Opinion 2014 Draft ( Live discussion ) Mod notice post #6629

[Coona Blues]

I like him too but lets not get crazy here. Taylor was an outstanding junior and was a bargain pick up for the lions.

"Love" Taylor, was part of a general statement. However, The diminutive South Australian was the standout of the Championships.
To suggest Taylor more impressive in draft year smacks of parochial Victorian thinking. Your "I like him too" prevents me from
making a stronger response.

Amazing how the overwhelming number of posters making draft predictions or desires only look in their own backyard

 

[No1Suspect]

What about Maynard? HARKER had solid raps on him. Pretty syck ryhmes.

Maynard Blakely Ellis De Goey Weller would be happy with either of those boys at 19

 

[HARKER]

What about Maynard? HARKER had solid raps on him. Pretty syck ryhmes.

I liked what I saw in three games..................I didn't see the other 20

He does though have AFL attributes and seems certain to get onto a list. Kid's an animal but #19 may be a reach.

 

[TGR]

"Love" Taylor, was part of a general statement. However, The diminutive South Australian was the standout of the Championships.
To suggest Taylor more impressive in draft year smacks of parochial Victorian thinking. Your "I like him too" prevents me from
making a stronger response.

Amazing how the overwhelming number of posters making draft predictions or desires only look in their own backyard

Yes I have a very blinkered view of the world.

Thank you for using restraint. I am forever in your debt.

 

[HARKER]

Yes I have a very blinkered view of the world.

Thank you for using restraint. I am forever in your debt.

Should you tell Coona Blues or should I?

 

[TGR]

Should you tell Coona Blues or should I?

Nah! He's as entitled to an opinion as anyone here. Just don't question him on it.

 

[No1Suspect]

I liked what I saw in three games..................I didn't see the other 20

He does though have AFL attributes and seems certain to get onto a list. Kid's an animal but #19 may be a reach.

28 then harks?

 

[Coona Blues]

Blinkers and arrogance.

How doe the concept of globalisation sit with you boys?

Me.....Not a fan of globalisation, but an a dinky di Aussie.
Just like Queensland extends north of the Sunshine Coast and west of Toowoomba, Australia is much bigger than Victoria.
So surprising you joining in Harker, we have been here before. All of your draft suggestions in the 3 years I have been
on here have been Vics. Don't know much about TGR, but from pocket pissing viewed earlier you two have a history.
Look after your mates, but do we have to have the condescending garbage.

I see a lot of ridiculous opinions on here but do not take it upon myself to belittle the individuals involved, it is a pity
some here thrive on it. Nice to see old mates reunited to attack someone they don't know for stating an opinion.
CD>LT based on NAB Championship showing, if you took the time to view my limited offerings on last year's draft
you would see my appreciation/liking for Taylor. Re rising star, amazing how many are crying foul over Taylor beating
out Bontempelli, dare I say because he is based in Brisbane, not Victoria. I reiterate your espoused knowledge and
comparison is misguided, in my humble opinion. To state I am entitled to it with such a "sneer" is sheer, unadulterated
arrogance BOYZ.

 

[HARKER]

Blinkers and arrogance.
How doe the concept of globalisation sit with you boys?
Me.....Not a fan of globalisation, but an a dinky di Aussie.
Just like Queensland extends north of the Sunshine Coast and west of Toowoomba, Australia is much bigger than Victoria.
So surprising you joining in Harker, we have been here before. All of your draft suggestions in the 3 years I have been
on here have been Vics. Don't know much about TGR, but from pocket pissing viewed earlier you two have a history.
Look after your mates, but do we have to have the condescending garbage.

I see a lot of ridiculous opinions on here but do not take it upon myself to belittle the individuals involved, it is a pity
some here thrive on it. Nice to see old mates reunited to attack someone they don't know for stating an opinion.
CD>LT based on NAB Championship showing, if you took the time to view my limited offerings on last year's draft
you would see my appreciation/liking for Taylor. Re rising star, amazing how many are crying foul over Taylor beating
out Bontempelli, dare I say because he is based in Brisbane, not Victoria. I reiterate your espoused knowledge and
comparison is misguided, in my humble opinion. To state I am entitled to it with such a "sneer" is sheer, unadulterated
arrogance BOYZ.

Didn't mean anything bad by that Coona Blues but I can understand how you may have seen this to be the case.

I don't know TGR but know through history that he's been more than just a quiet follower of the underage competition.
You may well be also for all I know, as there are several very keen observers across these boards.
I only got to finals this year so I'm as novice as you can get but nevertheless you can pick up things even through limited viewing.

Anyway, that's all I was getting at but as he said, everyone's entitled to their opinions.

 

[TGR]

Blinkers and arrogance.

How doe the concept of globalisation sit with you boys?

Me.....Not a fan of globalisation, but an a dinky di Aussie.
Just like Queensland extends north of the Sunshine Coast and west of Toowoomba, Australia is much bigger than Victoria.
So surprising you joining in Harker, we have been here before. All of your draft suggestions in the 3 years I have been
on here have been Vics. Don't know much about TGR, but from pocket pissing viewed earlier you two have a history.
Look after your mates, but do we have to have the condescending garbage.

