Autopsy 2018 Rd 17 Kreuzer out early, another terrible loss

[HBF]

Yeh that 2-year extension for Polson was bizarre. Not a great VFL player and looks beyond lost at AFL level.

Doesn’t have a great football brain, low accumulator, not quick, fumbly... also very undersized at the moment. Not enough X-factor to play forward, but doesn’t win enough ball to develop into a midfielder.

Not for me

I didn't get the two year extension either, but I think he's worth persisting with. One day it might just click for him

 

[First Poster]

Went down very well Eskie - thanks for asking!

I had some very nice snapper the other day too. My favourite fish!

 

[carlton2dabone]

I'm pretty relaxed about the situation because I probably have a memory regarding how awful other Clubs looked for long periods of time when they went through a rebuild process. I used to go to Hawthorn games out of sympathy for a neighbour who was the football manager there in the dark days when they were flogged by everyone every week - yeah I remember.

I was at my most feral on this Board in early days looking at ridiculous draft choices year after year....when the knives came out for Ratten and the Club decided to bring in that RAT Malthouse- at that point I knew that Carlton was cooked for 10 years - 2-3 to get rid of him and 4-5 to make up for his cost.
Fortunately I think it will only be 7 now ( which means Carlton will be good side by 2020) because the club lucked in big time with Cripps and Charlie. In a couple of years when the kid has actually grown enough size, Weitering's performances will make the shameful Weitering thread nice reading - I'll be bouncing it regularly and probably cop a red card for doing so.

I was pleased to see Garlett actually go harder in the second half than the first - and I think someone in this thread has pointed out he is playing with a bung shoulder that will require surgery. There a re a few banged up players out there doing their best. No football side is designed not to have 25-30 players developed enough to play 4 quarter AFL football. Carlton doesn't have 18.

Dow and Fisher will be genuine guns and if Harry's body allows him to be - he will be a serious weapon up front and as a relief ruck - we wont see their best for another couple of years - same for Charlie - he will be at his best when the midfielders are more mature and better developed and can find him easier.

No guarantees that all the kids will deliver on their draft pick cost- though - SPS has floundered this year and looks lost compared to Fisher for example - he looks to be playing with little confidence and a lot of self preservation.

I want all the players at Carlton to remember these floggings - it is what made Hawthorn and Geelong such ferocious competitive forces- years of floggings as they built a core and expanded it to get to genuine flag status.

I feel sorry for entitled personality types who post in forums - just because Carlton has been shyte for two decades doesn't mean it is Carlton's 'turn' not to be. The Club basically got serious about 3 years ago and decided to join the 21st century. That is a lot of competitive advantage given away over two decades to opposition.

You have to give TAC players time to develop AFL bodies and mongrel and you have to understand that coaching can only achieve so much with a decimated list further burdened by awful injury.

This is the same story repeated by realists every week - who entitled posters refer to as head in the sand types. Reality is that the teams being fielded by Carlton are not 4 quarter competitive right now - this will change - and it isn't the coach's fault or the list manager's fault - you have to do the time.

Celebrate the positives fellas - because the negatives aren't going to magically disappear - the 66 game rebuild was always going to be the start of the real journey - and we haven't finished the 66 games or three draft periods yet.

I’m one that refers to you ‘realists’ as head in the sand types simply because nothing you can say excuses how so many of our players are unable to execute a simple kick or handball on a consistent basis.

Fielding a competitive enough team to win consistently is one thing and even I don’t expect to be doing that yet, but fielding a team in the AFL that can at least do the basics of the game like kick and handball to targets, something that we all did growing up shouldn’t be a hard thing to do.

How on earth a AFL listed player can miss a no pressure 15m kick to a team mate in space is beyond laughable.
How on earth an AFL listed player ends up handballing to the feet of his team mate when he is only 3 metres away is even more laughable.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I didn't get the two year extension either, but I think he's worth persisting with. One day it might just click for him

needs more pace
more footy nouse
more height

 

[ESKIE]

I’m one that refers to you ‘realists’ as head in the sand types simply because nothing you can say excuses how so many of our players are unable to execute a simple kick or handball on a consistent basis.

