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Ha, day off today, get all the goss tomorrow.
Gary Buckenara analyses Fremantle’s list after the 2017 season
GARY BUCKENARA, Herald Sun
October 15, 2017 10:21am
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The Dockers need to invest in the draft to bring in top-end talent to replace the stars it has lost — Matthew Pavlich and Luke McPharlin — and those set to retire in the next year or two like Aaron Sandilands, Michael Johnson, David Mundy and Hayden Ballantyne.
GARY BUCKENARA: WHAT REALLY HAPPENS DURING THE TRADE PERIOD
GARY BUCKENARA: IF YOU THINK TRADE TALKS STOP ON THE WEEKEND, THINK AGAIN
The challenge and courage it takes to build a list via the draft is to understand and accept the players you draft now can help you in three years, rather than straight away like a player from a rival club.
Ross needs to understand that this is the right call.
The way forward for Fremantle is to make tough decisions on some of the club’s experienced players and those who have been around for years like Danyle Pearce, Nick Suban, Matt Taberner and even Michael Apeness.
Bradley Hill had an outstanding first season at the Dockers. Picture: Getty
Clear out the players who won’t be in the club’s premiership model and take a bunch of picks to the draft for the next two years.
This year’s draft is an even one, but next year’s is likely to be the next superdraft and the Dockers can set up their next era from there.
Stop topping up with fringe players or C-graders from rival clubs.
The reason they struggled so much late was because of the injury toll and the list simply does not have the depth, despite having those experienced role players on the list, at the moment to cover for missing stars.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
GOLD COAST: THE DEAL SUNS SHOULD CONSIDER FOR LYNCH
WESTERN BULLDOGS: IS TRENGOVE THE MISSING PIECE?
PORT ADELAIDE: HAWKS PAIR WOULD FIT AT POWER
BRISBANE: HODGE AN ‘UNBELIEVABLE’ STEAL
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The way to get that depth though isn’t by grabbing an experienced C-grade player or two from an opposition club.
Fremantle needs to develop their own because these young kids will likely to develop into better players, particularly if they’re taken with early picks, than a fringe player from a rival club.
Connor Blakely is a good example of this.
He was basically a consistent best 22 player this year and his development went through the roof and became one of the club’s best on-ballers.
This is exactly what I’m talking about in giving young players a go rather than role players from rival clubs.
Fremantle and coach Ross Lyon need to put their faith in the draft, Gary Buckenara writes. Picture: Getty
On the surface, given the results at the end of the season with consecutive 100-point losses, it would appear the Fremantle list is in deep trouble, but that’s not actually the case — it’s not panic stations.
The list is a lot better than that, it just hasn’t had a lot of luck with injuries in the past two years, which has exacerbated the issues with the list and exposed holes.
But when it’s fully fit — and Nat Fyfe and Sandilands are the big ones — it can be competitive.
Look at the midfield with Fyfe, Mundy, Lachie Neale, the Hill brothers, Blakely, Ed Langdon, Lachie Weller, and with Sandilands in the ruck and Harley Bennell as the wildcard who can be an A-grader if he can now stay on the park.
That The midfield actually has some potency to it, and if all fit and firing will make Fremantle a very competitive team.
Down back I really like Griffin Logue as a young, developing player who I believe can become a good key defender alongside Joel Hamling, but hopefully with another big-bodied big man to help them in the future.
One player the Dockers should be asking about in the trade period is Swan Aliir Aliir. Picture: Phil Hillyard
Alex Pearce has shown good signs but was injured for basically the whole season.
Luke Ryan can then be free to be the medium defender who can play that intercept-marking role that is so crucial now.
While I want to see Fremantle invest in the draft I wouldn’t be opposed to it asking the question of Aliir Aliir and Sydney.
He would be basically a read-made replacement for Michael Johnson down back as that tall defender who can intercept mark and create off halfback.
He would probably come at a reasonable price too — I’d offer a third-round pick and see what the Swans say — given he has played NEAFL basically all season.
He went to the Swans from WA, so being in more familiar surroundings might help.
