Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[Magruder]

Dylan Shiel, 23
Jonathon Patton, 23
Devon Smith, 23
Josh Kelly, 21
Jacob Hopper, 19
Zac Williams, 22
Adam Tomlinson, 23
Matt Kennedy, 19
Harrison Himmelberg, 20
Matt Buntine, 23
Adam Kennedy, 24
Jeremy Finlayson, 20
Steve Johnson, 33
Dawson Simpson, 27

Nice list of out of contract players on GWS's list this year

Shiel and Patton would be nice SOS *nudge nudge wink wink*

Sheil, Hopper, Finlayson would be my preferred targets.

I'd settle for Sheil & Patton though

 

[Azul]

Finlayson is the one I'd be targeting. Lives just down the road from MacReadie.

Key forward who hasn't debuted ahead of Cameron, Patton and Lobb.

Most of the rest will all be hoping to play in the Giants' 2017-9 premiership 3peat. Although Buntine would probably be moved on as steak-knives for salary cap reasons.

 

[Jeremias]

Dylan Shiel, 23
Jonathon Patton, 23
Devon Smith, 23
Josh Kelly, 21
Jacob Hopper, 19
Zac Williams, 22
Adam Tomlinson, 23
Matt Kennedy, 19
Harrison Himmelberg, 20
Matt Buntine, 23
Adam Kennedy, 24
Jeremy Finlayson, 20
Steve Johnson, 33
Dawson Simpson, 27

Plenty of quality there. I'd be happy to see any of the above in navy blue, other than the final two names.

Expect most to re-sign with the Giants but they will almost certainly lose more talent at the end of next season and once again we are in as good a place as any to be able to take advantage of that.

 

[Jimmae]

Same thing you have said for the past two years and you've been wrong both times.

Players with little to offer will be flung, that is an unescapable fact !!!

It is completely irrelevant whether we have trade options or not, the list will get turned over again, replacements will come from the ND, FA & a trade or two.

I agree that dead wood will go, but that is a contracting list of candidates. We're not going to chuck useful role players out the door in some bid to get lucky with pick 90+.

What I said the last two years is that I don't understand why we'd give up our players for limited return. As it turns out, we don't, but even that list of candidates is shrinking. Clubs will not be prepared to match our valuations for players like Murphy or Gibbs, and guys like Kreuzer and Thomas might wind up being worth more to us as senior players than their trade value.

The only way around this is managing to bump up the trade value of some of the guys we've recently acquired like Boekhorst, Gorringe, Phillips or Kerridge, or alternatively a top 8 team seeing one of our senior fringe as a missing role player for their squad.

Finlayson is the one I'd be targeting. Lives just down the road from MacReadie.

Key forward who hasn't debuted ahead of Cameron, Patton and Lobb.

Most of the rest will all be hoping to play in the Giants' 2017-9 premiership 3peat. Although Buntine would probably be moved on as steak-knives for salary cap reasons.

Finlayson is a medium defender?

 

[Azul]

Finlayson is a medium defender?

Qué?

 

[Jimmae]

Qué?

You've said he's a key forward; he's a medium defender.

 

[Azul]

You've said he's a key forward; he's a medium defender.

At 194cm? are we talking about the same player?

"A tall forward who can play deep in attack where he can be difficult to stop with his strong marking ability."

 

[Jimmae]

At 194cm? are we talking about the same player?

"A tall forward who can play deep in attack where he can be difficult to stop with his strong marking ability."

Yeah he's around 192-194, but he's a rake who runs all day and has a good left peg. Where are you getting that bio from?

Are you sure you're not thinking of Himmelberg?

 

[Soapy V]

Josh Kelly is who I would chase. Genuine star with elite kicking. Look great in our midfield

 

[Azul]

Where are you getting that bio from?

click the link - their website.

 

[LordLucifer]

I agree that dead wood will go, but that is a contracting list of candidates. We're not going to chuck useful role players out the door in some bid to get lucky with pick 90+.

Sorry, I'm sick to ****ing death of reading comments like that.

The player is either capable of playing senior footy and to an acceptable level or he isn't. If he is he stays, if he isn't he goes, its a very simple equation.