Fielding a competitive enough team to win consistently is one thing and even I don’t expect to be doing that yet, but fielding a team in the AFL that can at least do the basics of the game like kick and handball to targets, something that we all did growing up shouldn’t be a hard thing to do.

How on earth a AFL listed player can miss a no pressure 15m kick to a team mate in space is beyond laughable.
How on earth an AFL listed player ends up handballing to the feet of his team mate when he is only 3 metres away is even more laughable.

Pressure, confidence I suppose, for the young guys it will take time

We do have some average senior players on our list but they will be moved on due course

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

Afl have got something right
1st down to 2nd last competitive
Last just crap

For the moment....

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

So we have been critical of the club all year and you somehow believe that we are the delusional ones?

Hahah you're making yourself look really silly mate. You already do a great job of that but choosing to pick an argument with me and the rational posters on this board after what we are witnessing is truly a new level of stupidity, even for you.

Do tell, how in any way, have us objective posters been proven incorrect this year? I'll wait.

How is consistently negative an objective stance?

Seems to me those that can find positives and negatives in fairly equal measure are objective.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I’m one that refers to you ‘realists’ as head in the sand types simply because nothing you can say excuses how so many of our players are unable to execute a simple kick or handball on a consistent basis.

Fielding a competitive enough team to win consistently is one thing and even I don’t expect to be doing that yet, but fielding a team in the AFL that can at least do the basics of the game like kick and handball to targets, something that we all did growing up shouldn’t be a hard thing to do.

How on earth a AFL listed player can miss a no pressure 15m kick to a team mate in space is beyond laughable.
How on earth an AFL listed player ends up handballing to the feet of his team mate when he is only 3 metres away is even more laughable.

This is why I think there's a real issue with player development.

These kids could do these things prior to being drafted. AFL level is understandable, more pressure on ball carriers, harder to find targets, structures to deal with etc.

But like you said, a 15M pass under no pressure?

Kick ins where the foot is going on the line of the goal square? By 'experienced' players no less.

We have the ball in the center of the ground from a free kick, we make a serious of hand passes to direct it straight toward the boundary line how the **** are you meant to give your forwards a chance like that?

 

[Malifice]

I don't see 5 1st/2nd year players in our midfield that you listed their.

Dow, Fisher, SPS, Polson.

Kennedy is in his third year, but only 28 games in.

 

[Snoozer]

This is why I think there's a real issue with player development.

These kids could do these things prior to being drafted. AFL level is understandable, more pressure on ball carriers, harder to find targets, structures to deal with etc.

But like you said, a 15M pass under no pressure?

Kick ins where the foot is going on the line of the goal square? By 'experienced' players no less.

We have the ball in the center of the ground from a free kick, we make a serious of hand passes to direct it straight toward the boundary line how the **** are you meant to give your forwards a chance like that?

How bad was that sideways passage out of the middle?! Get on your bike and move it forward FFS!

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[carlton2dabone]

This is why I think there's a real issue with player development.

These kids could do these things prior to being drafted. AFL level is understandable, more pressure on ball carriers, harder to find targets, structures to deal with etc.

But like you said, a 15M pass under no pressure?

Kick ins where the foot is going on the line of the goal square? By 'experienced' players no less.

We have the ball in the center of the ground from a free kick, we make a serious of hand passes to direct it straight toward the boundary line how the **** are you meant to give your forwards a chance like that?

Exactly!

And I could handle it if it was just a one or two game anomaly, but for as long as I can remember Carlton has always fielded a side that has players that do it every week.

 

[Johnno 10]

While this was another disappointing performance, the glimmers of hope offered by the signs showed by Dow, Fisher Obrien show that a quality midfield is there for the future if they can continue to grow and develop. Harry showed some good signs despite playing out of position.
The mistakes made by senior players with bad turnovers by foot however cost us dearly early on, their first 6 goals they scored came directly from turnovers and 11 for the match. Too many players undoing their good efforts with poor disposal.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

How is consistently negative an objective stance?

Seems to me those that can find positives and negatives in fairly equal measure are objective.

I've been mostly positive. But there comes a time when we have to face the truth and call a spade a spade, no matter if we like hearing it or not.

We lost Kreuzer early last night.

Same thing pretty much happened against Collingwood.

