List Mgmt. 2015 Draft, Trades and Retirements Thread Pt 1

[Number37]

Trading Hanners and Bird would get us Mills and Dunkly (if he wants to come) with an improved position in the 2015 draft and no impact to the 2016 draft.

This is what the Swans will be predicted to start with:

Picks 17, 35,53,71

Trade Hanners for pick 1 and Bird for 26.

We now have before the live draft:

1,17,26,35,53,71

What do we now do: (These predictions are made using the points table)
- We bid pick 1 for Mills and get a 20% discount and score 600 points.
- We use those 600 points to upgrade pick 17 to pick 8.
- We use pick 8 to get Dunkley (if no earlier bids) and get a 20% discount and 310 points.
- With 310 points and 74 left over from the pick 17 to pick 8 upgrade we now have 384 for another upgrade.
- Let us now upgrade pick 26 to pick 15. We now have one point to spare.

What we now have:

Mills
Dunkley
Pick 15
Pick 35
Pick 53 if you want to use it.
Extra Salary Cap room.
No impact to 2016 draft.

What we lost

- Hanners (Big loss but hoping Heeney can step into his role).
- Bird (Being kept out by Mitchell anyway and Mitchell is younger).

I don't think this deal is bad at all.

An established gun for a maybe? No thanks.
You don't trade players of the calibre of Hannebery unless they want to leave.
The smart move is to give up draft picks because you are essentially betting that this years kid is better than a kid next year.
Betting that a kid is going to be better than a gun is a not a smart play.

 

[SSwans2011]

Trading Hanners and Bird would get us Mills and Dunkly (if he wants to come) with an improved position in the 2015 draft and no impact to the 2016 draft.

This is what the Swans will be predicted to start with:

Picks 17, 35,53,71

Trade Hanners for pick 1 and Bird for 26.

We now have before the live draft:

1,17,26,35,53,71

What do we now do: (These predictions are made using the points table)
- We bid pick 1 for Mills and get a 20% discount and score 600 points.
- We use those 600 points to upgrade pick 17 to pick 8.
- We use pick 8 to get Dunkley (if no earlier bids) and get a 20% discount and 310 points.
- With 310 points and 74 left over from the pick 17 to pick 8 upgrade we now have 384 for another upgrade.
- Let us now upgrade pick 26 to pick 15. We now have one point to spare.

What we now have:

Mills
Dunkley
Pick 15
Pick 35
Pick 53 if you want to use it.
Extra Salary Cap room.
No impact to 2016 draft.

What we lost

- Hanners (Big loss but hoping Heeney can step into his role).
- Bird (Being kept out by Mitchell anyway and Mitchell is younger).

I don't think this deal is bad at all.

Trading Hanners and Bird for two untried rookies and an 8-pick upgrade? Yeah, nah.

No guarantee we'd get pick 1 for him either. He's worth it, but he has to actually want to go to the club we're trading him to for them to be interested. He's been immense so far this year too.

 

[Jeffers]

Reckon ex Brisbane Premiership player Tim Notting says it perfectly in his tweet.

 

[Greg Ryan]

Trading Hanners and Bird for two untried rookies and an 8-pick upgrade? Yeah, nah.

No guarantee we'd get pick 1 for him either. He's worth it, but he has to actually want to go to the club we're trading him to for them to be interested. He's been immense so far this year too.

I would only trade Hanners back to Victroria if he wanted to go. There are rumours floating around football journalists that he is eying a move home. The only Melborne clubs likely to finnish last are Carlton, Melborne or St Kilda. I think the lists of Brisbane and GCS are stronger than their current position and neither will be bottom two. I think Paul Roos would part with pick 1 for Hanners and Carlton would need another elite midfielder with Judd retiring. Put it this way Hanners had shown more than Trent Croad to be worth pick 1.

I hope that there is an agreement between the four northern academy clubs that they will never bid each others academy players regardless of ladder position.

 

[Chaisa]

Are they allowing the trading of future picks?

Else there's very little chance of getting both. Even getting one might not be worth it.

 

[Ticky009]

I would only trade Hanners back to Victroria if he wanted to go. There are rumours floating around football journalists that he is eying a move home.

Hanners put his house up for sale = him moving back to Vic = Melb journos having a field day. Hell, everyone in Sydney is selling at the moment.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Are they allowing the trading of future picks?