There is no "role" to play either, this isn't MacBeth or Phantom of the Opera we are putting on.

 

[Jimmae]

click the link - their website.

Played BP/HBF/wing his entire time at the club to this point, and played HBF at the Champs.

Himmelberg on the other hand is a wiry key forward, but he too has been used in defence. I reckon Himmelberg is the bigger chance to be swung forward in the reserves.

 

[Jimmae]

Sorry, I'm sick to ******* death of reading comments like that.

The player is either capable of playing senior footy and to an acceptable level or he isn't. If he is he stays, if he isn't he goes, its a very simple equation.

There is no "role" to play either, this isn't MacBeth or Phantom of the Opera we are putting on.

That's exactly what 'role player' tends to mean. Would you be happy with Sumner staying on the list? Wright? Are either superstars of the competition?

Are either elite at their position?

Are they senior capable? Then they're role players. They win their 50/50s often enough and support the team. They play a role, rather than run the show.

 

[LordLucifer]

That's exactly what 'role player' tends to mean. Would you be happy with Sumner staying on the list? Wright? Are either superstars of the competition?

Are either elite at their position?

Are they senior capable? Then they're role players. They win their 50/50s often enough and support the team. They play a role, rather than run the show.

What a load of hooey !!!

 

[JustaBattler]

you asre both saying the same thing - and arguing about what is the correct word useage...

 

[Azul]

the idea is to incrementally replace Mick/Rogers' list-cloggers with Bolton/SOS'.

We're turning over 10-15 players a year and only taking 6 in the national draft. Expect only 20% of recent recycles to play 50 games for the club but remember they're replacing Whiley, Graham, Tutt, Warnock etc.

And I disagree vehemently with recruiting A Silvagni but obviously they don't see a future for White or Rowe beyond this season.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Sorry, I'm sick to ******* death of reading comments like that.

The player is either capable of playing senior footy and to an acceptable level or he isn't. If he is he stays, if he isn't he goes, its a very simple equation.

There is no "role" to play either, this isn't MacBeth or Phantom of the Opera we are putting on.

Good point Sheik!

I feel SOS and BB are now trading and drafting with pure talent in mind.

 

[Soapy V]

And I disagree vehemently with recruiting A Silvagni but obviously they don't see a future for White or Rowe beyond this season.

I wasn't keen on it but I can see some logic in it. two years into the rebuild they have brought in a heap of talented kids but also mature players like silvagni kerridge smedts wright phillips & palmer. even sumner marchbank plowman etc have some experience in the afl system and could be expected to play decent football straight away. We have also kept most of our mature better players. We desperately need depth in the reserves to help with development and now its happening. We haven't had any real depth for years.

Next year we will probably turnover another 8-10 of which around 6 will be draft picks and the rest mature players. Ends up being more than 30 players in three years. That's really fast tracking a rebuild and so far it looks great.

 

[Jimmae]

you asre both saying the same thing - and arguing about what is the correct word useage...

Exactly, he's just dismissing comments out of hand, as though calling someone a role player, or elite, etc. means they are forever typecast to that.

Or he really hates the theatre, who knows. Pretty sure the players are there to be entertainers, and the whole business model falls away without that.

Good point Sheik!

I feel SOS and BB are now trading and drafting with pure talent in mind.

Nothing I said disagrees with that.

 

[HBF]

Josh Kelly is who I would chase. Genuine star with elite kicking. Look great in our midfield

So would I .
The kid is an absolute jet, and would love him at Carlton.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Role players are important. We are never going to have 44 best 22 players in our squad. We are not going to offload all fringe players and replace them with 5th rounder 18 year olds on 2 year deals.

Far better to maintain a couple of fringe guys on 1 year contracts so you have wriggle room every year.

 

[thylacine60]

Surely we're beyond wriggling, Shirley............

 

[TheKing101]

Dylan Shiel is out of contract at the end of the coming season. Was a diehard Carlton supporter growing up. Could he possibly end up at Carlton given our history with GWS and the fact a lot of his mates may already be at Carlton? If this happens where does it leave us in terms of also acquiring Fyfe.

 

[barass70]

Hopper

 

[ParapMarkets]

Hopper

Yes please!