2015 Trade/FA Discussion - Part 2

[AishLion4Life]

Clearly I'm still right about Prince James being a Lion for life. Taking Collingwood down from the inside.

 

[IQ3]

Clearly I'm still right about Prince James being a Lion for life. Taking Collingwood down from the inside.

failed name is a fail

 

[Milux]

failed name is a fail

Yours is any better? Or is your girth crooked.

 

[IQ3]

Yours is any better? Or is your girth crooked.

correct

 

[Hollow Knight]

Clearly I'm still right about Prince James being a Lion for life. Taking Collingwood down from the inside.

Meanwhile Bastinac kicked the sealer last night. And then we still have Keays and whatever we get with the Saints second rounder this year (likely points for Allison) to come.

Cheers James.

 

[Full Wingspan]

failed name is a fail

Failed recruit is a fail.

 

[Elixuh]

I mean Collingwood haven't re-signed Bucks and they'll get a good first rounder to strengthen their list. Not all doom and gloom.

 

[Schache It Off]

failed name is a fail

**** off

 

[lionshine]

I mean Collingwood haven't re-signed Bucks and they'll get a good first rounder to strengthen their list. Not all doom and gloom.

Oh wait...

 

[blueiris]

I mean Collingwood haven't re-signed Bucks and they'll get a good first rounder to strengthen their list. Not all doom and gloom.

That's awesome

 

[Biggies]

Just thought I'd have a look at the three trades from last year that involved 2016 picks. Now that the draft order is set we have a better idea about what we actually gave up/received last trade period.

Aish Trade
Out
Aish

In
2015 pick 26 (729 points)
2016 pick 28 (677 points)

Note: Added together gives 1406 points, or about a pick 10ish.

Bastinac Trade
Out
2015 picks 17 and 26 (1754 points)

In
Bastinac
2015 picks 38 and 40 (894 points)
2016 pick 47 (316 points)

Note: 1754 - 1210 = 544 points or about a pick 34 for Bastinac.

Walker/Jansen Trade
Out
Pick 38 (465 points)

In
Josh Walker
Jarrad Janson

I know it's not quite as straight forward as this, I didn't take into account academy bidding moving picks around and the fact 2016 you will a limited number of picks to use. But simply as a rough guide, I think all 3 trades look pretty good on paper and we've actually done pretty well.

 

[Elixuh]

I remember David King having a go at us for the basti trade. Bloke has no idea. Good analysis.

 

[irel]

Just thought I'd have a look at the three trades from last year that involved 2016 picks. Now that the draft order is set we have a better idea about what we actually gave up/received last trade period.

Aish Trade
Out
Aish

In
2015 pick 26 (729 points)
2016 pick 28 (677 points)

Note: Added together gives 1406 points, or about a pick 10ish.

Bastinac Trade
Out
2015 picks 17 and 26 (1754 points)

In
Bastinac
2015 picks 38 and 40 (894 points)
2016 pick 47 (316 points)

Note: 1754 - 1210 = 544 points or about a pick 34 for Bastinac.

Walker/Jansen Trade
Out
Pick 38 (465 points)

In
Josh Walker
Jarrad Janson

I know it's not quite as straight forward as this, I didn't take into account academy bidding moving picks around and the fact 2016 you will a limited number of picks to use. But simply as a rough guide, I think all 3 trades look pretty good on paper and we've actually done pretty well.

Which reaffirms my belief that Schwaby did a brilliant job last trade period. It will be interesting to revisit this after the draft and see how the Academy/FS bids impact in the final analysis.
Good job Biggies.

 

[a mayes ing]

With the Aish trade, yeah it might have equalled up to pick 10 but it wasn't pick 10. It was pick 26 and 28. Quality will always be better than quantity. It still wasn't a good trade imo for a previous pick ~6.

 

[WA Lion]

With the Aish trade, yeah it might have equalled up to pick 10 but it wasn't pick 10. It was pick 26 and 28. Quality will always be better than quantity. It still wasn't a good trade imo for a previous pick ~6.

In fairness it was still a hell of a lot better than we got for the GH5!

 

[notting18]

With the Aish trade, yeah it might have equalled up to pick 10 but it wasn't pick 10. It was pick 26 and 28. Quality will always be better than quantity. It still wasn't a good trade imo for a previous pick ~6.

If only we had some sort of special draft position where total points were more important to us than the pick position.