Fremantle is keen on GWS halfback Nathan Wilson, but he wouldn’t be a priority for the club’s needs according to Gary Buckenara. Picture: Getty
The Dockers appear set to land Greater Western Sydney halfback Nathan Wilson, but for me he wouldn’t really be a priority for what this list needs.
While he is a good player, the priority for Fremantle should be talls.
What he does do, though, is add leg speed, and he really likes to run and create so he should add some dash off that half-back line.
How the Dockers get the deal done will be interesting as they don’t have a second-round pick this year.
It could cost them a second-rounder in next year’s draft, although I’d be very hesitant to give any 2018 picks up for next year given the strength of the draft and the fact Fremantle needs to rebuild.
They should also land Gold Coast small forward Brandon Matera, which is an OK move.
He’s not a star, but Hayden Ballantyne won’t play forever so he’ll be that small forward replacement.
He shouldn’t cost too much, perhaps a third-round pick.
WHAT THEY NEED
The club is still feeling the loss of Pavlich.
Cam McCarthy had a disappointing season and will need to put in a big pre-season to increase his engine and Shane Kersten will benefit when he’s the third tall rather than the second one.
Key position players must be a focus in the draft, particularly with early picks.
Cam McCarthy didn’t have a huge impact in his first season. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
Is Shane Kersten good enough? Picture: Getty
UNDER THE PUMP
McCarthy and Kersten need to stand up next year and perform more consistently as the club’s two focal points, while there are some big decisions to be made at Fremantle on players including Danyle Pearce, Suban, Apeness and Taberner.
Are McCarthy and Kersten capable of being consistent performers like Fremantle needs them to be?
They both have talent but have their issues — Kersten has always struggled with fitness and work ethic and McCarthy has talent but had personal issues.
If they can get themselves right and throw everything at becoming the best AFL players they can be then Fremantle will be in a good position, but if they don’t then it will set the club back. That’s why the club must draft young key forwards, because there are a few question marks.
Taberner has been given plenty of chances and Apeness was also pencilled in as potential replacements for Pavlich, but they’re struggling.
Gary Buckenara would delist veteran midfielder Danyle Pearce and other experienced players to start Fremantle’s rebuild. Picture: Getty
BUCKY’S LIST CHANGES
Zac Dawson, Garrick Ibbotson and Shane Yarran have retired, while Zac Clarke, Jonathon Griffin, Sam Collins and rookies Josh Deluca and Matthew Uebergang have been delisted, so that is a lot of changes.
But I’d also move on Danyle Pearce and Suban so the club can stockpile young talent.
I’d also facilitate the trade for Harley Balic back to Victoria given his personal circumstances this year.
CRYSTAL BALL
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Fremantle knocking on the door of the top eight in 2018, but a lot will depend on it having a healthy list with Fyfe and Sandilands leading the way, McCarthy and Kersten becoming consistent performers and Hamling developing further into his defensive role.
If the club can move on more of those experienced players — and I back the decision to move on back-up ruckmen Clarke and Griffin — like Pearce and Suban and bring in some talented youngsters via the draft and watch them develop, I expect them to be in the mix to play finals for the next two to three years.
COMMENTS
GARY BUCKENARA, Herald Sun
October 15, 2017 10:21am
Subscriber only
- COLLINGWOOD: THREE BIGGEST ISSUES HURTING PIES
- MELBOURNE: WHAT DOES LEVER MEAN FOR DEMONS?
- ADELAIDE: CROWS SHOULDN’T SELL FARM FOR GIBBS
- ESSENDON: ARE BOMBERS ENTERING FLAG WINDOW?
The Dockers need to invest in the draft to bring in top-end talent to replace the stars it has lost — Matthew Pavlich and Luke McPharlin — and those set to retire in the next year or two like Aaron Sandilands, Michael Johnson, David Mundy and Hayden Ballantyne.
GARY BUCKENARA: WHAT REALLY HAPPENS DURING THE TRADE PERIOD
GARY BUCKENARA: IF YOU THINK TRADE TALKS STOP ON THE WEEKEND, THINK AGAIN
The challenge and courage it takes to build a list via the draft is to understand and accept the players you draft now can help you in three years, rather than straight away like a player from a rival club.
