2016 NAB cup - We're #1!

[theGav56]

I'd Be gutted if Ubergang doesn't play in the next 2 games. Smith has had 3 years but hasn't delivered. Ubergang offers something at both ends of the ground. Balic a chance for a game?

Ubergang has potential but is fairly unlikely to get a game in the first half of the season if at all. Therefore no real reason to play him in the NAB even though we would all like to see some of what he has got. There will be plenty of opportunity for that in the wafl. Far better to see what Collins can do, or play the 2nd rucks, or any other option for a forward spot.

 

[PowerToThePurpl]

Reckon Brady Grey will get a run against Adelaide, he was instrumental last year keeping Wingard goalless against Peel even when he had a 53 goal season for a team that didn't even make finals. It would be good to see how well he manages to keep Betts under a leash especially after his performance against West Coast.

 

[theGav56]

Reckon Brady Grey will get a run against Adelaide, he was instrumental last year keeping Wingard goalless against Peel even when he had a 53 goal season for a team that didn't even make finals. It would be good to see how well he manages to keep Betts under a leash especially after his performance against West Coast.

I agree. Although if I was Adelaide I wouldn't play Betts.

 

[salim malik]

Ubergang has potential but is fairly unlikely to get a game in the first half of the season if at all. Therefore no real reason to play him in the NAB even though we would all like to see some of what he has got. There will be plenty of opportunity for that in the wafl. Far better to see what Collins can do, or play the 2nd rucks, or any other option for a forward spot.

Rookies strut their stuff in the WAFL,They will have plenty of opportunities to show what they've got. ,if good enough will get the upgrade. The players on the main list need to show what they have got. Rookies can't play ,why play them.

 

[meima]

Reckon Brady Grey will get a run against Adelaide, he was instrumental last year keeping Wingard goalless against Peel even when he had a 53 goal season for a team that didn't even make finals. It would be good to see how well he manages to keep Betts under a leash especially after his performance against West Coast.

He can play HF (small), obvious not as good as ballas and Walters but if he break into 22 there is an option.

 

[meima]

Rookies strut their stuff in the WAFL,They will have plenty of opportunities to show what they've got. ,if good enough will get the upgrade. The players on the main list need to show what they have got. Rookies can't play ,why play them.

Hehehe I don't want uebergang play this stupid Nab cup and get injured, then i can't watch him play for thunder.

 

[gaskin]

I'd Be gutted if Ubergang doesn't play in the next 2 games. Smith has had 3 years but hasn't delivered. Ubergang offers something at both ends of the ground. Balic a chance for a game?

Tanner hasn't had much of a chance to show anything. He just has constant shoulder problems- he'd be in for 2 games out for 6 on a continuous cycle. He probably won't make it here but I wouldn't write him off yet.

 

[salim malik]

How many are making the long haul to Mt Barker?

 

[meima]

Tanner hasn't had much of a chance to show anything. He just has constant shoulder problems- he'd be in for 2 games out for 6 on a continuous cycle. He probably won't make it here but I wouldn't write him off yet.

I written Tanner off already, he will only stay on the list if more player retire or move elsewhere unexpectedly.

 

[Unique Name]

I keep reading B22's around the place that don't include Mayne and I keep shaking my head. Yes he did a few silly things last year but...

Mayne was the only general forward in the AFL to rate elite for pressure acts, tackles and tackle efficiency. He ranked third (at Freo) for scoreboard impact per game. On the lead he was better than Pav. Yes he had flaws but if this analysis doesn't secure his spot in the B22 then I don't know what will.

The other main reason is that Walters playing in the midfield could possibly make a world of difference to our scoring (as a team). He has the 5th best kick rating in the league. Having him kicking inside 50 should actually result in far more than the 45 goals he kicked individually last year. Having Pav, Griff, Sandi, Mayne, Fyfe, Barlow, Bennell and Tabs/APearce/Yarran as leading/contested targets should give him (and the other mids) plenty of inside 50 options to kick to. We have Mayne and Ballaz leading the forward pressure to keep it locked in if necessary (add in Gu if we need). And we have Ballaz, Walters (when forward) and Weller/Langdon as small forwards to jump on any ground balls. Our forward line should get good supply and have the diversity of skills inside 50 to finish the job on the scoreboard.

Fyfe, Bennell, Walters, Barlow and Weller/Langdon all rotating between the midfield and half forward sounds amazing to me.

You've spent all off season saying Mayne finished third for offensive stats out of our forward line.

That's not hard when we only had three forwards play more than 20 games.

