Opinion 2018 Non-Crows Discussion - Part 3: Everybody Hurts by R.E.M is our new club theme song

[Iron]

You work in a pokie venue don't you?

They are aimed at the poor and the aged

There was a story yesterday of venues keeping tabs on patrons and even thier football teams to get them spending more

Their target market is anyone. Anyone can become addicted.

The poor and the aged just have the time to sit there all day.

 

[Iron]

We have trained medical proffesionals paid to design machines to target people on the borderline of menatl illness.

These guys are psychologists. Millions is spent every year to develop machines to create addiction in vunrable people

Alot of elderly women deserted by thier families and widowed sit in front of these machines day in day out blowing thier money. Many sporting clubs have had committee members steal so to fund their addiction

Pokie operators and the psychologists they hire, know this and profit from this

Some one once said you judge a society based on how it treats the most vulnerable.

It's completely reprehensible medical proffesionals trained to deal with mental illness use thier access to science to make profits and increase suffering

They don't get deregistered either.

What rubbish.

Psychologically speaking, seeing as you seem to know, what makes colourful lights more appealing to an 80 year old than a 30 something year old with a full time job?

Who are these psychologists and what is their area of expertise? Or did you make that up as well?

 

[Geoffa32]

I am stuck between allowing people to use pokies from a free will perspective, but on the other hand also acknowledge they are *designed* to be addictive

I am against a nanny state, but i also want to help save people from themselves?

Hmmm.

If i had to pick a side, I'd ban them...

at least i know the AFC doesn't profit from them

I am all for voluntarily taxation.

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[treeman]

Won't be surprised at all if this happens

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I am all for voluntarily taxation.

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Even if it completely ruins people's lives?

 

[chazwazza]

As long as they pony up some draft picks to Hawthorn, then fair enough

Otherwise Hawks would be in their right to not allow it?

I’ll be waiting for the Vic media to start the Gary Ablett Jnr narrative that Hawks should just let him go to Brisbane out of compassion, like GC was pressured to do.

 

[Geoffa32]

Even if it completely ruins people's lives?

Fast Food can completely ruin your life.
As can drinking and smoking.


There are plenty of things that can ruin your life. You cant ban everything.






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[Iron]

Even if it completely ruins people's lives?

Gambling is an ugly product but it has been so for thousands of years. The problem is the peripherals like advertising (and witch doctors if you believe LG).

There's nothing wrong with the product though, and it will always exist in some form. I'm mostly ok with it if people are choosing to use them, free of coercion.

 

[Large 1]

I am all for voluntarily taxation.

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As I say. Gambling is just a tax on those who are bad a math.

 

[StonesThrow]

As I say. Gambling is just a tax on those who are bad a math.

Unfortunately that tax doesn't go to the government.

 

[feenix67]

As I say. Gambling is just a tax on those who are bad a math.

That's a pretty simplistic view tbh. Gambling vehicles that are cynically designed to induce addiction are far more insidious and damaging than those that are more passive. Pokie betting formed half of total gambling expenditure last year ($12B) compared to racing ($3B) and sports ($0.9B). If ever you wanted to see the effect of low unit, high frequency gambling vehicles, the revenue numbers speak for themselves.

 

[footy4ever]

I recently took up smoking, love it.

ha ha ha

wait, serious?

 

[Deaneus!]

ha ha ha

wait, serious?

Yup.

I don't think it will take, it's very situational, but i'm finding it amusing at least.

 

[footy4ever]

Yup.

I don't think it will take, it's very situational, but i'm finding it amusing at least.

That's sort of how I started. Give it away now man, while you can. Take it up when it doesn't matter any more ha ha ha ha.

You don't want your doc pointing at an X-ray saying "give up smoking NOW, or you will DIE from this" It's kinda easy to give up after that, but you don't ever want it to get to that stage. OK lecture over, carry on.

Ahhhhhh life and death. Its so trivial, not like footy.

 

[Hammond]

You work in a pokie venue don't you?

They are aimed at the poor and the aged

There was a story yesterday of venues keeping tabs on patrons and even thier football teams to get them spending more

Groan. More 9 network quality analysis

 

[Geoffa32]

That's a pretty simplistic view tbh. Gambling vehicles that are cynically designed to induce addiction are far more insidious and damaging than those that are more passive. Pokie betting formed half of total gambling expenditure last year ($12B) compared to racing ($3B) and sports ($0.9B). If ever you wanted to see the effect of low unit, high frequency gambling vehicles, the revenue numbers speak for themselves.

That is a fair amount of taxation.
I want to say thanks to those who use the pokies to keep my income tax lower.

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[Hammond]

What rubbish.

Psychologically speaking, seeing as you seem to know, what makes colourful lights more appealing to an 80 year old than a 30 something year old with a full time job?

Who are these psychologists and what is their area of expertise? Or did you make that up as well?

Yup

 

[Apsaalooke]

Fast Food can completely ruin your life.
As can drinking and smoking.


There are plenty of things that can ruin your life. You cant ban everything.






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By that that logic we should unban heroin, cocaine and ice. We can and do ban some things, it just depends where you draw the line.
If tobacco was first introduced today there's no way that it would be allowed with what we know about it. It's only legal because of previous ignorance of how lethal it is.

 

[Geoffa32]

What rubbish.

Psychologically speaking, seeing as you seem to know, what makes colourful lights more appealing to an 80 year old than a 30 something year old with a full time job?

Who are these psychologists and what is their area of expertise? Or did you make that up as well?

My mother in law had a pokie addiction.

We realised it was the game aspect of the pokies rather than the actual winning and losing of money.


My wife got out her old SNES with Dr Mario and her mum loved it. We then got her other games and a tablet. She still played the pokies, but only as a social user ie after a dinner with us or friends she never went out on her own to play pokies.

For many it is no different to many others who sit on their phone screens mindlessly doing nothing playing stupid games. A bit like this place. Bigfooty can be an addiction.

The difference is for a lot of the older users of pokies they have no knowledge of these other form of games/entertainment so go to the pokies as it is accessible.

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[Large 1]

That's a pretty simplistic view tbh. Gambling vehicles that are cynically designed to induce addiction are far more insidious and damaging than those that are more passive. Pokie betting formed half of total gambling expenditure last year ($12B) compared to racing ($3B) and sports ($0.9B). If ever you wanted to see the effect of low unit, high frequency gambling vehicles, the revenue numbers speak for themselves.

I totally agree that my throw away comment was dismissive of the problem that gambling presents to individuals, especially with regard to pokies.

But I think that we culturally accept gambling and have done so for a long time. In much the same way we accept drinking and had accepted smoking.

If, however, we present gambling as only something people do when that are not smart enough to know the odds are stacked against them, then we start teaching kids about the reality of betting.

Smoking has been stigmatised and the rate of teenagers taking it up has dropped, as it is not perceived as cool. If people perceive gambling in a similar way, then this will go a long way to stopping people from participating and hence they won’t be in the position to become addicted.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Keep pokies. Free will and all that. But ban chairs and stools from pokie rooms

 

[Scorpus]

Keep pokies. Free will and all that. But ban chairs and stools from pokie rooms

Replace the chairs and stools with treadmills

 

[Geoffa32]

Keep pokies. Free will and all that. But ban chairs and stools from pokie rooms

I like this idea.

Chris Rock once said that bullets should cost $5k and that would help prevent gun violence.

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[Geoffa32]

Replace the chairs and stools with treadmills

That generate the electricity to run the poker machine.

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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

That generate the electricity to run the poker machine.

Speaking of this... I had the idea that the exercise bikes at health clubs should be used to generate electricity