Mega Thread 2018 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

[Cobbler]

So we lose Neale, already have a low inside 50 game, a forward line of Tabs, Lobb, Hogan, Cox, McCarthy. Even putting
Cox down back, and marking everything in sight do win enough games to work?

Next year would be another transition year. Questions would be asked of McCarthy, Taberner and Apeness.

Our midfield would need to be re-jigged, obviously.

But we’d finally have some tall targets. I’d also swing Cox back.

You can build around Hogan.

We’ve been crying out for a key forward for years. If we’re to lose Neale, Hogan is an outstanding replacement although not like for like.

 

[free at last]

So we lose Neale, already have a low inside 50 game, a forward line of Tabs, Lobb, Hogan, Cox, McCarthy. Even putting
Cox down back, and marking everything in sight do win enough games to work?

C'mon of course all those fellas won't play at the same time.

Hogan & Tabs are our FF - CHF.

Lobb can play deep and ruck too whilst Hogan and Tabs run their opponents ragged.


McCarthy & Cox will have to apply immense pressure by playing well at Peel.

 

[Blue_Virus]

Where is Brady Grey at? I’ve heard he’s getting delisted but nothing official yet. Seemed to show a bit toward end of season.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Tayl0r re that study that Deathly quotes you talking about previous page. You're looking at Potter et al 2006 yeah?

I think the reading of the scale is wrong. The original paper they modify the functional and pain scales is Kitaoka et al 1994. The way their scales are constructed is such that a higher score = greater functionality. While Potter and colleagues don't provide the details of how they modify the scale, their language in the paper suggests that it is similar. Thus when they say:

"81% of subjects returned responses of 25 (75%) or more from a maximum score of 30. No subject reported a score of less than 15 (50%), indicating significant functional impairment."

It reads to me that 81% of subjects are 25/30 function and no subjects are impaired to the point that they reach their threshold for 'significant functional impairment' (<15). Same for the pain scores.

It seems this would gel a lot better with the other literature on navicular stress fracture treatment, which suggests the majority of elite/recreational athletes return to sport at rates of ~80%.

The wording is extremely unclear (my pet ****ing hate in scientific papers) but i'm fairly confident that it is the reverse of what you're suggesting. Obviously still a pretty nasty injury if you have ~20% not returning to sports or similar numbers having persistent minor impairment at the 5-10 year mark, combined with a fairly lengthy return to play period, but not a complete disaster as long as due diligence is followed.

**** I should get back to actual work.

 

[Rion]

I think pick 22 or our 2018 2nd Rounder disappears if we do that trade with Port. That or it’s a three way trade and we never see the second rounder in the first place.

I’m quite ok with getting either Lobb or Hogan. I don’t think we need both long term but it’d be handy. The forward line would still stink because our medium/small forwards wouldn’t have improved whatsoever.

Pretty much. Everyone brings up WC as an example of talls not being dead but they've also got one of the best sets of smalls in the league to make it all work.

 

[Taylor]

Tayl0r re that study that Deathly quotes you talking about previous page. You're looking at Potter et al 2006 yeah?

I think the reading of the scale is wrong. The original paper they modify the functional and pain scales is Kitaoka et al 1994. The way their scales are constructed is such that a higher score = greater functionality. While Potter and colleagues don't provide the details of how they modify the scale, their language in the paper suggests that it is similar. Thus when they say:

"81% of subjects returned responses of 25 (75%) or more from a maximum score of 30. No subject reported a score of less than 15 (50%), indicating significant functional impairment."

It reads to me that 81% of subjects are 25/30 function and no subjects are impaired to the point that they reach their threshold for 'significant functional impairment' (<15). Same for the pain scores.

It seems this would gel a lot better with the other literature on navicular stress fracture treatment, which suggests the majority of elite/recreational athletes return to sport at rates of ~80%.

The wording is extremely unclear (my pet ******* hate in scientific papers) but i'm fairly confident that it is the reverse of what you're suggesting. Obviously still a pretty nasty injury if you have ~20% not returning to sports or similar numbers having persistent minor impairment at the 5-10 year mark, combined with a fairly lengthy return to play period, but not a complete disaster as long as due diligence is followed.

**** I should get back to actual work.

I believe it was Khan, out of Melbourne.

As I mentioned in the original post on it, with only 30 people studied it doesn't represent a large enough sample to draw definitive conclusions from.