I see a lot of ridiculous opinions on here but do not take it upon myself to belittle the individuals involved, it is a pity
some here thrive on it. Nice to see old mates reunited to attack someone they don't know for stating an opinion.
CD>LT based on NAB Championship showing, if you took the time to view my limited offerings on last year's draft
you would see my appreciation/liking for Taylor. Re rising star, amazing how many are crying foul over Taylor beating
out Bontempelli, dare I say because he is based in Brisbane, not Victoria. I reiterate your espoused knowledge and
comparison is misguided, in my humble opinion. To state I am entitled to it with such a "sneer" is sheer, unadulterated
arrogance BOYZ.

Don't worry Coona I have plenty of time for you and your boys up north also. Had both Tippet and Beams much higher up the boards than they went in their draft years.

Do you not think that Lewi has a couple of weapons that set him aside from Daniel? Pace and penetration by foot just for starters. I'm not out to denigrate Caleb, he's a fine footballer who deserves his place in the big league and I believe he'll get it.

 

[Coona Blues]

Don't worry Coona I have plenty of time for you and your boys up north also. Had both Tippet and Beams much higher up the boards than they went in their draft years.

Do you not think that Lewi has a couple of weapons that set him aside from Daniel? Pace and penetration by foot just for starters. I'm not out to denigrate Caleb, he's a fine footballer who deserves his place in the big league and I believe he'll get it.

Cheers TGR/Harker, thanks for taking the heat out of my perceptions.

My opinion as stated, is based on NAB Championships. The only fair(ish) way of lining up the states. No doubt some very talented boys do not get to show their wares at this level, despite in some cases being better qualified. I view all of the offerings from pretty much all posters and the limited media I get.
This only provides a broad overview unfortunately, I do not get the access you blokes do(to Vics predominantly). I therefore rely on those I see in the championships to draw some opinions, fully cognisant that players carry niggles, play less suitable roles etc .

Lewy is more forward/outside mid, while Caleb showed his wares in the engine room in the winning state team. No way am I categorically stating he will be a better footballer long term. I readily concede he would likely have some issue with the physicality at top level. Guess like most I am more focussed on genuine midfielders/KPP's. Actually watched the replays I had of SA games looking for flaws in Caleb's game. Hard to find any. People look for go slows when a player does not fit the blueprint, reasons not to pick. Despite being small he does not have to have elite pace to offset. He gets the pill(leather poisoning), he has vision, he hits the targets, he kicks goals.

Lewy played/plays more of an outside/peripheral role and has the luxury of doing so, not saying doesn't have the tools to move inside. Caleb showed himself a ball winning, elite distributing mid at underage level, playing SANFL (not sure how is going), so is physically seasoned. The majority of the AFL's premium mids have no more pace than Caleb, too many perceive the need tor "tricks." S.Mitchell, even Brock show the most necessary tools, CD has them. Lost nothing re strength against the bigger bodies underage, seems professional and singularly determined.

Much bigger chance of becoming elite than so many bread and butter types being thrown up as higher picks. Hard to get top liners with mid range picks.
Just see low risk, very high reward.

 

[TGR]

Cheers TGR/Harker, thanks for taking the heat out of my perceptions.

My opinion as stated, is based on NAB Championships. The only fair(ish) way of lining up the states. No doubt some very talented boys do not get to show their wares at this level, despite in some cases being better qualified. I view all of the offerings from pretty much all posters and the limited media I get.
This only provides a broad overview unfortunately, I do not get the access you blokes do(to Vics predominantly). I therefore rely on those I see in the championships to draw some opinions, fully cognisant that players carry niggles, play less suitable roles etc .

Lewy is more forward/outside mid, while Caleb showed his wares in the engine room in the winning state team. No way am I categorically stating he will be a better footballer long term. I readily concede he would likely have some issue with the physicality at top level. Guess like most I am more focussed on genuine midfielders/KPP's. Actually watched the replays I had of SA games looking for flaws in Caleb's game. Hard to find any. People look for go slows when a player does not fit the blueprint, reasons not to pick. Despite being small he does not have to have elite pace to offset. He gets the pill(leather poisoning), he has vision, he hits the targets, he kicks goals.

Lewy played/plays more of an outside/peripheral role and has the luxury of doing so, not saying doesn't have the tools to move inside. Caleb showed himself a ball winning, elite distributing mid at underage level, playing SANFL (not sure how is going), so is physically seasoned. The majority of the AFL's premium mids have no more pace than Caleb, too many perceive the need tor "tricks." S.Mitchell, even Brock show the most necessary tools, CD has them. Lost nothing re strength against the bigger bodies underage, seems professional and singularly determined.

Much bigger chance of becoming elite than so many bread and butter types being thrown up as higher picks. Hard to get top liners with mid range picks.
Just see low risk, very high reward.

