Toast 2014 National Draft, pick #31 - welcome to Hawthorn Daniel Howe

[Manila_Hawk]

What is it like when he gives you the crazy eyes?
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Just quietly, he's crazy to stay with my daughter.... so all good !!

 

[Hawkas1988]

Didn't realise he came equal 2nd in the kicking test at draft combine.

What was the target that year , kicking it through an airplane hangers door ?

He's a very good kick.

 

[Tall Tales and True]

Wasn't he a defender as a kid?

On SM-G973F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Wasn't he a defender as a kid?

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Yes, a mobile defender.

 

[Brishawk]

Wasn't he a defender as a kid?

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Yes but he had played some midfield time and very early on at the club they spoke about his potential as a midfielder.

 

[threesixpio]

What is it like when he gives you the crazy eyes?
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Monopoly

“Ha ha. You landed on Mayfair with four hotels!!”

Crazy eyes

“Oops I think I miscounted and you reached go and I’m pretty sure you didn’t collect 200 last time so let’s make it 400”

During dinner

“Im afraid there are no seconds because we need some leftovers for tomorrow and…”

Crazy eyes

“Look um ….on second thoughts….arr…we’ll um get take away tomorrow night and …actually I think I could even get some extra snacks out now and”

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Monopoly

“Ha ha. You landed on Mayfair with four hotels!!”

Crazy eyes

“Oops I think I miscounted and you reached go and I’m pretty sure you didn’t collect 200 last time so let’s make it 400”

During dinner

“Im afraid there are no seconds because we need some leftovers for tomorrow and…”

Crazy eyes

“Look um ….on second thoughts….arr…we’ll um get take away tomorrow night and …actually I think I could even get some extra snacks out now and”

Village of the Dans.

 

[Brant]

The players in the premiership side dubbed Howe “the future” at one stage. Not sure how tongue it in cheek it was, but there was talk that he was going to be that bigger bodied mid, to counter players like Fyfe.

He’s never hit the heights that they thought he would.

In fairness, the side has been sh*t for a lot of that period & he’d not be the first or only player not to flourish in that time, that has recently looked much better.

I've been on the "he's a good squad player, but we need to force him out of the side to improve" team for a couple of years now, but in a new environment & with a new plan, he could do quite well winning* contested ball out on the wing.

*or at least halving the contest & forcing a stoppage.

 

[TheFourPillars]

In fairness, the side has been sh*t for a lot of that period & he’d not be the first or only player not to flourish in that time, that has recently looked much better.

I've been on the "he's a good squad player, but we need to force him out of the side to improve" team for a couple of years now, but in a new environment & with a new plan, he could do quite well winning* contested ball out on the wing.

*or at least halving the contest & forcing a stoppage.

He was also injured for the best part of 15 months which pushed him back. He looks fitter and stronger than ever. He is a footballer. Courageous hard at it and great over head. Think andy gowers. Its been done before in a premiership side. If some one like Day pushes him out of the side then so be it till then...

 

[JZedd]

In fairness, the side has been sh*t for a lot of that period & he’d not be the first or only player not to flourish in that time, that has recently looked much better.

I've been on the "he's a good squad player, but we need to force him out of the side to improve" team for a couple of years now, but in a new environment & with a new plan, he could do quite well winning* contested ball out on the wing.

*or at least halving the contest & forcing a stoppage.

You make an important point Brant. Under Sammy it is certainly a new environment. And he is one, along with Morrison who may blossom this season.

Personally, I'm giving every player a clean slate under Mitchell and will wait to see what happens...

A defend first mantra under Clarko has had its benefits. Our team won't forget how to defend but we can't get very far without having offense being a big priority. Having the right mindset before the opening bounce is critical.

Plus we now have a defense which loves to attack and has the talent that needs to go with it. Am very pumped to watch this group develop together.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

In fairness, the side has been sh*t for a lot of that period & he’d not be the first or only player not to flourish in that time, that has recently looked much better.

I've been on the "he's a good squad player, but we need to force him out of the side to improve" team for a couple of years now, but in a new environment & with a new plan, he could do quite well winning* contested ball out on the wing.

*or at least halving the contest & forcing a stoppage.

This may be true, but logic tells me that if Sam and the footy department thought that he was capable of being that player on a consistent basis in our best 22 they wouldn’t have told him to look for a trade.

 

[KermitJagger]

This may be true, but logic tells me that if Sam and the footy department thought that he was capable of being that player on a consistent basis in our best 22 they wouldn’t have told him to look for a trade.

Wouldn't be the first player to be shopped around before making the club change their mind. Port would have let go of Amon without blinking a few years back.

 

[grumbleguts]

Last season I was giving him heaps, so slow to make decisions, gave me the sh!ts for te first half. That centering ball in the geelong game with seconds to go. I was calling for his head. Would have liked nothing better than to see him leave training in a car boot.