I've calmed somewhat on Mayne after that miss, he is in our best 22 and deserves to be in. However he really needs to lift the offensive side of his game.

 

[wayToGo_]

You've spent all off season saying Mayne finished third for offensive stats out of our forward line.

That's not hard when we only had three forwards play more than 20 games.

I've calmed somewhat on Mayne after that miss, he is in our best 22 and deserves to be in. However he really needs to lift the offensive side of his game.

Yes and I think he needs to as well. But last time I checked teams had 6 forwards and if he is our best defensive forward and had the third best scoreboard impact I wouldn't mind seeing some other players get some pressure put on them just as much. The stats are based on averages as well btw - so how many games you play doesn't make any difference. Am a little bit over the excuses of "but he was injured", if you are fit enough to play then you should be bringing your A game and be judged based on your actual output not on your "potential".

 

[meima]

Yes and I think he needs to as well. But last time I checked teams had 6 forwards and if he is our best defensive forward and had the third best scoreboard impact I wouldn't mind seeing some other players get some pressure put on them just as much. The stats are based on averages as well btw - so how many games you play doesn't make any difference. Am a little bit over the excuses of "but he was injured", if you are fit enough to play then you should be bringing your A game and be judged based on your actual output not on your "potential".

If Mayne can't kick straight , yarran will be happy to take over mid season. I really hope croz can play other position rather than ballas place , he just not good at it last season, a change of position might be good.

 

[wayToGo_]

If Mayne can't kick straight , yarran will be happy to take over mid season. I really hope croz can play other position rather than ballas place.

People keep saying this but he was more accurate in front of goals than Pav, Ballaz, Croz and Tabs last year and I don't think I have read posts about how bad their goal accuracy was. Is it we expect more because Mayne used to be the league's most accurate goal kicker? And yes I know, he missed a critical goal for us but it's like disowning Sheridan for his dropped mark. It happens, they need to move on and so do we. At least these two guys actually had the ball in their hands in the first place!

 

[Banker]

An in form Mayne is a great player and if he is fit and firing then it bodes well for us.

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I think we really need Mayne scoring goals like a couple of seasons ago to be a 1st selection.

Really hope there has been some good changes this year.

 

[meima]

People keep saying this but he was more accurate in front of goals than Pav, Ballaz, Croz and Tabs last year and I don't think I have read posts about how bad their goal accuracy was. Is it we expect more because Mayne used to be the league's most accurate goal kicker? And yes I know, he missed a critical goal for us but it's like disowning Sheridan for his dropped mark. It happens, they need to move on and so do we. At least these two guys actually had the ball in their hands in the first place!

I already move on by giving him until Mid season to kick accurately against good team and when under pressure. Half a season is a lot of time. In addition Yarran need to prove it in WAFL knowing how Ross select player.

 

[freo84]

I think we really need Mayne scoring goals like a couple of seasons ago to be a 1st selection.

Really hope there has been some good changes this year.

For sure. The defense first mentality got us close but we need to attack as well as we defend. Mayne can be an attacking player and play the part well.
Hopefully we get to see the new and improved attacking game plan more.

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[Nickos66]

I'd like to see Mayne put under some pressure to retain his spot, yes he has his pressure acts, but he also lacks the versatility to run through the midfield with decent impact that his potential replacement options could do. If he can't do that the he'd sure as hell better have his goalkicking boots on.

 

[freoextra]

If Mayne hits the scoreboard in the first few games, as he is capable of and his training is indicating, he will not only be in our best 22 he will be in our first dozen picked.

I love the fact that we have quick Forwards in Bennell, Mayne, Ballas, Walters and now Weller to compliment our more slow moving vehicles in Pav, Tabs and big Griff.

 

[theGav56]

I'd like to see Mayne put under some pressure to retain his spot, yes he has his pressure acts, but he also lacks the versatility to run through the midfield with decent impact that his potential replacement options could do. If he can't do that the he'd sure as hell better have his goalkicking boots on.

I would like to see Mayne under pressure too, but he is not even our worst performing forward. Taberner and Crozier have the capacity to put that pressure on but have done next to nothing really. Yarran certainly won't be getting early games, and Bennell is unlikely to play the same role. De Boer is possibly closest in terms of similar role but is borderline best 22 at best, and the cupboard becomes bare after that.

Special mention for Weller who may play forward, more in tandem with Walters and Ballantyne rather than a Mayne alternative.

 

[theGav56]

I'd like to see Mayne put under some pressure to retain his spot, yes he has his pressure acts, but he also lacks the versatility to run through the midfield with decent impact that his potential replacement options could do. If he can't do that the he'd sure as hell better have his goalkicking boots on.

