List Mgmt. 2017 Trade/Draft/FA SuperMegaUltra Thread - Post Trade-Period Edition

[Feeling Groovy]

Probably something to do with the fact that at the moment out of that list only Shuey is a truly decent dynamic midfielder.

Whilst true, any mids we took this draft weren't going to be truly decent dynamic mids for a few years (assuming they developed right) apart from potentially Kelly, who was taken quite early and we got pipped again by Geelong. Arguably Ah Chee is equivalent to Kelly so we have that as an addition and we have several mids already on our list who have been developing for a while and will now get an opportunity. If (and its a big if at this stage) Allen is developed as a mid and makes it, the draft makes sense. We took a potential JK replacement with our first (given we don't have a first next year, which isn't a bad pick) and we still have the rookies to pick up a Schloithe or Banfield etc.

All of that said, the draft surprised me and I cursed missing Kelly but I think time will show it will be a good draft for us if we get some depth in the rookie draft.

 

[ep2018]

What a ridiculous post.

Not really.

 

[bzparkes]

Not really.

Well it is. Why do all the hard work just to **** it up once drafted? Same as those saying Rioli will put on weight again. If they were going to do it they would've already.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Gunston and Bock.

 

[LittleGreekGod]

I'm worried he wont stay sober now that he's been drafted.

Pathetic Comment!

 

[Obeanie1]

There were plenty of rumblings about Kelly going early to Geelong, I would have taken him at 21 to make sure we got him because I think he would have slotted straight into our midfield next year.

How much more effective is Kelly v Scloithe?

I actually hope we rookie either Scloithe or Griggs so then we can have a chance to compare or measure the difference.

In the end we drafted a Lark medalist and u18 All Australian FF instead of a 23 year old mid / forward in his six draft.

 

[Godfather32]

Midfielders take less time to come on than kpp. Club probably thinks they'll go for mids next year and back the ones in they already have.

They do but my issue is that we currently have enough quality KPP to compete, we don't have enough top line midfielders and the way the game is going it feels like you can win with 3 or 4 good key position players as long as you've got good midfielders and lots of pressure around them. My opinion is (and has been for some time) that we don't have enough good quality midfielders and we haven't done enough about it.

 

[Godfather32]

Does Higgins really have the body shape to make it as a midfielder? I remember reading somewhere that he would struggle in the middle at AFL level, and since we were already set on Liam Ryan, I guess that's why we passed on him.

Questionable, but I guess you can see the logic.

Time will tell I guess but I honestly think he's going to be a gun, I was stoked when I got home and started reading down the list and he was still there when it got to our first pick.

 

[Obeanie1]

Was initially a little disappointed but putting yourself in the minds of our recruiters on the night you can kind of guess how it played out

13 - We need a Kennedy replacement, talls that are B- grade or under kill their sides (think Freo), if you want a B+ KPF or higher you have to pay for him. Plenty of good mids left later. Toss up between Brander and Allen, go with Brander

21 - Holy shit Allen's still here, he's too good to pass up let's hope Kelly is there at 26 otherwise our draft balance will be thrown off

26- **** Geelong ok ok we're not missing both Kelly and Ryan and he's the kind of player Carlton and Melbourne who have picks before 32 would be after, we need an Ainsworth Constable or Worpel type and one of those will definitely still be at 32 so let's go Ryan here.

32 - All three of those mids are still here, we need an inside mid and we'll pick the one we rate most - Ainsworth (I personally might have gone Constable but it'll be interesting to compare them as they go)

38- Constables gone, we like Worpel but he's very similar to Ainsworth in how we intend to develop him, let's go for pace on the wings - Pettruccelle

68- **** yeah Brayshaw is still here too good to pass up.


So in total I think all very justifiable decisions that were perhaps thrown off a bit by the way the night panned out, I'm sad we missed out on Garlett (betting we were gambling on him making it to the rookie draft) and with Category A rookies able to play senior games now whenever is there really any point not filling our list of 40? That was the only thing I'm annoyed about in hindsight, the rest I think made sense the way we played it out.

Yep thats pretty much what I thought as well.

Allen at 21 was too good to pass on and then Kelly going at 22 put us onto plan B.