Thats an excellent post. There will be a bit of a red flag with his size with some I'm sure.
Talent is talent and he has delivered at the same level where his peers are being measured. I'm a fan and would love to see him at Carlton. Particularly as we have and are acquiring plenty of big bodied mids. He would complement them well.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Lemm... who do you see around the 19 mark? If Goddard is there to do we take him? or someone like De Goey?

I honestly have not considering doing any form of mock draft. (Just got back from a 5 week holiday)

Goddard is a very solid defender and he would not be a terrible option down back, he certainly has a body shape to play on those big forwards. Interesting to see his pace off the mark, in game it seems fine. I was not the biggest fan of Goddard when he was being talked about as a top 10 pick, now that he is drifting down the list he could be a good pick. His forward work was a little missing and he looked best down back. I think Lamb is in the same boat, looked a little lost up forward but looked dangerous in the back half. I don't mind Lamb as an option, depending on where he ends up in the draft list.

I really want someone like Ellis if he manages to slip down the order, we need some nice outside skill and is not hopeless inside. I really liked the look of Kyle Langford as well, not sure where he is being projected to land at the moment.

De Goey has a little Cripps feel about him, not sure I want two players that seem the same to me.

Each year there are players that drop down the order that people would call the board crazy. (Darling a prime example)

Carlton I feel really needs some quality ball users and hardness at the ball, I would focus on kicking skills or insane x factor with early picks and some solid role players down the order.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Caleb is going to be a very interesting prospect on draft day and no doubt within clubs he will cause some difference on rankings. Personally if I was in charge, I would not be using a pick with the first 25 on such a player, others on this board and even in the recruiting world may think differently, that is half the fun of this game.

 

[marleyblue]

Caleb is going to be a very interesting prospect on draft day and no doubt within clubs he will cause some difference on rankings. Personally if I was in charge, I would not be using a pick with the first 25 on such a player, others on this board and even in the recruiting world may think differently, that is half the fun of this game.

How about the first 28

 

[Azul]

Caleb Daniel will be gone by our pick 61, if he's as dependable as Boomer Harvey.

 

[BlueTongue]

I really want someone like Ellis if he manages to slip down the order, we need some nice outside skill and is not hopeless inside. I really liked the look of Kyle Langford as well, not sure where he is being projected to land at the moment.

I'm with you there Lemmy \m/ \m/

 

[LemmingMaster]

How about the first 28

Pick 28 in the draft and who we rate at 28th are two separate issues. I would hope that a player we rank in the top 15-20 would still be on the board at pick 28 and personally I would not pick Caleb with that selection.

I'm just not willing to bank on him being a once a decade styled player, based on players his height.

 

[BlackGoanna]

Pick 19 - Hope either Weller or Duggan slip, need a classy mid who can use the ball. Ellis should be available as a back up at 19.

Pick 28 - Best available, really like Cockatoo and Neal-Bullen who will both be around the mark. I suspect Lamb and Langford will be gone in the high teens or low twenties.

 

[TerryWallet]

Pick 19 - Hope either Weller or Duggan slip, need a classy mid who can use the ball. Ellis should be available as a back up at 19.

Pick 28 - Best available, really like Cockatoo and Neal-Bullen who will both be around the mark. I suspect Lamb and Langford will be gone in the high teens or low twenties.

Interesting.

Did a Phantom last nite including who it looks like having the Picks after Trade Period. Made it as realistic as possible.

Just so happened i had us getting Duggan at 19 and Neil-Bullen at 28.

Had Wellar at WC with 11, Lamb at 13 to Freo, Langford at 15 to GC, Cockatoo at 16 to NM, and Ellis at 23 to Melb.

 

[HBF]

Pick 19 - Hope either Weller or Duggan slip, need a classy mid who can use the ball. Ellis should be available as a back up at 19.

Pick 28 - Best available, really like Cockatoo and Neal-Bullen who will both be around the mark. I suspect Lamb and Langford will be gone in the high teens or low twenties.

Can't see Wellar and Duggan slipping, but I think Ellis could be there at #19.
Whatever happens, can see us getting a very good one at #19.

 

[HARKER]

Things will obviously change as it gets closer to the draft but let's list who we won't see for the fun of it.

1. Petracca 2. Brayshaw 3. Wright 4. McCartin 5. Weller 6. Moore 7. Heeney 8. Lever 9. Durdin 10. Pickett 11. Laverde

Players that may be likely available thereafter at #19:

12. De Goey 13. Ahern 14. Marchbank 15. Goddard 16. Langford 17. Duggan 18. Ellis 19. Garlett 20. Menadue 21. Blakely 22. Cockatoo

It may well come from someone not listed here but which players wouldn't we want in the above list?

 

[Azul]

19 Menadue
28 Wigg

 

[LemmingMaster]

Heeney is pick 18 or something I thought?

 

[Jeremias]

Heeney is pick 19 or something I thought?

Heeney is locked in to Sydney at pick 18.

GWS received pick 19 from Hawthorn for O'Rourke, and that pick looks almost certain to come to us in the Jaksch trade.