Ross needs to understand that this is the right call.
The way forward for Fremantle is to make tough decisions on some of the club’s experienced players and those who have been around for years like Danyle Pearce, Nick Suban, Matt Taberner and even Michael Apeness.
Bradley Hill had an outstanding first season at the Dockers. Picture: Getty
Clear out the players who won’t be in the club’s premiership model and take a bunch of picks to the draft for the next two years.
This year’s draft is an even one, but next year’s is likely to be the next superdraft and the Dockers can set up their next era from there.
Stop topping up with fringe players or C-graders from rival clubs.
The reason they struggled so much late was because of the injury toll and the list simply does not have the depth, despite having those experienced role players on the list, at the moment to cover for missing stars.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
GOLD COAST: THE DEAL SUNS SHOULD CONSIDER FOR LYNCH
WESTERN BULLDOGS: IS TRENGOVE THE MISSING PIECE?
PORT ADELAIDE: HAWKS PAIR WOULD FIT AT POWER
BRISBANE: HODGE AN ‘UNBELIEVABLE’ STEAL
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The way to get that depth though isn’t by grabbing an experienced C-grade player or two from an opposition club.
Fremantle needs to develop their own because these young kids will likely to develop into better players, particularly if they’re taken with early picks, than a fringe player from a rival club.
Connor Blakely is a good example of this.
He was basically a consistent best 22 player this year and his development went through the roof and became one of the club’s best on-ballers.
This is exactly what I’m talking about in giving young players a go rather than role players from rival clubs.
Fremantle and coach Ross Lyon need to put their faith in the draft, Gary Buckenara writes. Picture: Getty
On the surface, given the results at the end of the season with consecutive 100-point losses, it would appear the Fremantle list is in deep trouble, but that’s not actually the case — it’s not panic stations.
The list is a lot better than that, it just hasn’t had a lot of luck with injuries in the past two years, which has exacerbated the issues with the list and exposed holes.
But when it’s fully fit — and Nat Fyfe and Sandilands are the big ones — it can be competitive.
Look at the midfield with Fyfe, Mundy, Lachie Neale, the Hill brothers, Blakely, Ed Langdon, Lachie Weller, and with Sandilands in the ruck and Harley Bennell as the wildcard who can be an A-grader if he can now stay on the park.
That The midfield actually has some potency to it, and if all fit and firing will make Fremantle a very competitive team.
Down back I really like Griffin Logue as a young, developing player who I believe can become a good key defender alongside Joel Hamling, but hopefully with another big-bodied big man to help them in the future.
One player the Dockers should be asking about in the trade period is Swan Aliir Aliir. Picture: Phil Hillyard
Alex Pearce has shown good signs but was injured for basically the whole season.
Luke Ryan can then be free to be the medium defender who can play that intercept-marking role that is so crucial now.
While I want to see Fremantle invest in the draft I wouldn’t be opposed to it asking the question of Aliir Aliir and Sydney.
He would be basically a read-made replacement for Michael Johnson down back as that tall defender who can intercept mark and create off halfback.
He would probably come at a reasonable price too — I’d offer a third-round pick and see what the Swans say — given he has played NEAFL basically all season.
He went to the Swans from WA, so being in more familiar surroundings might help.
Fremantle is keen on GWS halfback Nathan Wilson, but he wouldn’t be a priority for the club’s needs according to Gary Buckenara. Picture: Getty
The Dockers appear set to land Greater Western Sydney halfback Nathan Wilson, but for me he wouldn’t really be a priority for what this list needs.
While he is a good player, the priority for Fremantle should be talls.
What he does do, though, is add leg speed, and he really likes to run and create so he should add some dash off that half-back line.
How the Dockers get the deal done will be interesting as they don’t have a second-round pick this year.
It could cost them a second-rounder in next year’s draft, although I’d be very hesitant to give any 2018 picks up for next year given the strength of the draft and the fact Fremantle needs to rebuild.
