Not at all but the amount of negativity towards Keays is staggering. Did he shoot Bambi?
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As far as I can tell it's only two or three posters.
I'm finding the backlash to it a bit over the top, to be honest. Multiple pages now.
I think we need a backlash against the backlash. Proportionately I suppose it would require several hundred posts over a number of months.
Apparently 30 days till round 1. I think the forward line will be determined in the next 2 jlt matches. Maybe we will go for a smaller group to add more defensive pressure, and allow more rotations through the midfield?
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You do realise Keays went higher in the draft and Black was a bit of a speculative pick. The point being nobody knows how kids will develop, so to write them off at this point is ridiculous.
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Why people get their back up so much about some posters saying they don't believe he has the tools to be a good player is odd. In most players they have something that is a stand out quality that make you think that gives them a chance to make it. I don't see that in Ben.
Posters have been doing to to Harwood, Paps, Bewick, Claye, Basti, Bell, Nick Robbo, Dawson, Cutler, Dizzy and others for years but for some reason now it's Ben it's unacceptable?
Would suggest it makes every poster on here a hypocrite at one stage or another.
No one is judging him as a person it's purely a football thing. Don't get the super defensive mind set.
Posters have been doing to to Harwood, Paps, Bewick, Claye, Basti, Bell, Nick Robbo, Dawson, Cutler, Dizzy and others for years but for some reason now it's Ben it's unacceptable?
Would suggest it makes every poster on here a hypocrite at one stage or another.
No one is judging him as a person it's purely a football thing. Don't get the super defensive mind set.
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I think we all need the season to roll around!
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When does the footy start?
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I think part of it is it you chat to anyone who's met him, even briefly, they'll all tell you he's probably one of the best blokes to ever put on a lions jumper. Super friendly, great with the fans, academy kid who was a paid up member at the Gabba until he started playing.
It's hard to be harsh on him from that perspective.
I guess the difference is the argument you make (not 'you' specifically, anyone). Whilst Keays hasn't set the world on fire, he actually hasn't been 'bad'. Those others you mention, have all at some time actually performed rather poorly. Some have fixed their issues, others couldn't. Not sure all of those you mentioned have come under the same sort of fire, as far as suggestions they won't make it either. Robbo for example had some chinks in his armour that were worthy of criticism, and had to be fixed for him to continue at the Lions, and has gone a long way to doing that. I don't recall any suggestion that he wouldn't be good enough.
I don't think anyone here would have an issue with posters noting Ben's weaknesses, but some have gone the extra step to conclude they are fatal flaws.
Also worth remembering that he's a dual U18 all Australian who, while patchy at senior level, has gone pretty well in the NEAFL (30 disposals and 2 goals to be awarded best afield in the GF against Sydney, for example). Exposed form matters more than your resume and he's not above concern or some criticism at senior level. It's also totally plausible that he may still build the confidence to do at senior level what he's been able to do at every other level.
Maybe he won't ever quite translate it to senior form, but it seems early to make that call.
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Yeah if he ended up in the NEAFL permenantly he'd dominate that for years. He's absolutely above that level at the very least at a very young age.
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I wish all our players had those attributes, it's fantastic, would never be harsh on him for that and don't think anyone could be.
I hope he turns out to be the best player of all time just don't think he has enough of anything.
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He has had games where instead of being bad he has barely contributed. Robbo copped alot of stick early but even then you could tell he was hard, didn't take a backwards step and had good endurance. I watch Ben and all I can come up with is he tackles well? Maybe?
To me it's okay to be critical of players, they would expect that and it's part of the enormous pay check. It's not a hatred thing it's a I want the lions to be the best,one day, thing.
At the end of the day.....its night!
I gave up on Mayes by the end of 2016 and thought he turned it right around last year. Still a bit more time needed before we call time on Keays.
Some of the contested work in the last half dozen pages was far better than XFL, bigfooty is in mid season form early!!
Can't wait for the season to start!!!!
Can't wait for the season to start!!!!
It's great to finally see that we are getting some depth on our list. Looks like there will be no easy games gifted to anyone this year. I'm finding it really difficult to pick my round one team.
I agree with giving blokes a fair go to prove themselves, but a couple of poor games in the seniors and there will be a pack of hungry wolves in the NEAFL ready to take their spot. I really think that this will help to take some of our mid-tier players to (hopefully) another level.
Very exciting off-season, but can't wait for the real stuff to start. Will be there with bells on in round 1 with the number 13 on my back. Think we can surprise a few and give the saints a real run for their money!
I agree with giving blokes a fair go to prove themselves, but a couple of poor games in the seniors and there will be a pack of hungry wolves in the NEAFL ready to take their spot. I really think that this will help to take some of our mid-tier players to (hopefully) another level.
Very exciting off-season, but can't wait for the real stuff to start. Will be there with bells on in round 1 with the number 13 on my back. Think we can surprise a few and give the saints a real run for their money!
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On Bell- I've rewatched the aflx games specifically to watch bell. To my mind, when the play is easily read he is great but when it's tight or what happens next isn't clear he hesitates for a fraction of a second and can get lost. Like he has a very slight reaction delay.
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He is an enigma who may end up being a better player in a winning team. Maybe he can make it as a smaller full forward, wouldn't throw the towel on him just yet.
With all your negativity towards Keays I've actually yet to see you say anything even close to having susbstance. At least Jackess makes valid arguments. You are just stupid
Im certainly in the middle too. Love him to bits and definitely the academy/Lions supporter thing does hit closer to home with most supporters, including myself. But whilst we know he can play I think his lack of confidence at the moment and tendency to make errors that really stand out has him a little deserving of some of the ire he's drawn, so I can understand some of the opinion. But to write him off and automatically assume an 18 year old Zac Bailey will surpass him is ludicrous.
Assume this is likely to be cancelled (bringing joy to the selfish heart of Tassie) if this rain keeps up. Burpengary drains pretty well, but will they want the Lions tearing up the ground, prior to 2 consecutive main games in the coming weekends? Will Fagan want the boys playing wet, slipperry footy at this stage of the year, just for a hitout?
Keays had great stats in neafl last year playing mid. Struggled at senior level in that defensive fwd position but does look good scrapping for the ball on the ground and his defence can be good. Rockliff leaving and with matho expected to step up to fill his role, more opportunity should come for ben to spend more time in the midfield. His prefered and better position. Comparing and rating his neafl v afl form, then judging his potential is unfair. Pretty sure if given a good run playing inside mid in the seniors it will give us more of an idea of his ability and value to the club.
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