List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[Joffaboy]

Wow Ben Kennedy wants out of Collingwood
thats a real shame . Seems like all their kids are leaving the nest . Just proves Freeman wanting out wasn't about the $$$$ . I smell upheaval

From what I heard Freeman was never about $$$$, but fairness. Collingwood lowballed him.

Dont know much about Ben Kennedy can someone enlighten?

 

[mad-saint-guy]

My concerns regarding Templeton are that he's very slight and doesn't look like he'll ever fill out to any great extent...and that would be ok if he was a real accumulator of the footy but he hasn't had more than 13 disposals in 12 games including 8 that weren't sub-effected.

He seems like a good kid with clean skills and a good tank, but he's also incredibly slight, very much an outside player and he struggles to get the ball even when getting full games on the wing. There are clearly reasons why he didn't get picked up in the national draft. I hope that he really did just need a while to get over his injury and comes out strong in 2016, but if not for the the impression he made last year with dreads and catchy name I'm not sure he'd be held in such high regard by some. Minchington seems the better option to me - he also has trouble accumulating the footy but is much stronger through the body, can win a clearance, sticks tackles and regularly kicks goals. If a team offered a pick under 35 for Templeton I'd do that trade in a heartbeat but I don't think we'll get that offer.

 

[StKing11]

So we are happy to dump Hickey who will become a very good ruck, but get all cut up about Eli who was a rookie and shown nothing after his injury?

Not sure what your reading skills are like, but I never seen anyone say 'dump' Hickey, more so if Tom was happy to move and we could get incredible overs for him such as a first round pick or Carlisle then we should take it and run.

Why are you getting all cut up about a guy who's played 41 games and will be 25 by the start of next season?

 

[Stillwaiting]

We are not trading pick 5.

Carlisle agreed to play with us two weeks ago, as I and my other profiles posted.

Ross won't go anywhere.

Hickey MAY be traded if it's an early teen pick with Dogs sending their first, Hrovat and a swap of later picks back. Personally I wouldn't deal with them, they are in our window.

We are in the mix for another really good player, more will come out Monday week.

The Afl has to change the draft order it's unfair for bottom teams to wait 18 draft spots for their next pick, The bottom 6 teams should get more help in the draft or it's going to take too long to be competitive.

I don't agree. The draft should be uncompromised, including academy picks or any other form of preferential treatment or priority picks. Look at melbourne, all the help for stuff all result. If a team can't manage its list and do a proper rebuild like we are doing now ygen badlluck. We are where we are now due to earlier poor recruiting which we are now beginning to repair.

 

[plugger66]

From what I heard Freeman was never about $$$$, but fairness. Collingwood lowballed him.

Dont know much about Ben Kennedy can someone enlighten?

From what my daughter says is money helps. No one else is interested at anywhere near that price. I trust my daughter on this one.

 

[Winners Only]

I am another who wouldnt be too upset losing Hickey for a 1st round selection! Having said that I would be surprised if a club parted with their 1st round when Zac Smith & Leunberger are on the market and would be an easier get. To be honest as pure ruckmen I rate Zac Smith higher than Hickey.... before injury Smith was flyjng and looked like a future star!

I agree with others this my favourite time of year - which frustrates my wife....oh well !

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Were going to be finals bound soon again.
I am more confident now then ever before with our list.
I cant remember seeing so much promise from such a wide range of young players with 1, 2, 5 or 10 games.. from any team.
Weve been brilliant with our recruiting the last few years in a row. Absolutely nailed it. And this year is going to be no exception.
Other teams better watch out once players like dmac, acres and dunstan start maturing.
The list is long.
It happens quickly. 2 years ago everyone was looking at dogs list and what did they see Liberatore, Wallace. Mcrae.. Stringer was like hes gona be good one day..
50% of our list is like this...
Dunno if its next year or the year after but when these kids start to get it together. Along with the maturity of all our highly rated Keys. Were gona be dangerously good. None of these other rebuilding teams have invested so much in KPPs as we have. Very smart by us.
Only team to do that so well recently is WC and look at them now.

 

[Joffaboy]

Maybe we cut Eli some slack.