They should also land Gold Coast small forward Brandon Matera, which is an OK move.
He’s not a star, but Hayden Ballantyne won’t play forever so he’ll be that small forward replacement.
He shouldn’t cost too much, perhaps a third-round pick.
WHAT THEY NEED
The club is still feeling the loss of Pavlich.
Cam McCarthy had a disappointing season and will need to put in a big pre-season to increase his engine and Shane Kersten will benefit when he’s the third tall rather than the second one.
Key position players must be a focus in the draft, particularly with early picks.
Cam McCarthy didn’t have a huge impact in his first season. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
Is Shane Kersten good enough? Picture: Getty
UNDER THE PUMP
McCarthy and Kersten need to stand up next year and perform more consistently as the club’s two focal points, while there are some big decisions to be made at Fremantle on players including Danyle Pearce, Suban, Apeness and Taberner.
Are McCarthy and Kersten capable of being consistent performers like Fremantle needs them to be?
They both have talent but have their issues — Kersten has always struggled with fitness and work ethic and McCarthy has talent but had personal issues.
If they can get themselves right and throw everything at becoming the best AFL players they can be then Fremantle will be in a good position, but if they don’t then it will set the club back. That’s why the club must draft young key forwards, because there are a few question marks.
Taberner has been given plenty of chances and Apeness was also pencilled in as potential replacements for Pavlich, but they’re struggling.
Gary Buckenara would delist veteran midfielder Danyle Pearce and other experienced players to start Fremantle’s rebuild. Picture: Getty
BUCKY’S LIST CHANGES
Zac Dawson, Garrick Ibbotson and Shane Yarran have retired, while Zac Clarke, Jonathon Griffin, Sam Collins and rookies Josh Deluca and Matthew Uebergang have been delisted, so that is a lot of changes.
But I’d also move on Danyle Pearce and Suban so the club can stockpile young talent.
I’d also facilitate the trade for Harley Balic back to Victoria given his personal circumstances this year.
CRYSTAL BALL
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Fremantle knocking on the door of the top eight in 2018, but a lot will depend on it having a healthy list with Fyfe and Sandilands leading the way, McCarthy and Kersten becoming consistent performers and Hamling developing further into his defensive role.
If the club can move on more of those experienced players — and I back the decision to move on back-up ruckmen Clarke and Griffin — like Pearce and Suban and bring in some talented youngsters via the draft and watch them develop, I expect them to be in the mix to play finals for the next two to three years.
COMMENTS
That is list analysis roughly of the quality I would expect from your average BF pundit. Poorly researched and fingernail deep analysis.Gary Buckenara analyses Fremantle’s list after the 2017 season
GARY BUCKENARA, Herald Sun
October 15, 2017 10:21am
Subscriber only
FREMANTLE and coach Ross Lyon have a history of trading for players from rival clubs rather than investing in the draft and it’s time for that to stop, for now.
- COLLINGWOOD: THREE BIGGEST ISSUES HURTING PIES
- MELBOURNE: WHAT DOES LEVER MEAN FOR DEMONS?
- ADELAIDE: CROWS SHOULDN’T SELL FARM FOR GIBBS
- ESSENDON: ARE BOMBERS ENTERING FLAG WINDOW?
The Dockers need to invest in the draft to bring in top-end talent to replace the stars it has lost — Matthew Pavlich and Luke McPharlin — and those set to retire in the next year or two like Aaron Sandilands, Michael Johnson, David Mundy and Hayden Ballantyne.
GARY BUCKENARA: WHAT REALLY HAPPENS DURING THE TRADE PERIOD
GARY BUCKENARA: IF YOU THINK TRADE TALKS STOP ON THE WEEKEND, THINK AGAIN
The challenge and courage it takes to build a list via the draft is to understand and accept the players you draft now can help you in three years, rather than straight away like a player from a rival club.
Ross needs to understand that this is the right call.
The way forward for Fremantle is to make tough decisions on some of the club’s experienced players and those who have been around for years like Danyle Pearce, Nick Suban, Matt Taberner and even Michael Apeness.