But thats just what happens in live drafts, something too good to pass up lands at your pick and you need to adjust.[/QUOTE]

 

[Godfather32]

I agree. But with what picks are we gonna do that with? We are likely to have say pick 20 and 28 next year. That’s not where you get that elite midfield talent as we saw this year it was all gone by 13. We need top 10 picks which is one of the main reasons we haven’t rebuilt our midfield.


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That's true, but there are ways of getting top 10 picks and there are ways of getting top midfielders without them. I disagree on there being no elite midfielders left though, I think Higgins is going to be a very good player even if he starts off a flank to begin with.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Gunston and Bock.

Not even this clearly hilarious comment works on me anymore

I've been pretty unconsoleable since 5pm yesterday.

 

[bzparkes]

They do but my issue is that we currently have enough quality KPP to compete, we don't have enough top line midfielders and the way the game is going it feels like you can win with 3 or 4 good key position players as long as you've got good midfielders and lots of pressure around them. My opinion is (and has been for some time) that we don't have enough good quality midfielders and we haven't done enough about it.

Whilst I agree on not having enough quality midfielders, if we drafted mids this year they wouldn't hit peak form until Kennedy and maybe NN are due to retire anyway and then we'd be another 2 years off having a full complement of kpps, not to mention all the top mids were gone anyway. Sure we could've gotten Kelly but we've already got Ah Chee who is the same age and also finished 2nd in his state's B&F. Higgins also has serious doubts over his ability to move into the midfield, Constable too slow, etc. Worpel would've been a good get but obviously the club rated Ainsworth higher.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Are we to assume that we would have taken Fritsch at 32 had he not been taken the pick before? I got the impression Melbourne taking him threw a spanner in the works.

 

[Godfather32]

How much more effective is Kelly v Scloithe?

I actually hope we rookie either Scloithe or Griggs so then we can have a chance to compare or measure the difference.

In the end we drafted a Lark medalist and u18 All Australian FF instead of a 23 year old mid / forward in his six draft.

I think the difference is huge, Scloithe strikes me as another Hutchings, someone who's an honest, hard worker and good depth but should only be in the 22 when injury hits.

 

[CM9000]

Time will tell I guess but I honestly think he's going to be a gun, I was stoked when I got home and started reading down the list and he was still there when it got to our first pick.

I was too, but there are some doubts over whether he would make it as an inside midfielder.

I guess the club was just checking down the list, saw no top 10 prospect fall through, and found Brander's potential to become an elite forward far outweighed Higgins potential to become an elite midfielder.

I reckon Higgins will be a gun pocket though, if he doesn't make it as a mid.

 

[FKASC]

Never said I wanted to see the back of Priddis personally but after watching teams spread off him running inside 50 because they know he can't kick, or having our players try to cover his man thus creating easy overlap for the opposition these last couple of years I can't say I'd want someone who's described in exactly the same manner potentially leading our midfield in the future.

Pridda was a champ no doubt but the constant knock on our midfield is how slow it's been for years with him as our no.1 midfielder. i can't say I'd want to draft a player that would put us straight back in the exact same position in a few years' time. Constable may turn into an out-and-out champ but it's not what we need right now.

They ran off Priddis this year because he is cooked and because Mitchell also was doing no chasing.

Constable can only get fitter and wouldn't need to bulk up so he can only get faster. He's also from what I can see an infinitely better kick than Priddis was and at 190 cm will be an aerial threat if he pushes forward, so opposition players won't be as keen to leave him alone like they did with Priddis.

The Priddis-Constable comparison is silly, as is the reasoning that we shouldn't replace our best inside mid because some people didn't like him.

 

[Astro7]

so we have a solid backline (with added stock)and ruck.
pre-draft everyone including blind freddy was saying West Coast needed 'pace' and mature bodies in the midfield.
We've got 2 junior mids who wont play for awhile? We've got AhChee.
The forward line seems covered for now and the future, with JK replacements and crumbers Ryan+Rioli.

So we're good to go........except for the midfield 'pace' and mature bodies factor?
Ahchee covers a bit of that, Venables should rise this year. but feel 1x temporary mature mid
wouldn't go astray? some transitional muscle till others rise to the occasion. (Schloithe?)

