List Mgmt. 2016 Draft, Trading and Free Agency Thread

[Alfonz]

I am going to be absolutely furious if/when Barlow goes. Disgraceful from the club. Actually, I'm already furious.

And if you are one of those people who thinks it is better off that he goes ... What a load of rubbish. He's still easily in our best side when played in position. And he won't get us anything worthwhile in a trade. Maybe some token late pick. And don't underestimate getting rid of heart and soul players that want to stay. Absolutely pointless moving him on.

I also do not subscribe to this theory that people hold in thinking we need to be some loser club and be shithouse for years and years. So get rid of everyone over a certain age. Stuff that. Time to bounce back to the finals next year and go from there.

 

[yakka man]

Trading Barlow for a pack of chips would be stupid.

 

[pavslovechild]

McCluggage and SPS look quite similar in my opinion, both skinny and creative but I still believe SPS has more x-factor and McCluggage puts the ball in space like Danyle a bit.

Agreed. The knock on mccluggage is he does sometimes pull away from harder contests when it's time for the body to go on the line

 

[PurpleEyes]

Sadly i agree, i think we will get very little for Barlow if anything and it looks like we will be happy to let him go without any fight at all!

In R13 vs PA, Barlow had 43 disposals. That was the equal 8th highest in the AFL for 2016. Even Matt Rosa was traded for pick#31 last year.
Once again, I notice the articles about Barlow are doing their best to present him as a washed up has been. Plenty of talk about him struggling with form and injuries ... no mention of him being in Freo's best 2 players in all of his last 5 full games of the season.

 

[pavslovechild]

Barlow has to stay. Culturally got young blokes, strong body, was in ripping form before injury and we need the leadership

 

[JohnW]

You dismiss my idea of Barlow being a late 1st or early 2nd round pick, yet West Coast used pick#17 to trade in Jack Redden in 2015. Really?

In your opinion was that an over pay?

 

[Lach72]

In your opinion was that an over pay?

For Redden? Absolutely, but you're insane if you're including Barlow in the same breath as Redden

 

[Alfonz]

Barlow has to stay. Culturally got young blokes, strong body, was in ripping form before injury and we need the leadership

Exactly. Need guys like him around. Way better than a 4th/5th rounder.

I had a long chat with Sylvia in airports as I was traveling back for the '13 GF. Blame me for him signing with us if you want. One thing he said was how negatively it impacted Melbourne when they ditched McDonald. Said it ripped the heart out of the club, and lots of players just became disillusioned and created a bad environment. Though I guess some seem to think it's a good idea if we become the next Melbourne.

Maybe we are a better club and that won't happen with us. But Barlow is one of those players who is the very fabric of the club. Not offering him a contract is already very poor treatment. And if they force him out the door, it's a slippery slope they are risking. Player resentment could be very high.

 

[pavslovechild]

Exactly. Need guys like him around. Way better than a 4th/5th rounder.

I had a long chat with Sylvia in airports as I was traveling back for the '13 GF. Blame me for him signing with us if you want. One thing he said was how negatively it impacted Melbourne when they ditched McDonald. Said it ripped the heart out of the club, and lots of players just became disillusioned and created a bad environment. Though I guess some seem to think it's a good idea if we become the next Melbourne.

Maybe we are a better club and that won't happen with us. But Barlow is one of those players who is the very fabric of the club. Not offering him a contract is already very poor treatment. And if they force him out the door, it's a slippery slope they are risking. Player resentment could be very high.

Great insight and spot on.

 

[pavslovechild]

if you follow Barlow on social media he's always with all the young blokes in pics. Close with spurr as see them together pretty regularly. Think he's an important cog

 

[mike91]

Or maybe we plan on trading Barlow with a pick to upgrade into the second round. Sad, but if we get offered a good deal, Barlow has to go.

 

[JohnW]

For Redden? Absolutely, but you're insane if you're including Barlow in the same breath as Redden

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d2=9&type=A&pid1=3131&pid2=3389&fid1=C&fid2=C

Pretty similar career stats, and Redden is 3 years younger.

Are either of them worth a 1st or 2nd rounder on current form...hell no.

Does Redden have time on his side, yes...well at least more so than Barlow.

Anyway not sure why you brought Redden up, But if you thought West Coast overpaid for him, then surely you can see the flaws in suggesting a similar pick for Barlow?

 

[Clems Knee]

Where did you see McCluggage play?

At Subiaco and at Etihad stadium.

 

[PurpleEyes]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d2=9&type=A&pid1=3131&pid2=3389&fid1=C&fid2=C

Pretty similar career stats, and Redden is 3 years younger.

Are either of them worth a 1st or 2nd rounder on current form...hell no.

Does Redden have time on his side, yes...well at least more so than Barlow.