Bradley Hill had an outstanding first season at the Dockers. Picture: Getty
Clear out the players who won’t be in the club’s premiership model and take a bunch of picks to the draft for the next two years.
This year’s draft is an even one, but next year’s is likely to be the next superdraft and the Dockers can set up their next era from there.
Stop topping up with fringe players or C-graders from rival clubs.
The reason they struggled so much late was because of the injury toll and the list simply does not have the depth, despite having those experienced role players on the list, at the moment to cover for missing stars.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
GOLD COAST: THE DEAL SUNS SHOULD CONSIDER FOR LYNCH
WESTERN BULLDOGS: IS TRENGOVE THE MISSING PIECE?
PORT ADELAIDE: HAWKS PAIR WOULD FIT AT POWER
BRISBANE: HODGE AN ‘UNBELIEVABLE’ STEAL
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The way to get that depth though isn’t by grabbing an experienced C-grade player or two from an opposition club.
Fremantle needs to develop their own because these young kids will likely to develop into better players, particularly if they’re taken with early picks, than a fringe player from a rival club.
Connor Blakely is a good example of this.
He was basically a consistent best 22 player this year and his development went through the roof and became one of the club’s best on-ballers.
This is exactly what I’m talking about in giving young players a go rather than role players from rival clubs.
Fremantle and coach Ross Lyon need to put their faith in the draft, Gary Buckenara writes. Picture: Getty
On the surface, given the results at the end of the season with consecutive 100-point losses, it would appear the Fremantle list is in deep trouble, but that’s not actually the case — it’s not panic stations.
The list is a lot better than that, it just hasn’t had a lot of luck with injuries in the past two years, which has exacerbated the issues with the list and exposed holes.
But when it’s fully fit — and Nat Fyfe and Sandilands are the big ones — it can be competitive.
Look at the midfield with Fyfe, Mundy, Lachie Neale, the Hill brothers, Blakely, Ed Langdon, Lachie Weller, and with Sandilands in the ruck and Harley Bennell as the wildcard who can be an A-grader if he can now stay on the park.
That The midfield actually has some potency to it, and if all fit and firing will make Fremantle a very competitive team.
Down back I really like Griffin Logue as a young, developing player who I believe can become a good key defender alongside Joel Hamling, but hopefully with another big-bodied big man to help them in the future.
One player the Dockers should be asking about in the trade period is Swan Aliir Aliir. Picture: Phil Hillyard
Alex Pearce has shown good signs but was injured for basically the whole season.
Luke Ryan can then be free to be the medium defender who can play that intercept-marking role that is so crucial now.
While I want to see Fremantle invest in the draft I wouldn’t be opposed to it asking the question of Aliir Aliir and Sydney.
He would be basically a read-made replacement for Michael Johnson down back as that tall defender who can intercept mark and create off halfback.
He would probably come at a reasonable price too — I’d offer a third-round pick and see what the Swans say — given he has played NEAFL basically all season.
He went to the Swans from WA, so being in more familiar surroundings might help.
Fremantle is keen on GWS halfback Nathan Wilson, but he wouldn’t be a priority for the club’s needs according to Gary Buckenara. Picture: Getty
The Dockers appear set to land Greater Western Sydney halfback Nathan Wilson, but for me he wouldn’t really be a priority for what this list needs.
While he is a good player, the priority for Fremantle should be talls.
What he does do, though, is add leg speed, and he really likes to run and create so he should add some dash off that half-back line.
How the Dockers get the deal done will be interesting as they don’t have a second-round pick this year.
It could cost them a second-rounder in next year’s draft, although I’d be very hesitant to give any 2018 picks up for next year given the strength of the draft and the fact Fremantle needs to rebuild.
They should also land Gold Coast small forward Brandon Matera, which is an OK move.
He’s not a star, but Hayden Ballantyne won’t play forever so he’ll be that small forward replacement.
He shouldn’t cost too much, perhaps a third-round pick.
WHAT THEY NEED
The club is still feeling the loss of Pavlich.