Roberton looked ordinary last year when injured. After a full pre season he was great this season.

Lets see how Eli shapes up before writing him off.

Agree though with Michington. His game in the PF for Sandy almost got them over the line with a magnificent game.

VFL finals as close to AFL pressure as can be had and he really stood up. Kid can play

 

[stavro#4]

From what my daughter says is money helps. No one else is interested at anywhere near that price. I trust my daughter on this one.

Freeman's family is a big part of him leaving due to the entire Freeman clan believing he was mismanaged whilst injured, money helps but is not the main factor

 

[Periphery]

My concerns regarding Templeton are that he's very slight and doesn't look like he'll ever fill out to any great extent...and that would be ok if he was a real accumulator of the footy but he hasn't had more than 13 disposals in 12 games including 8 that weren't sub-effected.

He seems like a good kid with clean skills and a good tank, but he's also incredibly slight, very much an outside player and he struggles to get the ball even when getting full games on the wing. There are clearly reasons why he didn't get picked up in the national draft. I hope that he really did just need a while to get over his injury and comes out strong in 2016, but if not for the the impression he made last year with dreads and catchy name I'm not sure he'd be held in such high regard by some. Minchington seems the better option to me - he also has trouble accumulating the footy but is much stronger through the body, can win a clearance, sticks tackles and regularly kicks goals. If a team offered a pick under 35 for Templeton I'd do that trade in a heartbeat but I don't think we'll get that offer.

It's pretty hard to judge those two players ball winning ability at AFL level when they both play in a position they aren't really suited/use to (small forward).

 

[Cantteachthat]

My concerns regarding Templeton are that he's very slight and doesn't look like he'll ever fill out to any great extent...and that would be ok if he was a real accumulator of the footy but he hasn't had more than 13 disposals in 12 games including 8 that weren't sub-effected.

He seems like a good kid with clean skills and a good tank, but he's also incredibly slight, very much an outside player and he struggles to get the ball even when getting full games on the wing. There are clearly reasons why he didn't get picked up in the national draft. I hope that he really did just need a while to get over his injury and comes out strong in 2016, but if not for the the impression he made last year with dreads and catchy name I'm not sure he'd be held in such high regard by some. Minchington seems the better option to me - he also has trouble accumulating the footy but is much stronger through the body, can win a clearance, sticks tackles and regularly kicks goals. If a team offered a pick under 35 for Templeton I'd do that trade in a heartbeat but I don't think we'll get that offer.

I wouldn't give up hope on him filling out a bit. His arm injury would have prevented him doing the work in the gym last year. His old man is built like a brick shithouse, and his brother is a fairly solid unit too.

 

[Joffaboy]

From what my daughter says is money helps. No one else is interested at anywhere near that price. I trust my daughter on this one.

Are you Greg Williams by any chance?

Sure money helps, so does not being lowballed

 

[plugger66]

Freeman's family is a big part of him leaving due to the entire Freeman clan believing he was mismanaged whilst injured, money helps but is not the main factor

I know that but this crap about barracking for a club is just that. Crap. If WB offered what we are offering and we offered what the pies are offering he would go to the WB. I base that on someone who has known this guy for 5 years.

 

[Richter]

no, they are a club of interest in saying that.

i believe we have a deal in mind, we are waiting on a nomination from Carlisle. We wont lose ether picks im led to believe (5 + hickey first rounder if trade eventuates)

Ok, here's my go...

Hickey + #44 ---> (Bulldogs) #13
Freeman + #63 (Collingwood) ----> #26
Carlisle + Essendon's 3rd round (2016) ---> St Kilda 1st round (2016)

[Or some variation of the above.... e.g.

Hickey + #26 ---> (Bulldogs) #13 + Bulldogs 3rd pick (2016)
Freeman + (Collingwood) ----> #44 + 3rd round pick (2016)
Carlisle + Essendon's 3rd round (2016) ---> St Kilda 1st round (2016)]

Either option leaves us with:-

2015 - Carlisle, Freeman, draft: #5, #13, Sinclair late upgrade; OUT: Hickey
2016 - 2nd round pick, 3rd rounds x2; OUT: 1st round pick

IMO that would be an incredible bit of trading which would NOT actually screw other clubs.

