List Mgmt. 2018 St Kilda Trade Thread Part 2

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Enclosed_Animal said:
Ripping call! Everything I have heard is his potential is off the charts. Certainly worth the free hit based on x factor alone.

Answerth and Sambono work for you as our state-league pics?
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Prefer Gibbons in the VFL

Jack Rolls as alternative

Would have Sambono for sure .. freak goal kicker fast ,left footer
 
StCicatriz said:
mate ive watched him all year, he's improved. dockers supporters think all kinds of things, they're the last people you should listen too
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Haha, you're so full of shit, still pretending to know things about the WA clubs and players. If you know so much then why don't you enlighten me on his TOG at Subiaco and his current training load at WAFL level compared to when he was in the AFL system. He's a 28 year old athlete that's only dominating because he's playing in one of the most stacked WAFL sides ever. The only reason he's playing on top of those advantages is because his body can deal with a limited training regime and a 20 game season in a SECONDS league. 3 byes BTW, he'll only be getting 1 at AFL if he can make it to that point.

Also his 2018 season at Subiaco isn't much better than his 2016 season at Peel despite the freedom. There were a few teams last year with problems in the ruck department that could of afforded to give him a punt, but he wasn't even worth that and there's a reason why.

I can't believe you're unironically trying to sell a player who will be 29 next year to your fellow supporters whilst adding the unnecessary Fremantle dirt with it despite you not even posting anything convincing on why you should pick him up yourself. You're just saying "LETS GET HIM" ?

At least I'm warning you guys to think of someone else to consider.
 
Yawkey way said:
Hannebery is cooked to a crisp this isn’t 1 bad season his form has been falling over the last 3 seasons.

I think people have forgotten the days when many players where finished at his age. Now they hang on for the money.

Hannebery is a small mid with a battered body I will be livid if we give up more than a late second especially as we are eating his contract.
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You clearly have no idea.
3 years ago -2016- all Australian
2 years ago - 2017 avg 25 possessions. BOG vs St Kilda 30 disposals and 2 goals
This year injuries after nonpre season.
It’s one year not three
 
Enclosed_Animal said:
Ripping call! Everything I have heard has his potential off the charts. Certainly worth the free hit based on x factor alone.

Answerth and Sambono work for you as our state-league pics?
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Imagine : Gresham Rankine Long Sambono

Would have nightmares playing against them .
 

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Deathly said:
Haha, you're so full of shit, still pretending to know things about the WA clubs and players. If you know so much then why don't you enlighten me on his TOG at Subiaco and his current training load at WAFL level compared to when he was in the AFL system. He's a 28 year old athlete that's only dominating because he's playing in one of the most stacked WAFL sides ever. The only reason he's playing on top of those advantages is because his body can deal with a limited training regime and a 20 game season in a SECONDS league. 3 byes BTW, he'll only be getting 1 at AFL if he can make it to that point.

Also his 2018 season at Subiaco isn't much better than his 2016 season at Peel despite the freedom. There were a few teams last year with problems in the ruck department that could of afforded to give him a punt, but he wasn't even worth that and there's a reason why.

I can't believe you're unironically trying to sell a player who will be 29 next year to your fellow supporters whilst adding the unnecessary Fremantle dirt with it despite you not even posting anything convincing on why you should pick him up yourself. You're just saying "LETS GET HIM" ?

At least I'm warning you guys to think of someone else to consider.
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when was the last time you watched him play? seriously? was it peel? because that would explain your post. he is not as hampered with the knee this year as he was last year. i've seen no issue with his time on ground. maybe that's the difference, i mean freo aren't renowned for their management and rehabilitation of players. great history there. i mean what other clubs turns their most important players corky, a 2-3 week injury max, into a season long career threatening fractured leg.

back to clarke, he's gone from a side of AFL listed players with 2-3 rucks, to one where he is the number 1 ruck and no full time AFL listed team mates. its hardly a stacked side, compared to what else is in the comp (peel and east perth). subi also run with a very demanding pre-season and training regime, whilst not full time. in fact many players have come in and said their pre-season is up there with an AFL clubs pre-season, which is why they don't always get the ex AFL players they try to recruit

but you are right, it is a level below AFL and the gap is significant, but it appears you missed the point of my post.