Cam McCarthy had a disappointing season and will need to put in a big pre-season to increase his engine and Shane Kersten will benefit when he’s the third tall rather than the second one.
Key position players must be a focus in the draft, particularly with early picks.
Cam McCarthy didn’t have a huge impact in his first season. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
Is Shane Kersten good enough? Picture: Getty
UNDER THE PUMP
McCarthy and Kersten need to stand up next year and perform more consistently as the club’s two focal points, while there are some big decisions to be made at Fremantle on players including Danyle Pearce, Suban, Apeness and Taberner.
Are McCarthy and Kersten capable of being consistent performers like Fremantle needs them to be?
They both have talent but have their issues — Kersten has always struggled with fitness and work ethic and McCarthy has talent but had personal issues.
If they can get themselves right and throw everything at becoming the best AFL players they can be then Fremantle will be in a good position, but if they don’t then it will set the club back. That’s why the club must draft young key forwards, because there are a few question marks.
Taberner has been given plenty of chances and Apeness was also pencilled in as potential replacements for Pavlich, but they’re struggling.
Gary Buckenara would delist veteran midfielder Danyle Pearce and other experienced players to start Fremantle’s rebuild. Picture: Getty
BUCKY’S LIST CHANGES
Zac Dawson, Garrick Ibbotson and Shane Yarran have retired, while Zac Clarke, Jonathon Griffin, Sam Collins and rookies Josh Deluca and Matthew Uebergang have been delisted, so that is a lot of changes.
But I’d also move on Danyle Pearce and Suban so the club can stockpile young talent.
I’d also facilitate the trade for Harley Balic back to Victoria given his personal circumstances this year.
CRYSTAL BALL
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Fremantle knocking on the door of the top eight in 2018, but a lot will depend on it having a healthy list with Fyfe and Sandilands leading the way, McCarthy and Kersten becoming consistent performers and Hamling developing further into his defensive role.
If the club can move on more of those experienced players — and I back the decision to move on back-up ruckmen Clarke and Griffin — like Pearce and Suban and bring in some talented youngsters via the draft and watch them develop, I expect them to be in the mix to play finals for the next two to three years.
COMMENTS
Terrible.
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Agreed, full of contradictions too.
Our Achilles heal is our ball movement out of the backline. Wilson is exactly what we need
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He does know Apeness has been injured and is still contracted right? And as for drafting a KPF to play alongside Kersten and Can Mac, he said himself earlier in the article that the draft is investing for 3 years time (particularly for talls).
No mention of Alex Pearce but he wants us to make a bid for Aliir Aliir? Please.
Grade = D minus
Gary needs to pay more attention in class.
No mention of Alex Pearce but he wants us to make a bid for Aliir Aliir? Please.
Grade = D minus
Gary needs to pay more attention in class.
Whilst some things he said are true, any footy fan can tell that just by watching us play or by looking at our points for. See any number of posts around ours pointing out the flaws in his discussion.
In no way worthy of being published anyway other than on a site like this. Of course mike91 is right about the general state of journalism. I expect his level of analysis of others clubs is not better.
He did mention Pearce but said he's unknown (if he can come back firing) at this point which is true.
The rest of it is nonsense. We have invested substantially in the draft every year but its crazy not to pick up bargains from other clubs when they fall in your lap like Hill, Hamling, McCarthy, Bennell and this year Wilson and Matera.
We have holes in the age demographic from some poor draft years, compromised drafts and bad luck (Morabito, Pitt and Simpson).
It makes perfect sense to trade for bargains to fill those list holes and keep the age profile in the sweet spot where you have players across all age groups.
I'd say Gary was paid per word.
I still like the look of the bloke E Shed mentioned ages ago too.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/wafl/c...rick-farrant-be-was-draft-smoky-ng-b88572583z
Can't remember the word Tundrawolf used to describe our approach to this draft, 'ravenous' or something, but I have the feeling we're going to be pretty effective.
I still like the look of the bloke E Shed mentioned ages ago too.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/wafl/c...rick-farrant-be-was-draft-smoky-ng-b88572583z
Can't remember the word Tundrawolf used to describe our approach to this draft, 'ravenous' or something, but I have the feeling we're going to be pretty effective.