The difference in intensity was night and day. This is why last night's game has infuriated people. When the team is running out there with no intensity especially after last week's debacle, then supporters are going to generally be feeling negative.

And considering these types of performances have now occurred for more than 33% of the season, consistently negative is what you'll get from some people. The players need to give a reason to warrant positive responses. Take last year, we lost a lot of games but the general vibe was positive because most of our matches were close and the team dished up performances that we could take positives from. Lots of rising star noms too.

Not expecting us to be world beaters, or even expecting to win, but expecting the boys to show something after last week and after the captain publicly called for it.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I've been mostly positive. But there comes a time when we have to face the truth and call a spade a spade, no matter if we like hearing it or not.

We lost Kreuzer early last night.

Same thing pretty much happened against Collingwood.

The difference in intensity was night and day. This is why last night's game has infuriated people. When the team is running out there with no intensity especially after last week's debacle, then supporters are going to generally be feeling negative.

And considering these types of performances have now occurred for more than 33% of the season, consistently negative is what you'll get from some people. The players need to give a reason to warrant positive responses. Take last year, we lost a lot of games but the general vibe was positive because most of our matches were close and the team dished up performances that we could take positives from. Lots of rising star noms too.

Not expecting us to be world beaters, or even expecting to win, but expecting the boys to show something after last week and after the captain publicly called for it.

I don't begrudge anybody being upset about last night, last week or the season at large. You can still find positives and negatives about where we are heading, if not how to get there.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Not gonna lie. Kinda want someone fired. Not even sure who.

Coffees at the club lacking taste recently...

 

[thylacine60]

I don't begrudge anybody being upset about last night, last week or the season at large. You can still find positives and negatives about where we are heading, if not how to get there.

I'm the best aren't I, ODN?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm the best aren't I, ODN?

At what?

 

[Iamcarlton]

I've been mostly positive. But there comes a time when we have to face the truth and call a spade a spade, no matter if we like hearing it or not.

We lost Kreuzer early last night.

Same thing pretty much happened against Collingwood.

The difference in intensity was night and day. This is why last night's game has infuriated people. When the team is running out there with no intensity especially after last week's debacle, then supporters are going to generally be feeling negative.

And considering these types of performances have now occurred for more than 33% of the season, consistently negative is what you'll get from some people. The players need to give a reason to warrant positive responses. Take last year, we lost a lot of games but the general vibe was positive because most of our matches were close and the team dished up performances that we could take positives from. Lots of rising star noms too.

Not expecting us to be world beaters, or even expecting to win, but expecting the boys to show something after last week and after the captain publicly called for it.

I think we were all hoping for a response after last week i certainly was but Id suggest if we as followers of the CFC cant see that our players are physically cooked then as a supporter group id say we arent very smart .
Its obvious with a large injury toll and a lot of younger players in a demanding sport such a AFL that the team was and is hitting the wall .
Its happens all the time each and every year to 1 or more sides towards the end of the season .
Maybe an 8 or 9 day break if we have one coming up and some fit reinforcements could get a response that is favourable .
But i wouldnt bet on it this side is cooked and im not surprised .

 

[Navara79]

I'm the best aren't I, ODN?

This place....

 

[SBYM]

IF I ONLY POST MY OPTIMISTIC THOUGHTS IN ALL CAPS DOES THAT COVER BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT?!?!?!?!?

 

[ShanDog]

I didn't get the two year extension either, but I think he's worth persisting with. One day it might just click for him

Not like the list spots are drying up...

 

[George]

Where did you come from.

Just wanted to be in the presence of the Goddess

 

[SafeAsMilk]

Is it just me or does it look like our players have put on a bit of size recently?

If we're spending more time in the gym It might go some way to explaining the inability to run out games and even the elevated heart rates.


Or maybe it's just the grey jumper.

 

[thylacine60]

IF I ONLY POST MY OPTIMISTIC THOUGHTS IN ALL CAPS DOES THAT COVER BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT?!?!?!?!?

TAKE A BREAK, FFS!

 

[Aphrodite]

IF I ONLY POST MY OPTIMISTIC THOUGHTS IN ALL CAPS DOES THAT COVER BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT?!?!?!?!?

TAKE A BREAK, FFS!

STOP YELLING FFS!