The conclusion I made was that the athlete would suffer functional impairment and pain after injury treatment regardless of surgical or conventional.

It might be like Nick Reiwoldt's knee constantly needing to be drained, causing pain and having his season go to trash if he aggravated the condition.

15km a week of AFL will find out his weakness very quickly.

 

[Cobbler]

Where is Brady Grey at? I’ve heard he’s getting delisted but nothing official yet. Seemed to show a bit toward end of season.

By far my favourite football player... if I didn’t have to worry about him kicking, marking or hand balling.

I actually think he’d go well in a top tier side as that hard nuy type. In a poor side his flaws rub out any good he does. At Carlton? No good for you guys.

 

[Cobbler]

22 for Lobb is in the right ball park... or our 2019 2nd round pick... that’s probably his value

They could have any of Jones, Apeness, Meek as back up thrown in on top of pick 22.

 

[Righteo]

Where is Brady Grey at? I’ve heard he’s getting delisted but nothing official yet. Seemed to show a bit toward end of season.

Think poor man's Mitch Robinson. Could offer some protection for younger players but not going to be someone who leads you out of the doldrums.

 

[Demons09]

The Hogan talk seems to be getting some serious momentum, may of been in the planning for a while didn’t some clubs get together mid season to discuss some possible trades.

 

[Carson Dial]

Tayl0r re that study that Deathly quotes you talking about previous page. You're looking at Potter et al 2006 yeah?

I think the reading of the scale is wrong. The original paper they modify the functional and pain scales is Kitaoka et al 1994. The way their scales are constructed is such that a higher score = greater functionality. While Potter and colleagues don't provide the details of how they modify the scale, their language in the paper suggests that it is similar. Thus when they say:

"81% of subjects returned responses of 25 (75%) or more from a maximum score of 30. No subject reported a score of less than 15 (50%), indicating significant functional impairment."

It reads to me that 81% of subjects are 25/30 function and no subjects are impaired to the point that they reach their threshold for 'significant functional impairment' (<15). Same for the pain scores.

It seems this would gel a lot better with the other literature on navicular stress fracture treatment, which suggests the majority of elite/recreational athletes return to sport at rates of ~80%.

The wording is extremely unclear (my pet ******* hate in scientific papers) but i'm fairly confident that it is the reverse of what you're suggesting. Obviously still a pretty nasty injury if you have ~20% not returning to sports or similar numbers having persistent minor impairment at the 5-10 year mark, combined with a fairly lengthy return to play period, but not a complete disaster as long as due diligence is followed.

**** I should get back to actual work.

Keep doing what you’re doing, plenty of time to do actual work later...this is important

 

[Blue_Virus]

Think poor man's Mitch Robinson. Could offer some protection for younger players but not going to be someone who leads you out of the doldrums.

Just looking at his age, he just sneaks in the 23-27yro’s we’re after. Seems to not had a good run with injuries either. Change of scenery on HFF at different club perhaps?
I’ll take your assessment of him though and put a line through him.

 

[Simmofreo]

I'd rather get Lobb than Hogan.

WTF

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[Simmofreo]

Am I the only one who hopes the Eagles sign Lobb ??

Maybe

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[Kepfan]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...e/news-story/50aa9995716b2deb3cc588af146fcce2
Not sure if this has been posted here yet. Seems complicated to me, when was the last time a three way trade was made?

 

[Taylor]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...e/news-story/50aa9995716b2deb3cc588af146fcce2
Not sure if this has been posted here yet. Seems complicated to me, when was the last time a three way trade was made?

2016 trade period had a four club trade.
Collingwood, Melbourne, Port, Adelaide

Moving Seedsman, Howe, Toumpas, Kenmedy

 

[Simmofreo]

Next year would be another transition year. Questions would be asked of McCarthy, Taberner and Apeness.

Our midfield would need to be re-jigged, obviously.

But we’d finally have some tall targets. I’d also swing Cox back.

You can build around Hogan.

We’ve been crying out for a key forward for years. If we’re to lose Neale, Hogan is an outstanding replacement although not like for like.

I agree

This is the thing. If you look at Freo inside 50s, we got it in enough but no one to mark it.

I don't think our midfield is that bad, and the kids will get better. WE NEED BLOODY CLUNKERS !!!!!!!!!!!

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[Taylor]

Inside fifties aren't equal.