I would like to see Mayne under pressure too, but he is not even our worst performing forward. Taberner and Crozier have the capacity to put that pressure on but have done next to nothing really. Yarran certainly won't be getting early games, and Bennell is unlikely to play the same role. De Boer is possibly closest in terms of similar role but is borderline best 22 at best, and the cupboard becomes bare after that.

Special mention for Weller who may play forward, more in tandem with Walters and Ballantyne rather than a Mayne alternative.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Tabs has improved his marking but is still to easily out muscled when competing in pack marking contests . Clarke has to play so I suggest Hannath will be dropped to make way for him .
Smith not playing in the Tigers game was a strange one for me , he needs to play against the Crows if he is going to be retained on our list is my gut feeling .
Now I'm going to make an observation about Fyfe so please take it the right way and not shoot the poster
Fyfe in my honest opinion has added too much bulk over the preseason . He is looking fantastic but the extra bulk has slowed him down and he has lost some of his agility as a result . In making my judgement about his build i will remind posters of a little history 1 past player and 2 current players .
Medhurst became a weighs junkie as a result he became too heavy and lost his weapons of mobility and evasiveness . Hannath and Grey last year made the same mistake .Hannath built up so much he couldn't get off the ground ,Grey last year built up his thighs and calfs so much he had to have the physios massage his legs every time he went to the bench and between every quarter of football.
Anyone that has been to training has commented about how much better both players look this year with their new body shape . I think Fyfe decided that to break more tackles he needed to put more time in the gym but my feeling is that he has taken it too far and he needs to re visit the fitness coaches .
Did anyone else notice that he had lost some speed in the Richmond game .

 

[Mr Peabody]

I think Fyfe decided that to break more tackles he needed to put more time in the gym but my feeling is that he has taken it too far and he needs to re visit the fitness coaches . Did anyone else notice that he had lost some speed in the Richmond game .

I hadn't noticed but he could also be impacted by the interrupted preseason and he clearly is not at peak fitness given they are managing his minutes. To me he looks similar in bulk to last year but you've seen him up close so if indeed he has added bulk, could this be because of the intention to play him forward 50/50 as well? I know what you mean about Medhurst and wonder how Lachine Neale is going to go as his added bulk was quit stark - in his interview he made mention of the focus thereon over the preseason. That one will be an interesting one to watch.

 

[ydraw]

I would like to see Mayne under pressure too, but he is not even our worst performing forward. Taberner and Crozier have the capacity to put that pressure on but have done next to nothing really.

Tabs and Crozier didn't get much of a crack last year. Tabs played 15 games and was subbed out for half of them. Crozier played 11 and was the sub in a few of those.

Pretty hard to compare them to someone who played every game and was never subbed off.

 

[Mr Peabody]

Special mention for Weller who may play forward, more in tandem with Walters and Ballantyne rather than a Mayne alternative.

And a special mention to Tendai who has acknowledged since the weekend that he is being rotated through there too. Looked really solid on the weekend.

 

[wayToGo_]

Now I'm going to make an observation about Fyfe so please take it the right way and not shoot the poster
Fyfe in my honest opinion has added too much bulk over the preseason . He is looking fantastic but the extra bulk has slowed him down and he has lost some of his agility as a result . In making my judgement about his build i will remind posters of a little history 1 past player and 2 current players .
Medhurst became a weighs junkie as a result he became too heavy and lost his weapons of mobility and evasiveness . Hannath and Grey last year made the same mistake .Hannath built up so much he couldn't get off the ground ,Grey last year built up his thighs and calfs so much he had to have the physios massage his legs every time he went to the bench and between every quarter of football.
Anyone that has been to training has commented about how much better both players look this year with their new body shape . I think Fyfe decided that to break more tackles he needed to put more time in the gym but my feeling is that he has taken it too far and he needs to re visit the fitness coaches .
Did anyone else notice that he had lost some speed in the Richmond game .

Think you may be jumping the gun with your analysis. Fyfe came on in the second half when the game was already over. And I agree he wasn't at his usual pace from last year but (a) he didn't need to be; (b) they are easing him in so he is probably under direction to take it easy in NAB; and (c) he still racked up some massive numbers - 18 disposals with 11 being contested in just a half isn't too shabby for a first game back, admittedly against kids mind you.

I think they'll get him to take another step next game and then another in the final game. But I'd wait until round 1 starts to assess if he's lost any pace at the expense of muscle gain. And if so, whether that will impact anything either positively or negatively. My gut feel is he'll be fine and is just building up gradually to 100%.