Else there's very little chance of getting both. Even getting one might not be worth it.

Yes you can trade 2016 picks this season.

 

[RW]

I would only trade Hanners back to Victroria if he wanted to go. There are rumours floating around football journalists that he is eying a move home. The only Melborne clubs likely to finnish last are Carlton, Melborne or St Kilda. I think the lists of Brisbane and GCS are stronger than their current position and neither will be bottom two. I think Paul Roos would part with pick 1 for Hanners and Carlton would need another elite midfielder with Judd retiring. Put it this way Hanners had shown more than Trent Croad to be worth pick 1.

You've said exactly the same thing several times now, this is an old rumour that was never confirmed.

 

[The King!]

Can we rename the thread hanners sold a house we bloody well know

 

[Swansujelly]

Can we rename the thread hanners sold a house we bloody well know

and bought it under an alias, or with a dodgy abn, or whatever it takes to live in Sydney..

 

[Ticky009]

and bought it under an alias, or with a dodgy abn, or whatever it takes to live in Sydney..

Uses COLA to gain boost up in rampant Sydney housing market

 

[Chaisa]

Aware I'll probably get shouted down for this but...is it really worth getting Dunkley?

I mean it's obviously very nice to have him....but we need inside mids with average skills like we need a bullet to the head.

We'll probably have to write off both this year and next year's draft to get Mills and Dunkley barring trades...and in our current situation I want to keep as much of our squad as possible. And our list has some serious deficiencies.....so I want to have some decent draft picks.

Mills is a bit different as he's more balanced, the better player and as he's from Sydney probably better for marketing.

 

[swansfan51]

There is no proof Mills will be the better player - way too early. And I debate whether his skills are better than Dunkley's - the first half of his u18 highlights tape from last year is a clanger reel. Knightmare agrees he is below average. One is the son of a club champion, I'm backing him and I think respecting our history is important.

 

[MF]

I understand that Mills & Dunkley are important targets for our future, but there's no guarantee those guys will be part of a premiership contending team. Right now we're smack bang in the middle of probably the biggest & best premiership window this clubs had in it's entire history and we have an ageing Ted Richards to replace next season. I'd like to think we're just as serious about addressing this problem as we are about securing Mills & Dunkley.

I fail to see how we can get both these kids and address our issues in defence without trading out some valuable talent. Realistically if we want a ready made key defender we'd need to give up a late first rounder or equivalent just for a fringe key defender with potential.

 

[Number37]

Aware I'll probably get shouted down for this but...is it really worth getting Dunkley?

I mean it's obviously very nice to have him....but we need inside mids with average skills like we need a bullet to the head.

We'll probably have to write off both this year and next year's draft to get Mills and Dunkley barring trades...and in our current situation I want to keep as much of our squad as possible. And our list has some serious deficiencies.....so I want to have some decent draft picks.

Mills is a bit different as he's more balanced, the better player and as he's from Sydney probably better for marketing.

Take the best footballer. Forget positions. That means taking both.
If we take both and end up with a list chock full of talent that should give us scope in the future to use at the trade table.
The only way it goes bad (giving up future picks) is if the kid turns out to be a dud or has a horror injury run like AJ.

 

[ponsdale]

There is no proof Mills will be the better player - way too early.

There is proof - it's just not conclusive.

 

[Keyter]

well one thing is for sure - having the best talent recruiters/scouts and list management team is absolutely vital.

 

[V9x18]

Trading Hanners and Bird would get us Mills and Dunkly (if he wants to come) with an improved position in the 2015 draft and no impact to the 2016 draft.

This is what the Swans will be predicted to start with:

Picks 17, 35,53,71

Trade Hanners for pick 1 and Bird for 26.

We now have before the live draft:

1,17,26,35,53,71

What do we now do: (These predictions are made using the points table)
- We bid pick 1 for Mills and get a 20% discount and score 600 points.
- We use those 600 points to upgrade pick 17 to pick 8.
- We use pick 8 to get Dunkley (if no earlier bids) and get a 20% discount and 310 points.
- With 310 points and 74 left over from the pick 17 to pick 8 upgrade we now have 384 for another upgrade.
- Let us now upgrade pick 26 to pick 15. We now have one point to spare.