"I can't believe you're unironically trying to sell a player who will be 29 next year to your fellow supporters whilst adding the unnecessary Fremantle dirt with it despite you not even posting anything convincing on why you should pick him up yourself. You're just saying "LETS GET HIM""

ffs did you read my post? because if you ****ing did instead of coming in here all calfed up like bennell trying to get into a nightclub the night before training, you would realise i did provide reasoning for it. but here goes a ****ing 2nd time:

i never suggested he would be the number 1 ruck. nor that he'd be a long term prospect with the number 1 ruck in mind. the idea was you get a ready made back up for free, allowing you to trade the existing rucks (longer and hickey) we have and re-invest the picks you receive for them into our midfield which is our biggest weakness. he would allow you to persist with a development ruck such as pierce or allow us to draft another. in 2-3 years time, we shouldn't have a need for him.

but i dunno, maybe we should take your advice. i mean you seem reasonably sound, given you think giving bennell another 12 month contract is a good idea LOL
 
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Stewart66 said:
Imagine : Gresham Rankine Long Sambono

Would have nightmares playing against them .
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Love the idea, if only for the highlight reel!

Funnily enough Ratten (yes that same Ratten we all want) tried something similar with Yarran, Betts and Gartlett. Worked in flashes, but never clicked consistently. However, the concept was innovative and ahead of its time in some respects. Two things we havent been for a decade

Our group (assuming we drafted that) would certainly have the talent to pull off a completely different set up / attacking plan. A lot would have to go right of course, but I really like the concept of trying something new.

Not sure if I am completely out of my mind, but that set up could also be a way to bring out the best in Paddy too. Maximises his strengths and minimises his weaknesses.

Even if didn't always work, it would make going to the footy unpredictable and fun! And if it did work, we would be the team to watch!!
 
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StCicatriz said:
mate ive watched him all year, he's improved. dockers supporters think all kinds of things, they're the last people you should listen too

the idea behind it is we get lycett is the number 1 ruck, but keep clarke as insurance and keep a spot for a project type player be it pierce or someone else
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Has Zac learnt how to ruck yet? He always had the other aspects of his game in place. To me he is exactly like Hickey...capable everywhere else except the actual ruck contest. But Zac would be more injury prone.

RoMa could very well be the best of the lot. Just his ruck work and set shot routine need major work. If he continues his development over the off-season, and comes back fitter and stronger, he could be a genuine A-Grader.

If Longer or Hickey ask to be traded it will be as much about them being fully aware of RoMa’s capability, as it will be about another ruckman coming in.
 
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ariano said:
You clearly have no idea.
3 years ago -2016- all Australian
2 years ago - 2017 avg 25 possessions. BOG vs St Kilda 30 disposals and 2 goals
This year injuries after nonpre season.
It’s one year not three
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Bloody Western Australians
 
ariano said:
You clearly have no idea.
3 years ago -2016- all Australian
2 years ago - 2017 avg 25 possessions. BOG vs St Kilda 30 disposals and 2 goals
This year injuries after nonpre season.
It’s one year not three
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But 2017 he averaged 25 after two years of averaging 30+. And had only 6 Brownlow votes after two years of 20+, and in fact five years of 10+. Pretty clear 2017 was a little drop off his peak - his peak was super high though, so only to be expected.

On this board we just hope we don't sell the farm for him. He's had a poor season and will be 28 before he plays a game for us. Not to mention the off field stuff which is clearly a worry given our young group. If the Swans want a first rounder for him then we should just say thanks but no thanks and move on, imo.
 
CursingFijian said:
Has Zac learnt how to ruck yet? He always had the other aspects of his game in place. To me he is exactly like Hickey...capable everywhere else sceptical the actual ruck contest. But Zac would be more injury prone.

RoMa could very well be the best of the lot. Just his ruck work and set shot routine need major work. If he continues his development over the off-season, and comes back fitter and stronger, he could be a genuine A-Grade,

If Longer or Hickey ask to be traded it will be as much about them being fully aware of RoMa’s capability, as it will be about another ruckman coming in.
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Not sure what the opposition is like but clearly Clarke is having a good season - don't think we need him though - pass.

http://www.wafl.com.au/players/view/2093

The state league stuff is interesting - I think its a really good idea for the AFL to encourage clubs to look at mature age state leaguer's to help bolster the youngsters.
 
ariano said:
You clearly have no idea.
3 years ago -2016- all Australian
2 years ago - 2017 avg 25 possessions. BOG vs St Kilda 30 disposals and 2 goals
This year injuries after nonpre season.
It’s one year not three
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Rubbish his stats along with watching him play tell a different story.

I have a great idea why don’t the swans just keep their gun in his prime mid along with his rather large contract.

If you get a second rounder for mr sniffles you will have killed it.
 
Yawkey way said:
Rubbish his stats along with watching him play tell a different story.

I have a great idea why don’t the swans just keep their gun in his prime mid along with his rather large contract.

If you get a second rounder for mr sniffles you will have killed it.
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How can you say his form has been dropping for 3 years when he was an All Australian 2 years ago though?
 
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