have done and I really rate Talia, plus, there are a heap of mid teens selections that need a KP and I didn't want leftovers. You're not going to get a KPP next year or the year after, for love nor money, IMO so you need to get them on the list now.

Yep Brown will stay in defense because of the knee injury. So even when Glass retires we still have Mackenzie FB and Brown CHB with Jones and Schofield to fight it out for the third tall position. Talia is just gravy at that point when we are crying out for another gun midfielder, a forward crumber and a FF.

I didn't really look forward because I rate Notte, perhaps foolishly , but I'll live with that. I want a natural defender, of which Brown is not one, again IMHO.

Cheers adagio, the reasoning lines up exactly with what I would be thinking.

 

[Thunderstruck]

Brown is a forward, IMO, who does a decent job back, but if you saw him in his first attempts at CHB for East Freo, you wouldn't have been banking the house on him making the switch to defense.

Of those other list of names, Schofield will never be a KPB, IMO, Mackenzie is more suited to FB, IMHO, and of the remaining players Wilkes is the only CHB material and he won't be on the list after next year.

I'll back you up here Swannies, Brown is not a defender and anyone who thinks he is is kidding themselves. A move forward for Brown would be wise and then you will need another defender and Talia is definitely the man for CHB. Bold selection@ 37 but I like it.

 

[Richo83]

Does anyone have any replies for my questions on the last page? Oh and aren't eagles fans ignoring McKinley?

 

[Shaymuhz]

Does anyone have any replies for my questions on the last page? Oh and aren't eagles fans ignoring McKinley?

at about 185cm he's considered too small to be a key forward. much better suited as a 3rd tall, leading fwd

 

[swannies]

Your right there TBU I would of jumped on him there.

If I was Swannies I would of very very strongly considered him at 7.

Considered, but not strongly. I was more focussed on getting a defender.

Does anyone have any replies for my questions on the last page? Oh and aren't eagles fans ignoring McKinley?

Griffiths looks like he could be a decent, or very good, KPF but I don't know enough about Vardy to say.

As to the tiers of mids, I really see it as 2 tiers. The first 2-3 and the rest, but that's my simplistic view. I really rate Gysberts, he looked very good in the VicM v WA match I saw him in, as did Talia and Toy, but that's another sad story (unless you're GC ).

McKinley, well Shaymuhz (thanks ) has answered beautifully and tbh, when Notte starts hitting his straps I'm not sure there's actually room for McKinley. You really need to be around the 195 mark to have a genuine impact at KP position and as everyone says, McKinley plays like a FF but is only 185, so the taller, mobile FBs will probably have a field day on him at FF.

I'll back you up here Swannies, Brown is not a defender and anyone who thinks he is is kidding themselves. A move forward for Brown would be wise and then you will need another defender and Talia is definitely the man for CHB. Bold selection@ 37 but I like it.

Thanks Ts. Yes, I see Brown as the natural forward and as Lions1024 said, Talia looks to be a more natural defender. Talia reminds me a lot of a young Jackovich, except Jako was playing CHF, but there is more value in them being in defense.

 

[coasting]

Thank C23, that's what I have done and I really rate Talia, plus, there are a heap of mid teens selections that need a KP and I didn't want leftovers. You're not going to get a KPP next year or the year after, for love nor money, IMO so you need to get them on the list now.



I didn't really look forward because I rate Notte, perhaps foolishly , but I'll live with that. I want a natural defender, of which Brown is not one, again IMHO.

Cheers adagio, the reasoning lines up exactly with what I would be thinking.

I like Notte as well, which is why we shouldn't be taking a tall at 7 unless it is a clear upgrade eg Butcher. You don't need to take tall defenders in the top 10 of the draft. There will still be good talls at pick 23 to choose from eg David Astbury.

 

[coasting]

I'll back you up here Swannies, Brown is not a defender and anyone who thinks he is is kidding themselves. A move forward for Brown would be wise and then you will need another defender and Talia is definitely the man for CHB. Bold selection@ 37 but I like it.

He is a defender and has played the vast majority of his career as a defender both in the AFL and as a junior. The coaches have already said publicly that he will be playing as a defender next year. He is injured and will have a limited preparation going into next season - there is no time in the offseason for him to train as a forward - just stick with what he does well already. The only reason he struggled early in the year was because he was coming back from a knee reconstruction. You should try watching more Eagles games.