What we now have:

Mills
Dunkley
Pick 15
Pick 35
Pick 53 if you want to use it.
Extra Salary Cap room.
No impact to 2016 draft.

What we lost

- Hanners (Big loss but hoping Heeney can step into his role).
- Bird (Being kept out by Mitchell anyway and Mitchell is younger).

I don't think this deal is bad at all.

Damn it matt, bigfooty was my one escape of all your ludicrous trade hypotheticals. Bird ok he is a solid player in our strongest position and i can see us trading him, especially if it helps us get mills or dunks.

Hannebery however is just frankly stupid. You are trading away our best or second best midfielder (who is only 24!) when we are right in our premiership window for effectively salary cap room, some mid range draft picks in 2015 and an uncompromised 2016 draft. i understand the argument that he is out of contract at the end of next year but worse case scenario he leaves at the end of next season, we still get that extra cap room, we get a first rounder as compensation (although slightly lower you would think) and we get one more year with a much greater chance of a crack at a premiership while buddy, tippo, richards, grundy, macca, kizza, pyke, kennedy, are all in their prime or at least have a bit left to give.

While i disagree with most of what you said, i can see the merrit in some of it and this is a trade forum so you have ever right to offer up as many hypotheticals as you wish. All i ask is that you don't litter every page of this forum just repeating said hypotheticals as has been a trend of yours in the past. Correct me if im wrong but i believe last year i could't read a page on the RWO trade forum without hearing how we should trade mitchell, hanners and bird so we can rely on the midfield quartet or hewett, heeney, mills and dunkley (keep in mind that was two 18 year olds and two 17 year olds with a grand total of 0 afl games between them at the time)

 

[The King!]

I like the romantic notion of Getting Dunkley as a father son, id lean toward that if forced to choose.

If we are going to get both then we need to be prepared to trade something because we need key defence and ruck fixes urgently another year of Ted and Pyke as leading key defence and ruck... no thanks

 

[ponsdale]

Damn it matt, bigfooty was my one escape of all your ludicrous trade hypotheticals. Bird ok he is a solid player in our strongest position and i can see us trading him, especially if it helps us get mills or dunks.

Hannebery however is just frankly stupid. You are trading away our best or second best midfielder (who is only 24!) when we are right in our premiership window for effectively salary cap room, some mid range draft picks in 2015 and an uncompromised 2016 draft. i understand the argument that he is out of contract at the end of next year but worse case scenario he leaves at the end of next season, we still get that extra cap room, we get a first rounder as compensation (although slightly lower you would think) and we get one more year with a much greater chance of a crack at a premiership while buddy, tippo, richards, grundy, macca, kizza, pyke, kennedy, are all in their prime or at least have a bit left to give.

While i disagree with most of what you said, i can see the merrit in some of it and this is a trade forum so you have ever right to offer up as many hypotheticals as you wish. All i ask is that you don't litter every page of this forum just repeating said hypotheticals as has been a trend of yours in the past. Correct me if im wrong but i believe last year i could't read a page on the RWO trade forum without hearing how we should trade mitchell, hanners and bird so we can rely on the midfield quartet or hewett, heeney, mills and dunkley (keep in mind that was two 18 year olds and two 17 year olds with a grand total of 0 afl games between them at the time)

Comprehensive.

 

[brad cooper]

There is no proof Mills will be the better player - way too early. And I debate whether his skills are better than Dunkley's - the first half of his u18 highlights tape from last year is a clanger reel. Knightmare agrees he is below average. One is the son of a club champion, I'm backing him and I think respecting our history is important.

if his skills are below average then why all the fuss about him? If he is a supposed no1 pick then the rest of the draft must be crappy if he has below average skills.

 

[Swansujelly]

in the end we may not see Dunkley nominating us anyway, and while it would be sad news, it would ease the pressure on this years draft for us. It would then come down to how teams finish at the bottom.

 

[V9x18]

Comprehensive.

had a lot to get off my chest

 

[V9x18]

i think at the end of the day we'll find a way to get mills and dunks without giving away much in the form of listed players. the biggest losers of the new rule are the class of 2016 draft, because they lose the opportunity to go to one of the best run clubs in Australia

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

And once again the AFL caves in to Eddie's demands. I can't believe I thought it might be any different.