But the second half of the year he turned things around so much, I thought he was one of our best and was I willing to eat some humble pie where he was concerned.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wouldn't be the first player to be shopped around before making the club change their mind. Port would have let go of Amon without blinking a few years back.

Odd comparison.

Amon was 23 and had been underwhelming, Howe was 25 and coming off his best year.

 

[Brishawk]

Odd comparison.

Amon was 23 and had been underwhelming, Howe was 25 and coming off his best year.

And we thought we could get something good for him but the deal didn’t work out. I think it was more of a sign of how valuable they thought this draft was than how much they didn’t think Howe fit our short term needs.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

And we thought we could get something good for him but the deal didn’t work out. I think it was more of a sign of how valuable they thought this draft was than how much they didn’t think Howe fit our short term needs.

Not sure.
Considering he was given a 12 month contract when no trade was done my reading of the tea-leaves is that they see him as a best 25 player who they thought they could get something for and that would be no great loss to the list.

 

[Yardie]

Not sure.
Considering he was given a 12 month contract when no trade was done my reading of the tea-leaves is that they see him as a best 25 player who they thought they could get something for and that would be no great loss to the list.

It might be a possibility that given that Sydney were very keen and couldn't get the cap space to take him that everyone agreed to a 12 month extension.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Odd comparison.

Amon was 23 and had been underwhelming, Howe was 25 and coming off his best year.

Yeah Amon improved dramatically after they considered moving him. Howe improved dramatically and the club still considered moving him on.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Not sure.
Considering he was given a 12 month contract when no trade was done my reading of the tea-leaves is that they see him as a best 25 player who they thought they could get something for and that would be no great loss to the list.

A 12 month contract is best for both him and the Hawks given he is a FA at the end of this season. He has a good year again and has suitors we may be happy to let him go for the compo. Or if not we lock him away for a few years. Plenty of players have played out of their skin in their last season of their contract.

I'm not sure that the 12 months represents our view on him being best 22 or not I thinks it's more about us saying to him you have been very injury prone so we need to see another season like 2021 before we get serious with offering a longer term.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I'm not sure that the 12 months represents our view on him being best 22 or not I thinks it's more about us saying to him you have been very injury prone so we need to see another season like 2021 before we get serious with offering a longer term.

Combine it with telling him that he’s up trade and I think it might.

 

[MrPremiership]

Just because you put a player up for trade, doesn't mean you don't think he's best 22. I mean, we did that to Tom, JOM, Breust, etc just 3 months ago.

But list management is much more complicated than that.



Howe is best 22 at Round 1. Whether he stays there is up to him

 

[cryptor]

Just because you put a player up for trade, doesn't mean you don't think he's best 22. I mean, we did that to Tom, JOM, Breust, etc just 3 months ago.

But list management is much more complicated than that.



Howe is best 22 at Round 1. Whether he stays there is up to him

I agree Howe is best 22 currently. But I can also see him not being named round 1. Sam might want to reward a few of the younger boys for strong pre-seasons by naming them for round 1 against last years wooden spooners. Not because he thinks they'll be easy beats but because they'll also have quite a few younger guys, so experience and conditioning will be more equal.

If Sam does this then guys like Howe will probably be the ones to make way. He'd then play at BHH and dominate consistently (if he is indeed senior side best 22). Give it a couple weeks and we'll have an injury, or someone will be out of form, or one of those young guys will need to work on something at VFL level and then Howe will come back in.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Just because you put a player up for trade, doesn't mean you don't think he's best 22. I mean, we did that to Tom, JOM, Breust, etc just 3 months ago.

But list management is much more complicated than that.



Howe is best 22 at Round 1. Whether he stays there is up to him

There’s nuance in the point that needs to be considered.

JOM, Tom and Breust weren’t told to look around. They were told that if something came up that was of interest that the conversation would be had. Mainly because the club was thinking that a good draft bounty was on offer should one of them land at another club.

I don’t believe Howe was told he was on the table for the same reason, so they’re different things.

I’m also not sure he’s best 22 if everyone is fit and available in 2021, let alone 2022 with a new coach wanting to find the next gen.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Just because you put a player up for trade, doesn't mean you don't think he's best 22. I mean, we did that to Tom, JOM, Breust, etc just 3 months ago.

But list management is much more complicated than that.



Howe is best 22 at Round 1. Whether he stays there is up to him

There's a difference between considering options if one was to come in, compared to being told to actively look for a trade.

Also those three are much better and established players.

 

[MrPremiership]

There's a difference between considering options if one was to come in, compared to being told to actively look for a trade.

Also those three are much better and established players.

or even the club actively looking for trade offers to improve draft hand.....

Just saying that none of those situations are relevant to a player's position in a team.