 

[plugger66]

Are you Greg Williams by any chance?

Sure money helps, so does not being lowballed

I'm not greg Williams but I'm backing myself to trust my daughter more than any person on here. I also trust Luke Obrien.

 

[Kilroy]

Freeman's family is a big part of him leaving due to the entire Freeman clan believing he was mismanaged whilst injured, money helps but is not the main factor

His family name says it all really.

We'll look after him. We're all family here.

 

[Joffaboy]

I know that but this crap about barracking for a club is just that. Crap. If WB offered what we are offering and we offered what the pies are offering he would go to the WB. I base that on someone who has known this guy for 5 years.

Who said anything about him coming to the Saints because he supported them? Nice if it happens, but really is of no consequence.

Carlisle is coming to the Saints for money predominately. Just because he follwed the Bulldogs doesn't seem to have swayed him much.

Sipposs wasn't helped much by supporting the Saints

 

[plugger66]

Who said anything about him coming to the Saints because he supported them? Nice if it happens, but really is of no consequence.

Carlisle is coming to the Saints for money predominately. Just because he follwed the Bulldogs doesn't seem to have swayed him much.

Sipposs wasn't helped much by supporting the Saints

Just explain that money is just about the main reason. And nothing wrong with that unless most on here leave jobs because of other reasons.

 

[God Save Max King]

Mate, this dating of when we'll be winning games is total BS! Who says we have to not win until 2018?

Getting sick of this argument.

We'll be top 10 next year if we get a good run with injuries, and I assure you the club doesn't want to wait until 2018 before it plays finals.

Not suggesting we have to 'not win' until a certain date at all, but when making major list management decisions such as acquiring a top 15 selection and trading a young ruckman the biggest consideration should be how it affects our list when we challenge, not when we are more or less irrelevant.

 

[aussierulesrules]

If trading Hickey got us a mid/early teens pick we are ahead.

We don't need Hickey for our immediate success and losing him would allow Holmes and Pierce to get more exposure. That would then let us get a better idea of where they are at and then in a few years we can make the call on if we need to bring in another ruck/forward. At that stage we'd probably be using FA so it wouldn't cost us any draft picks. Overall, it'd be a net gain.

So much all this!

Until we have one go down next year with a knee and the other breaks a finger. Then we have Pierce and Holmes as our ruck division.

I dare say that if we trade Hickey we'll get someone else in on the cheap, as back-up/insurance. Like how when we traded McEvoy for a good return we then went out and got Longer more cheaply.

 

[Joffaboy]

Just explain that money is just about the main reason. And nothing wrong with that unless most on here leave jobs because of other reasons.

True. Just reasoning why a two year draftee would walk out because it is unusual.

 

[Stillwaiting]

Freeman's family is a big part of him leaving due to the entire Freeman clan believing he was mismanaged whilst injured, money helps but is not the main factor

It's a shame that he can't come out and defend himself, all these jounos and other media slam him and they get away with it

 

[cowboysteel66]

It's a shame that he can't come out and defend himself, all these jounos and other media slam him and they get away with it

Neil Balmes reason was that he felt that if he got injured again at Collingwood his career would be over whereas if he goes to another club like St Kilda its all new to them as they haven't been waiting for him the past two years. He said he didn't necessarily agree with it and thought he was making a mistake however he also understood.

 

[sammm]

We are not trading pick 5.

Carlisle agreed to play with us two weeks ago, as I and my other profiles posted.

Ross won't go anywhere.

Hickey MAY be traded if it's an early teen pick with Dogs sending their first, Hrovat and a swap of later picks back. Personally I wouldn't deal with them, they are in our window.

We are in the mix for another really good player, more will come out Monday week.

We must be giving players as trade then. Which ?

 

[Joffaboy]

It's a shame that he can't come out and defend himself, all these jounos and other media slam him and they get away with it

Revenge is a dish best served cold. You cant win the arseholes of the press. They are small minded and vindictive and will crush you if you fight back.

Let your football do the talking, Barrett and his ilk can GAGF'ed