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Think i answered that particular point earlier in this discussionSo by your definition, Shane Woewodin and Matt Priddis are elite. If those two are, surely Sloane is too?
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Think i answered that particular point earlier in this discussionSo by your definition, Shane Woewodin and Matt Priddis are elite. If those two are, surely Sloane is too?
Yeah noticed that, hence my post after the one you quotedThink i answered that particular point earlier in this discussion
That's foolish to use stats as an indicator of a players Eliteness ......that makes Ryan Crowley an elite player as a tagger
To me, and this just my opinion ...Elite = Champion of the sport
AFL uses its champion players to be ambassadors for the sport, it's public face, and pays a marketing fee accordingly
Is Sloane the public face of the AFL ? .....or Crowley?
I think he pushed 30odd this past season. The emphasis was on the damaging part. I don't rate his disposals as damaging as others and I'd much prefer Sam Mitchell/Pendles damaging to Dane Swans piggyness regardless of the stat count.
I honestly believe he can do both.Rack up more possession and use it in a more damaging way. I would say that both of your examples used the ball in a more damaging way than present day Rory.
The only way for a (Cat A) player to be placed on the rookie list is for them to nominate for and be drafted in the rookie draft. For a senior listed player to go on the rookie list, they would first have to be delisted. They would then have to nominate for the ND and/or PSD and not be selected by any club. Their nomination would then carry over to the RD, where they could be selected.I understand it can happen and most often does. I'm aware that players who are elevated in-season from the rookie list can return. But to get a contracted senior list player there I'd guess requires delisting and the rookieing as 2 seperate events. The second event would require the player to nominate, which they might choose not to do.
I think we should ask one of our resident specialists in Vader or Bacon8 . They're normally up to speed with player rules.
That's an impossible thing to compare though, because their 10 best players don't necessarily play the same positions as ours.Our best 10 players would get games for the Hawks, problem is most of them would be behind the Hawks best 10 players!
Tagger is a role, not a position. Therefore your point is moot.That's foolish to use stats as an indicator of a players Eliteness ......that makes Ryan Crowley an elite player as a tagger
To me, and this just my opinion ...Elite = Champion of the sport
AFL uses its champion players to be ambassadors for the sport, it's public face, and pays a marketing fee accordingly
Is Sloane the public face of the AFL ? .....or Crowley?
FWIW I reckon this year will be the year that tells us whether Sloane is elite or not. He has played 2nd fiddle to Dangerfield for the past 4 years (3rd fiddle to him and Thommo in 2012 IMO).
Lucky they didn't get Grigg the same gift.Douglas said for the player's Kris Kringle someone got Jarryd Lyons a Sub vest.![]()
Douglas said for the player's Kris Kringle someone got Jarryd Lyons a Sub vest.![]()
I disagree, I don't think the point of difference with the Hawks is the best 10, I think our best 10 match theirs, some better some worse but pretty close. The Difference with the hawks over the last 3-4 years and the rest of the comp is the standard of their 11-22 players. They just had 22 playing each week while the rest of the comp carry 4-5 players each week. We all know which players they are in our side.Our best 10 players would get games for the Hawks, problem is most of them would be behind the Hawks best 10 players!
I disagree, I don't think the point of difference with the Hawks is the best 10, I think our best 10 match theirs, some better some worse but pretty close. The Difference with the hawks over the last 3-4 years and the rest of the comp is the standard of their 11-22 players. They just had 22 playing each week while the rest of the comp carry 4-5 players each week. We all know which players they are in our side.
That's why I was really happy with our off season, yes we lost one of our "elite". But we improved the quality of those competing for 11-22. We aren't talking "how can we fill this spot" we are talking "which player will beat out his competition for this spot". That is a sign of a good side.
Great post. They aren't saying "Aaron Keating has a premiership medal" to justify the inclusion of perennial strugglers.I disagree, I don't think the point of difference with the Hawks is the best 10, I think our best 10 match theirs, some better some worse but pretty close. The Difference with the hawks over the last 3-4 years and the rest of the comp is the standard of their 11-22 players. They just had 22 playing each week while the rest of the comp carry 4-5 players each week. We all know which players they are in our side.
That's why I was really happy with our off season, yes we lost one of our "elite". But we improved the quality of those competing for 11-22. We aren't talking "how can we fill this spot" we are talking "which player will beat out his competition for this spot". That is a sign of a good side.
Or JaenschThat has Tex written all over it ...
Vader used this the other day!Great post. They aren't saying "Aaron Keating has a premiership medal" to justify the inclusion of perennial strugglers.
MVP debate - Iguodala.
Elite debate - the dumbest on bigfooty. Complete wank. Some players are better than others. Some players are better than a lot of others. Who you think is the best and who I think are the best will be sensitive to so many things which fall down to personal preferences (you like good kicks, I like contested marks, someone else likes hard ball winners) and also which games you watch, how much you trust your own eye vs media ejaculation. And then we all draw the line of elite at different places.
It's ******* ridiculous.
Bang. Game over. There is no other argument & I'm not a Warriors fan.You do know, Andrea Iguodula is a 3 time NBA All star, all defensive first and second team, Olympic gold medalist.
He then took a 6th man role to help the team. He is still an elite NBA player.
or B CrouchOr Jaensch
Agree with the fact that our depth is significantly better now now. Hopefully we never see the likes of VB and Mackay again. And wright is definitely out.I disagree, I don't think the point of difference with the Hawks is the best 10, I think our best 10 match theirs, some better some worse but pretty close. The Difference with the hawks over the last 3-4 years and the rest of the comp is the standard of their 11-22 players. They just had 22 playing each week while the rest of the comp carry 4-5 players each week. We all know which players they are in our side.
That's why I was really happy with our off season, yes we lost one of our "elite". But we improved the quality of those competing for 11-22. We aren't talking "how can we fill this spot" we are talking "which player will beat out his competition for this spot". That is a sign of a good side.
You do know he got the NBA finals MVP for guarding LeBron James. And that the relevance of the MVP debate to this thread came about by you saying that people don't win individual awards for defensive roles. (Edit: add Kawhi Leonard to the same category - the last 2 NBA Finals MVPs have pretty much got the gong for stopping LeBron).You do know, Andrea Iguodula is a 3 time NBA All star, all defensive first and second team, Olympic gold medalist.
He then took a 6th man role to help the team. He is still an elite NBA player.
You do know he got the NBA finals MVP for guarding LeBron James. And that the relevance of the MVP debate to this thread came about by you saying that people don't win individual awards for defensive roles.
Having criticized the "elite" debate (which is already well off topic), I won't perpetuate it in a whole other sport in relation to Andre Iguodala. He was an outstanding player and is still a good player.
Or even smithor B Crouch