2012 Trade Discussion

[jackess]

In that case:
IN: Moloney, Martin
OUT: Pick 53
Intact: Pick 8, 24, 33

Would be a good trade period.

Would be.

Probably retire Hudson, use those first 3 picks and elevate McKeever and Crisp or 4 picks and only elevate McKeever.

 

[Grimreepah]

trade chat

Silvagni on the trade table? any interest from other clubs?

Andrew Lowther: no interest in silvagni, we're told.

 

[BigCat2]

There's no need to elevate Crisp - he's been promising, but he's not yet a guaranteed first 22 player. List spots are tight - no disadvantage in keeping him as a rookie.

McKeever should be elevated. He's had his maximum of 3 years on the rookie list. Even if we just sign him up for 1 year as depth, given we have no developing young defenders beside him and Justin Clarke. Of course, this didn't save McCauley & McCulloch - we cut both of them anyway even when we had no ruck depth. However if McKeever was to be delisted, we should have heard about it by now.

 

[jackess]

There's no need to elevate Crisp - he's been promising, but he's not yet a guaranteed first 22 player. List spots are tight - no disadvantage in keeping him as a rookie.

McKeever should be elevated. He's had his maximum of 3 years on the rookie list. Even if we just sign him up for 1 year as depth, given we have no developing young defenders beside him and Justin Clarke. Of course, this didn't save McCauley & McCulloch - we cut both of them anyway even when we had no ruck depth. However if McKeever was to be delisted, we should have heard about it by now.

1. I might overrate rate him but I think he's probably in the best 30 to 32 at our club. He finished the season slowly and might not have the same level of improvement but I think a Rockliff-type pre-season could see him push for best 22 selection.

2. It might cost Crisp games if we don't have anyone on the LTI that's probably the only disadvantage.

 

[jackess]

Wow - basically Gysberts for Pedo straight swap. SMH.

 

[POBT]

Would be.

Probably retire Hudson, use those first 3 picks and elevate McKeever and Crisp or 4 picks and only elevate McKeever.

I haven't been keeping tabs on our list space but does that assume we also re-contract Bartlett and Cornelius?

 

[Cousin Jed]

Wow - basically Gysberts for Pedo straight swap. SMH.

Melbourne gave up the better draft pick and the better player. Stunning.

 

[jackess]

I haven't been keeping tabs on our list space but does that assume we also re-contract Bartlett and Cornelius?

Yeah. I might not have all the facts straight though.

 

[Cousin Jed]

I haven't been keeping tabs on our list space but does that assume we also re-contract Bartlett and Cornelius?

Yes.

 

[BigCat2]

1. I might overrate rate him but I think he's probably in the best 30 to 32 at our club. He finished the season slowly and might not have the same level of improvement but I think a Rockliff-type pre-season could see him push for best 22 selection.

2. It might cost Crisp games if we don't have anyone on the LTI that's probably the only disadvantage.

I agre with what you say. He's got some good attributes, excellent work ethic. Obviously the coaches rate him.

But the way things stand at the moment, changes to our senior list:
OUT = Buchanan, Drummond, Stiller, Hawksley, Sheldon, Retzlaff = 6
IN = Moloney, ?Martin, ?McKeever, Pick 8, Pick 24, Pick 33 = 6

If we elevate Crisp, it'll have to be:
- we retire Hudson (might already be onthe cards anyway with Martin brought in)
- delist McKeever
- delist Cornelius/Bartlett

Other than if Hudson was already on the way out, I would not promote Crisp at one of the other guys' expense.

 

[jackess]

I see the recruitment of Martin as the end of Hudson which might have been brought about by the new ruck rules.

 

[POBT]

I like the flexibility of keeping Crisp on the rookie list. Not saying he doesn't deserve promotion although I don't think he was that good this year to guarantee promotion.

 

[Haso]

I see the recruitment of Martin as the end of Hudson which might have been brought about by the new ruck rules.

If Huddo retires, we get Martin and he doesn't grow a magnificent beard, I will microwave my membership. Barely even joking.

 

[POBT]

I see the recruitment of Martin as the end of Hudson which might have been brought about by the new ruck rules.

It seems more than coincidental that our interest in Martin surfaced just after the change to the ruck rules were announced.

 

[Grimreepah]

Spangher and pick 72 to Hawks for pick 66

 

[Cousin Jed]

Hawthorn stockpiling "defenders" like GWS and high draft picks.

 

[Grimreepah]

Hawthorn stockpiling "defenders" like GWS and high draft picks.

Hawks also going after Toy.

 

[jackess]

So Cameron from the Tigers thinks they're done for the trade period. Might mean no Post for Karnezis trade.

 

[Grimreepah]

Wow - basically Gysberts for Pedo straight swap. SMH.

Melbourne downgrade pick 63 for pick 74 too.

 

[JasRulz63]

Spangher and pick 72 to Hawks for pick 66

Sydney dumping salaries so they can offer more to Tippett to try and out price other teams from drafting him? Trading him for White + 23 achieved two things; clearing White + draftee's salary and being able to backend deal.

Him going into the draft means they can't backend his massive deal without Tippett putting a smaller price tag on his head and risking other teams drafting him.

 

[Dare2beatthebear]

Have heard a whisper (and was mentioned on afl.com blog) that we're after Jeff Garlett from Carlton. THoughts? Pick 33 do it?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Saints would kill to have Goose Maguire back.

Too bad. So sad.

 

[Grimreepah]

@thelistmanager about to give every club a letter grade for their trading so far.

Stay tuned.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Have heard a whisper (and was mentioned on afl.com blog) that we're after Jeff Garlett from Carlton. THoughts? Pick 33 do it?

DO NOT WANT. Very weak over the ball.

 

[Haso]

Have heard a whisper (and was mentioned on afl.com blog) that we're after Jeff Garlett from Carlton. THoughts? Pick 33 do it?

Nice to see you again, Dare2beatthebear

Also, bleugh, we would have to scrub the Carlton germs off of him first.