It's also totally unrealistic. Who's trading for Ellard, Warnock, Curnow, Walker etc? Nobody, that's who.
It's going to take more than one year for SOS to build the list that he wants.
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It's also totally unrealistic. Who's trading for Ellard, Warnock, Curnow, Walker etc? Nobody, that's who.
It's going to take more than one year for SOS to build the list that he wants.
Lukewarm response on the Essendon board to my suggestion that they access Warnock for a 4th round pick downgrade. 
28-73 hitouts last weekend... I hope they don't ruin Carlisle. He's not built for centre bounces.
28-73 hitouts last weekend... I hope they don't ruin Carlisle. He's not built for centre bounces.
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Lukewarm response on the Essendon board to my suggestion that they access Warnock for a 4th round pick downgrade.
28-73 hitouts last weekend... I hope they don't ruin Carlisle. He's not built for centre bounces.
Sorry to intrude guys, No doubt we need the fix our ruck problem Carlisle isn't the answer but either is Warnock
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That Ryder guy goes alright, you should see if he'd be interested in the number one ruck role instead of sharing with Lobbe.
Could that fancy flute not help him get his arms above his head?
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i have it on good authority that henderson is gone....unfortunately...and that carrots will retire.
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So that being the case, Henderson too will know, ergo, what can we expect from him performance wise at Carlton?
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If we do the Hendo trade to Geelong for their 1st rounder as many suspect and the Cats end up in the top 8 that will get us say pick 11-13. We may request a little more if that were the case - if so would we be keen on adding Jake Kolodjasnij to the deal?
Hasn't done as much as his brother at the Suns but still looks ok to me. 2 years on the Cats list, turns 20 in August. 193cm / 93kgs. Yet to play a senior game and remains uncontracted for next season. 4th in the Cats VFL B&F last year and has had a decent VFL season to date also I believe.
Any interest?
Hasn't done as much as his brother at the Suns but still looks ok to me. 2 years on the Cats list, turns 20 in August. 193cm / 93kgs. Yet to play a senior game and remains uncontracted for next season. 4th in the Cats VFL B&F last year and has had a decent VFL season to date also I believe.
Any interest?
yes, definitely, mentored by Scarlett I read somewhere.
Reading this forum, it seems like Kreuzer will be shopped around as trade bait. I was all for that 5 years ago, but I don't think he has much currency at this stage. Would rather keep him as a heart and soul player, and pray he gets his body right, than be paid unders in a trade (WHO would pay overs given his injury history?).
But for others like Hendo or Yarran, if we get overpaid I am all for it.
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Nobody will trade for Kreuzer when they can get him for nothing as a FA. What we would want to happen is a bidding war that ends up equating to a Band 1 compo pick, likely pick 2 or 3. It would be hard to pass up.
But would only occur if he plays every game from now and finishes the season in excellent form and shape.
You would not put your house on that happening.
why would we get pick 2 or 3 compensation? isn't it arbitrarily set by the AFL? I don't see them often give us a leg up.
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Whilst I'm not keen on the idea of Kruezer leaving - if we finish bottom 2, and he leaves as a free agent - assuming the contract for him is 4 or more years and for $550k or more, we would be entitled to a compensation pick tied to our first round draft pick - circa 2 or 3 (assuming the AFL dont change their formula - this is the Frawley compensation that Melbourne got). This is nothing to sneeze at for a player who has unfortunately missed a lot of gametime for us.
He's a heart and soul player and incredibly important, however he may be forced out for the better of the whole list.
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They say its a formula based on the length and terms of the contract and the age of the player.
Kruezer being young increases the compensation - so if the terms are more than 4 years and more than $550, thats equivalent or greater then Frawleys contract which netted Melbourne a first round compo pick.
thanks, anything top 5 would be mighty tempting. Whatever happens, fingers crossed he plays every game and plays well.
Henderson is on $400,000 now so I doubt we would offer a reduced contract.
It is not arbitrary. Band one comes immediately after the club's first pick. Hence Melbourne getting pick 3 for Frawley and Collingwood pick 11 for Thomas.
The bands are set by a formula determined largely by the contract offered. Four years at 600 plus as the above two received and as Hendo would be likely to get nets a band one.
I know Warnock has his flaws but he is actually a good tap ruckman. Sadly that is where it ends with him. He is too fragile unfortunately.
thanks, I mistakenly thought it was arbitrary given Melbourne got pick 2 or something for Frawley but Hawks got a crappy pick for Buddy. I know the Hawks aren't exactly losers out of free agency, but that doesn't seem quite right.
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Its because the pick is tied to your first round draft pick. Melbourne got overs for Frawley because they were down the bottom of the ladder, whilst Hawthorn got peanuts for Buddy because they'd just come off winning the flag.
The trick is to capitalise on free agents leaving when you're on the bottom of the ladder, and take them when you're on top. (however the AFL will likely scrap FA compensation in the near future).
Any system that says Buddy is worth pick 19 while James Frawley is worth pick 3 is seriously skewed. But that's how the AFL rolls.
Mind you the Hawks used the cap space they got from Buddy to get Frawley for nothing. All the other clubs pay the compo pick by getting kicked down the line, which also sucks in my view.
My biggest gripe is the rule that if you trade in an FA the same year one leaves you get no compo. That is the Carlton rule because we are the only club it has applied to and is likely to apply to because they will fiddle with the rules again for sure.
given henderson's form this year, expect fans of prospective destinations using their 2nd round picks in trade hypotheses regardless of any salary numbers. medium-long term if he's after success, bulldogs might be a better destination than geelong.
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Also the proposal put forward by THE_GUN may be another option whereby Kruezer and Yarran are taken by the one club in two separate deals .
Of course , this option would not be exclusive to Richmond and Henderson could replace Yarran in any such trading ...
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We can't trade him... he is out of contract at the end of the year and a free agent.
Unlike Henderson who is out of contract and not a free agent and therefore is trade bait... if the club desires to get rid of him!
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