 

[swannies]

I like Notte as well, which is why we shouldn't be taking a tall at 7 unless it is a clear upgrade eg Butcher. You don't need to take tall defenders in the top 10 of the draft. There will still be good talls at pick 23 to choose from eg David Astbury.

Yes, but not as good as Talia. If you're going to take a tall you may as well take the best, IMO.

He is a defender and has played the vast majority of his career as a defender both in the AFL and as a junior. The coaches have already said publicly that he will be playing as a defender next year. He is injured and will have a limited preparation going into next season - there is no time in the offseason for him to train as a forward - just stick with what he does well already. The only reason he struggled early in the year was because he was coming back from a knee reconstruction. You should try watching more Eagles games.

No, he played CHF as a junior from what I have read about him. I watched his first few games at East Freo, when he was first put back into defense, and his reading of the play was ordinary (at best), he certainly did not look like a natural defender. But we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

He is a defender and has played the vast majority of his career as a defender both in the AFL and as a junior. The coaches have already said publicly that he will be playing as a defender next year. He is injured and will have a limited preparation going into next season - there is no time in the offseason for him to train as a forward - just stick with what he does well already. The only reason he struggled early in the year was because he was coming back from a knee reconstruction. You should try watching more Eagles games.

Swannies and others (like myself) who do watch a lot of Eagles games share the same opinion as Thunderstruck re Brown as a forward.

Brown himself has said he'd rather play forward.

 

[Salaryman]

this is a heartwarming little WCE discussion, but somebody needs to seriously wake up bachar from his slumber

 

[coasting]

Swannies and others (like myself) who do watch a lot of Eagles games share the same opinion as Thunderstruck re Brown as a forward.

Brown himself has said he'd rather play forward.

Without being rude your opinion doesn't matter and he will be playing in defense in 2010

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

My opinion matters about as much as yours, i.e diddly squat.

Doesn't mean either of us is right or wrong.

 

[Thunderstruck]

Alright enough guys, time to put this thread back on track for what it is designed for i.e draft discussion not whether Brown is a forward or a back. WE have said our opinions, and I'm sure neither side of the arguement will budge on it so lets put it away.

I'm itching for the next selection to occur!

 

[Bachar43]

Sorry fellas year 12 exams, anywho...

#15 Western Bulldogs - Luke Tapscott (SA, Nth Adelaide)
Height: 180cm, Weight: 86kg, DOB: 28/06/91

Was originally after a key position forward with this pick but couldn't resist with Tapscott being available. Best player available IMO. Tapscott is a physically mature player who one would suspect will be up to the riggers AFL football in 2010. Has a very powerful and penetrating, yet neat, kick and can kick goals, as exhibited in the national championships. Inside clearance type midfeilder who could easily be a top 10 selection. I liken him to Luke Hodge for the obvious grunt, kicking ability and strength, although he probably has more pace than Hodge. With Wallis and Liberatore coming to the club in 2011, and Callan Ward already establishing himself, the four will make for a very strong midfeild quartet all born between 1990-92.

As mentioned I was planning on a KPF with pick 15 as the Doggies are crying out for a replacement for Barry Hall. So guys like Panos, Black and Griffiths were under consideration. However hopefully I can still nab a decent forward with pick 31.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Okay, so rounding out my picks:

Pick #16 - Port Adelaide - Koby Stevens (Gippsland Power) - 187cm, 84kg

The compliment to Kane Lucas, Koby Stevens is the cake to go with his cream. A traditional "footballer" type that combines old-school work ethic and courage with good size and versatility. He'll be good around the clearances, potentially capable of playing a defensive or tagging role, and he'll improve the tackle count of any team he plays in. Also has plenty of leadership potential, which could be good in a young, inconsistent Port Adelaide outfit. He will help Port with the loss of Burgoyne and, along with Lucas, will add some size to a smallish Port midfield.

I'm very happy to take him here with Tapscott off the board, who would have been the other one considered at this pick. I had also considered Ryan Bastinac, who I rate at this spot, but considered him too similar to Lucas. The other one was potentially drafting a ruck in Nathan Vardy, but in the end, Stevens was the pick.