Have a think about how long a kick is in the air for, it takes most players three seconds to cover 20m.

Our delivery was the problem.

If it was a marking issue a club like Geelong would dominate.

 

[Tbonefreo]

We paid two first round picks for him, he is a generational player that is only going to go better and he is at a team that is on the right side of the premiership clock/ window. We score (remember what it is like to kick more than a 100pts in a game?) freely with him in the side, it will be a loss for him to leave and I for one think we have only seen 60% of his potential. A 1st round pick is not going to cut it, one low and one late 1st round might, but with the number of players we have delisted, you might be asking someone to pack their bags. I'd take the little Brayshaw but I guess he is Ross's pet.

Also think about this, except for a sandgroper, you are hardly a destination club, who really wants to play Lyon style, we can hold you over a barrel re Jessie because he is one of the few mega talents that would consider playing at such a happy club. You are basically a WA version of North.

If you were to argue that we (Melb) owe you for taking that spud (Sylvia) I'd agree, but then I'd remind you about Farmer who was a bitter loss.

Oh man.

 

[Freoforever86]

Having a 14 gamer as our main i50 target for much of the year didn’t help.

If you look at the eagles attack and apply it to potentially what we could find ourselves with.

Vardy - Lobb
Kennedy - Taberner
Darling - Hogan
LeCras - Cox
Cripps - McCarthy (needs more fitness)
Ryan - Walters
Rioli - Swita (or hopefully Ian Hill)

Not suggesting all this will happen, but that’s a fairly young and exciting forward line.

Be fun to see what happens (half expecting Hogan to come out and say it’s all crap tomorrow)

 

[wild side]

We paid two first round picks for him, he is a generational player that is only going to go better and he is at a team that is on the right side of the premiership clock/ window. We score (remember what it is like to kick more than a 100pts in a game?) freely with him in the side, it will be a loss for him to leave and I for one think we have only seen 60% of his potential. A 1st round pick is not going to cut it, one low and one late 1st round might, but with the number of players we have delisted, you might be asking someone to pack their bags. I'd take the little Brayshaw but I guess he is Ross's pet.

Also think about this, except for a sandgroper, you are hardly a destination club, who really wants to play Lyon style, we can hold you over a barrel re Jessie because he is one of the few mega talents that would consider playing at such a happy club. You are basically a WA version of North.

If you were to argue that we (Melb) owe you for taking that spud (Sylvia) I'd agree, but then I'd remind you about Farmer who was a bitter loss.

You haven't played in a GF for 18 years, this was your first finals campaign in 12 years.
You can bag Lyon, but he gets his teams to finals. He has and probably will again.
Its 55 years since you won a flag!! That's the longest current drought in afl/vfl history

 

[Freoforever86]

You haven't played in a GF for 18 years, this was your first finals campaign in 12 years.
You can bag Lyon, but he gets his teams to finals. He has and probably will again.
Its 55 years since you won a flag!! That's the longest current drought in afl/vfl history

I always cringe when we talk about flags to teams

 

[wild side]

I always cringe when we talk about flags to teams

It gets thrown at us every day, so I'm throwing it back!

 

[Cobbler]

Having a 14 gamer as our main i50 target for much of the year didn’t help.

If you look at the eagles attack and apply it to potentially what we could find ourselves with.

Vardy - Lobb
Kennedy - Taberner
Darling - Hogan
LeCras - Cox
Cripps - McCarthy (needs more fitness)
Ryan - Walters
Rioli - Swita (or hopefully Ian Hill)

Not suggesting all this will happen, but that’s a fairly young and exciting forward line.

Be fun to see what happens (half expecting Hogan to come out and say it’s all crap tomorrow)

Terrible match ups.

Kennedy - Hogan both number 1
Darling & Lecras - Taberner & McCarthy
Cripps - Walters
Ryan - Lobb we play taller
Rioli - Switkowski

Cox moves back to defense or takes McCarthy’s spot.

We need an Ian Hill or medium forward.

 

[Freoforever86]

Terrible match ups.

Kennedy - Hogan both number 1
Darling & Lecras - Taberner & McCarthy
Cripps - Walters
Ryan - Lobb we play taller
Rioli - Switkowski

Cox moves back to defense or takes McCarthy’s spot.

We need an Ian Hill or medium forward.

Not really trying to go a like for like match up, just saying in terms of a tall to small set up