 

[James North]

With the Aish trade, yeah it might have equalled up to pick 10 but it wasn't pick 10. It was pick 26 and 28. Quality will always be better than quantity. It still wasn't a good trade imo for a previous pick ~6.

Not sure if serious?

 

[a mayes ing]

If only we had some sort of special draft position where total points were more important to us than the pick position.

Don't need to be a dick about it. Yes we got points which was great, but imo, it would have been better if the trade had been better not based on potential points.

If we got fairer value then we still would have got the points for the Academy, just because the points serve a purpose doesn't mean it was a great trade.

 

[irel]

Don't need to be a dick about it. Yes we got points which was great, but imo, it would have been better if the trade had been better not based on potential points.

If we got fairer value then we still would have got the points for the Academy, just because the points serve a purpose doesn't mean it was a great trade.

Hmmm, I'd advise before clicking "post reply" you read what you write.

 

[kylegee28]

Can we trade pick 2 for Nick Haynes and offer him a billion dollars a year?

 

[a mayes ing]

Hmmm, I'd advise before clicking "post reply" you read what you write.

nah l am right. I understood what l wrote. Former pick 6 and we got pick 26, 28 in return. I would have prefered a better trade than that, You can believe otherwise.

 

[JasRulz63]

No doubt we would've preferred a better trade, but when wouldn't you prefer a better trade.

 

[lionshine]

nah l am right. I understood what l wrote. Former pick 6 and we got pick 26, 28 in return. I would have prefered a better trade than that, You can believe otherwise.

It is important to remember though that we pulled the trigger on that trade knowing that the whole point of it was to gather points for a quality academy player. So those points aided us in getting Hipwood at pick 14. I would choose Hipwood over Aish every day of the week simply due to the fact that I can't see Aish ever becoming anything more than a B grade midfielder who perhaps occasionally plays an A grade level game whereas I think Hipwood has genuine superstar potential.

 

[notting18]

Don't need to be a dick about it. Yes we got points which was great, but imo, it would have been better if the trade had been better not based on potential points.

If we got fairer value then we still would have got the points for the Academy, just because the points serve a purpose doesn't mean it was a great trade.

Which is worth more - a 100,000 $1 coins, 20,000 $5 notes or 1000 $100 notes?

 

[Viceregal]

With the Aish trade, yeah it might have equalled up to pick 10 but it wasn't pick 10. It was pick 26 and 28. Quality will always be better than quantity. It still wasn't a good trade imo for a previous pick ~6.

Unfortunately what we purchased with our pick 6 went through a marked depreciation during the time we owned it

It is important to remember though that we pulled the trigger on that trade knowing that the whole point of it was to gather points for a quality academy player. So those points aided us in getting Hipwood at pick 14. I would choose Hipwood over Aish every day of the week simply due to the fact that I can't see Aish ever becoming anything more than a B grade midfielder who perhaps occasionally plays an A grade level game whereas I think Hipwood has genuine superstar potential.

Aish's value at that point was whatever people were willing to pay for him - we weren't swapping pick 6 for the picks we got for Aish (except in moral values and tables of who-won-the-trade or how-badly-did-we-draft-this-time) - we were trying to get whatever we could back on our investment and, especially that year, were majoring on Academy trade currency rather than specific draft position location.

Which is worth more - a 100,000 $1 coins, 20,000 $5 notes or 1000 $100 notes?

*technically* (yes I know) it would depend on whether the person you were trying to 'buy' from was prepared to accept your currency. If I tried to buy a $100,000 item with 100,000 $1 coins (or 2,000,000 5c pieces) the most common reply would be no - and they would expect you take your massive weight of coinage to the bank and get something more suitable to the transaction. At the other end if you took a $200 coin and tried to buy a 1 zone bus ticket early on Sat morning from the driver you would get bounced (or a free trip!).

I remember when they brought out the $200 and $5 coins - no one except the Commonwealth Bank would accept them as currency.

So if I can buy the same thing (or more) for the alternate currency then there is no difference - but if I swap out my pick 5 for a better-points-total-value-of-picks in anticipation of my Academy star being bid on at picks 3 or 4 and it works out that way then no difference ... but he is not bid on until pick 6 then my shiny new points (despite being the same value) are worth less because I cannot buy the other person I would otherwise have taken at 5 as-well-as my Academy not-as-much-of-a-star-as-I-expected purchase.