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Fremantle should stop trading in C-grade players, then goes on to suggest trading for Aliir Aliir.
This ****ing guy.
This ****ing guy.
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I like some and dislike some not all bad , won't really know until 2018 season ended .
“FREMANTLE and coach Ross Lyon have a history of trading for players from rival clubs rather than investing in the draft.”
Trade past 6- years
2011 - no player trades, end of first round compo traded for pick 20. Zac Dawson PSD
2012 - Danyle Pearce RFA
2013 - Traded for Scott Gumbleton. Colin Sylvia RFA
2014 - Nothing
2015 - Traded for Harley Bennell
2016 - Traded for Hill, Kersten, Hamling, McCarthy
Draft past 6- years
2011 - 5 ND picks + rookies (kept 1st rd pick)
2012 - 3 ND + rookies (kept 1st rd pick)
2013 - 3 ND + rookies (kept 1st rd pick)
2014 - 4 ND + rookies (kept 1st rd pick)
2015 - 4 ND + rookies (no 1st rd pick and two were mature aged draftees)
2016 - 4 ND + rookies (kept 1st rd pick)
I wouldn’t suggest that shows a history of trading for rival players until 2016. Prior to that only Gumbleton and Bennell were traded for.
Also a strategy implemented prior to Lyon’s arrival in about 2009 was to keep our first pick and pick a freeby in PSD/Free agency. This strategy was scrapped in 2014 due to the Anthony, Sylvia pick ups.
2009 - McPhee (PSD) + Morabito (4)
2010 - Anthony (PSD) + Pitt (20)
2011 - Dawson (PSD) + Sheridan (16)
2012 - Pearce (RFA) + Simpson (17)
2013 - Sylvia (RFA) + Apeness (17)
This strategy clearly sucked but it has be noted that we had late first round picks aside from 2009.
Buckenarra makes a few valid points but Nathan Wilson is much better than a C-grader. Also after making a point of criticising our trade strategy in 2016 listed Hamling and Hill as brilliant additions. McCarthy and Kersten cost us bugger all.
Also as mentioned above Aliir Aliir is a C or even D grader so no idea after delisting Collins why we would go anywhere near there.
Bit of a nothing article TBH.
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Hahhaa that bit I really enjoyed. You people read article too seriously.
Our last rebuild started just before the expansion clubs came in iirc. We had stuff all to draft around that time and I thought we did remarkably well in the circumstances.
I agree with you about the apparent contradictions in what he wrote.
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If we’re knocking on the door of the 8 in the 3rd year of a 4 year rebuild, and given the extent of the list changes we’ve undergone, I’d say we’re tracking pretty decently! (Perhaps 2 years ahead of schedule).
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I think if Hawthorn still infront of Freo in 2018 I will give this article a big tick. Just look at their rebuild Tom Mitchell , o Meara , Vickery( spud), impey .
Purpellian Anchor
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Yes it may be Jaoa (their most times full of it and slack journalism) but I'm not into popularism either to determine one thing or another about our club and redeveloping our player list. Just a few points....dont normally agree with much Bucky says but I say here on the money... though he may not have the same reasons as myself..we need a another big defender now that Ubers is not an option. Maybe we can get Taylor to go with Pearce and Hamling. At the moment, whether we like it or not Tabs and Apeness we just don't know. So we need one more or two at least talls that can be developed around team structure and game plan. What I do not agree with him on....our priority is grunt and skill out in the middle - so an inside mid with our first pick which I believe we have already pegged and he's a ripper.
Purpellian Anchor
Purple Admiralty
What's wrong with Alirr Alirr, not disagreeing but like to know why?
SHill Shall
Club Legend
Mitchell was a great trade (achieved by still leveraging off being the long time number 1 team) but O’Meara could yet be a monumental mistake, even worse than Vickery already clearly is. Impey is all in the future but seems a bit meh. Their drafting of Burton is the one stellar success they’ve achieved in the last couple of years - brilliant player already and will be a league leader in coming years.
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