Anyway not sure why you brought Redden up, But if you thought West Coast overpaid for him, then surely you can see the flaws in suggesting a similar pick for Barlow?

I understand you are a West Coast supporter.
You dismiss my idea of Barlow being worth a late 1st round or early 2nd round pick.
The team you support only last year traded in Redden for pick#17 and traded out Rosa (about the same age as Barlow) for pick#31.
I would rate Barlow worth substantially more than either of those two.
Therefore, it is reasonable and logical for me to think Barlow would be a late 1st or early 2nd round pick.
At the very least, I provide some comparison to show I have an understanding of the current value of trade picks, rather than just an opinion.

Edit: and please don't make me produce some stats to show the massive gap between Redden and Barlow.

 

[Clems Knee]

[QUOTE="Tayl0r, post: 46456 SPS has Sonny Walters build if we can use Sonny as a comparison so McCluggage must be frail according to Clem's knee.

Have a look at Sam in this video. He is not the same build as Sonny Walters. Sam is stronger in the body and the legs. And he is only 18.

 

[Andy Brennan]

I remember tom keoughs name getting thrown around a lot last year. Delisted after 1 year at Gold Coast, not a good look

 

[Tundrawolf]

What kind of a name is mcclugage anyway.

I think it's a surname.

 

[mightymouse75]

No sir. I've never heard such a thing used as a surname

 

[StingBitten]

I am going to be absolutely furious if/when Barlow goes. Disgraceful from the club. Actually, I'm already furious.

And if you are one of those people who thinks it is better off that he goes ... What a load of rubbish. He's still easily in our best side when played in position. And he won't get us anything worthwhile in a trade. Maybe some token late pick. And don't underestimate getting rid of heart and soul players that want to stay. Absolutely pointless moving him on.

I also do not subscribe to this theory that people hold in thinking we need to be some loser club and be shithouse for years and years. So get rid of everyone over a certain age. Stuff that. Time to bounce back to the finals next year and go from there.

Couldn't have said this better.

 

[FreoMonocle]

As others have mentioned, Barlow is a one trick pony as an inside mid.

How many inside Mids do we need? If we were challenging for a flag, Blakely wouldn't have gotten as many games and we would have seen more of Barlow.

We won't be challenging for the flag next year either, so we will put even more time into blakely who should be cherry ripe in 2-3 years. If only Barlow could do some effective work elsewhere on the ground, he'd already have his contract renewed methinks. It's better for barlow to go where he can get a game, also giving us some picks to let us build a better team while he has currency, otherwise we will be spending a lot of coin for Peel's benefit

 

[JohnW]

I understand you are a West Coast supporter.
You dismiss my idea of Barlow being worth a late 1st round or early 2nd round pick.
The team you support only last year traded in Redden for pick#17 and traded out Rosa (about the same age as Barlow) for pick#31.
I would rate Barlow worth substantially more than either of those two.
Therefore, it is reasonable and logical for me to think Barlow would be a late 1st or early 2nd round pick.
At the very least, I provide some comparison to show I have an understanding of the current value of trade picks, rather than just an opinion.

Edit: and please don't make me produce some stats to show the massive gap between Redden and Barlow.

Did you even read my post? I don't think Redden is worth pick 17 on current form, so continuing to bring him up is pointless.

The fact that you feel the trade for Redden was a massive overpay, should also mean that a similar pick for Barlow is a massive over pay. Their stats are similar (see my link), and value should also be similar when allowing for the fact that Barlow slight better stats are offset by him being 3 years older.

Again, I do not think Redden (based on current form) is worth what we paid, nor do I think Barlow is worth what you are suggesting. I am not sure what the eagles traded for Redden has to do with the value of Barlow? Everyone would agree that the Redden trade so far has not provided value. And based on the stats provided and taking into account their age, I cant see how you can value Barlow substantially more than Redden.

But I digress, that's your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but I would not be holding hope that Barlow will return you anywhere near pick 17, or an early second rounder. The proof will be in the pudding.

The club should either sign him, or let him go where he wants for some nominal draft pick.

 

[Retzlaff]

What kind of a name is mcclugage anyway.

A name that is begging for the #26

 

[Simmofreo]

Marchbank on the move. Would be a good pickup for a defender

 

[clivenator26]

If we get a 2nd rounder for Barlow we have done very well. His form was great but he is 29 at Rd1 and had a fairly bad shoulder injury.

I'd prefer to keep him, guys like Micky are worth a lot to the environment around the club, if he leaves I sort of hope he sticks it up us.

 

[clivenator26]

Marchbank on the move. Would be a good pickup for a defender

He will be going back to Melbourne, Carlton, St Kilda, Essendon all been linked to him at various times this year. One first rounder out, another in is likely.