Regardless, when you look at our midfield list now -Shuey, Sheed, Yeo, Gaff, Hutchings,
Ah Chee, Jetta, Duggan, Redden, Venables, Partington, Mutimer, Ainsworth, Brayshaw, Petrucelle, Masten..
plus possibly 1x mature body from Wafl...it seems potentially pretty strong.
(or am I trying to make a silk purse from a sows ear, compared for example to Geelongs new mid)

 

[Suma Magic]

A factual summary of the Gold Coast trade, noting its impossible to know who we would have taken if the trade wasn't done.

Pick 50 (maybe Stoddard who went at 53)
2018 R1 (~10)

for

Allen
Ryan
Petruccelle
2018 R2 (~20)

 

[Godfather32]

Whilst I agree on not having enough quality midfielders, if we drafted mids this year they wouldn't hit peak form until Kennedy and maybe NN are due to retire anyway and then we'd be another 2 years off having a full complement of kpps, not to mention all the top mids were gone anyway. Sure we could've gotten Kelly but we've already got Ah Chee who is the same age and also finished 2nd in his state's B&F. Higgins also has serious doubts over his ability to move into the midfield, Constable too slow, etc. Worpel would've been a good get but obviously the club rated Ainsworth higher.

Would have had more chance of producing form before they retire than whoever we pick up next year though, especially Kelly.
Oh well, done is done, who knows maybe Duggan will finally put it all together and Ah Chee will be a gun. I still think we'll do ok next year and not slide, maybe finish 6th or something.

 

[bzparkes]

Would have had more chance of producing form before they retire than whoever we pick up next year though, especially Kelly.
Oh well, done is done, who knows maybe Duggan will finally put it all together and Ah Chee will be a gun. I still think we'll do ok next year and not slide, maybe finish 6th or something.

If we'd had a top 10 pick then definitely a midfielder should've been taken, pick 13 is such an awkward spot that you kind of have to take best available.

 

[Jootube]

What exactly did we get back for giving up next years first rounder? Ryan?

Next year's 1st and pick 50 (Stoddart/Miers/Hayden all around that mark) for:
21 (Allen), 26 (Ryan) and Petruccelle (38) AND Gold Coast's 2018 2nd Rnd (~20 or 21)

 

[Dark Sharks]

Seriously who do i have to **** for an inside/outside quality midfielder? Fremantle just drafted 2 FFS.

 

[FKASC]

A factual summary of the Gold Coast trade, noting its impossible to know who we would have taken if the trade wasn't done.

Pick 50 (maybe Stoddard who went at 53)
2018 R1 (~10)

for

Allen
Ryan
Petruccelle
2018 R2 (~20)

We are all quite sure that it'll be ~10 but one medium-long term injury to either NN, Shuey or McGovern and it will be much closer to ~5 or 6 in my opinion.

 

[Godfather32]

I was too, but there are some doubts over whether he would make it as an inside midfielder.

I guess the club was just checking down the list, saw no top 10 prospect fall through, and found Brander's potential to become an elite forward far outweighed Higgins potential to become an elite midfielder.

I reckon Higgins will be a gun pocket though, if he doesn't make it as a mid.

Yeh, Brander isn't a bad pick by any means, just not the way I would have gone considering our needs. I said before the draft that if all the mids are gone I'd be happy taking Brander. I just don't think all the mids were gone.

 

[bzparkes]

They ran off Priddis this year because he is cooked and because Mitchell also was doing no chasing.

Constable can only get fitter and wouldn't need to bulk up so he can only get faster. He's also from what I can see an infinitely better kick than Priddis was and at 190 cm will be an aerial threat if he pushes forward, so opposition players won't be as keen to leave him alone like they did with Priddis.

The Priddis-Constable comparison is silly, as is the reasoning that we shouldn't replace our best inside mid because some people didn't like him.

He may be an absolute gun but for someone who was touted as a pick in the teens (apparently Sydney were keen at 14) he slid pretty far. Did he tank his time-trial? Don't think that would be the reason he fell.