Mega Thread 2018 Trade Period Discussion part 2! (cont. in Part 3 - link in OP)

[Red mist]

Is there some other forum you can take your distasteful language to? Yeah, I know, I'm a pussy... blah, blah, blah....

Why are you arcing up?
I’m a follower of your content.
I was chastised so I bit back.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Why are you arcing up?
I’m a follower of your content.
I was chastised so I bit back.

Cute. You into teddy bears?

 

[Red mist]

Pass so far. Got well overs for Lever and Cameron, paid overs for Gibbs although not huge overs.

Got decent value for Gov, around what he was worth, and added to our small forward depth. McAdam will play 15 or so games next year IMO. Stengle who knows.

Hes doing ok, not brilliant but not as ordinary as some of you would have us believe.

Kind of agree but am not sure of a phis ability to sit at a table and flush things. I’m completely sure he does an exhaustive process and I’d think he’d be under the pump.
His old man did what? Then quit
I don’t think we are good at the negotiating table because of this.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I would have kept McGovern unless Carlton threw in a future 2nd. Wouldn't have had an issue playing him in the SANFL which wouldn't have happened anyway.. Carlton would have rolled over. Reid is too soft. Proved it last year, proved it this year.

Maybe we overrated Gov. On the AFL website he doesn't get a mention into the 12 trades to watch or the also rans
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-19/fantasy-players-to-watch-from-the-trade-period

 

[Red mist]

Cute. You into teddy bears?

Shut it

 

[hey shorty]

Kind of agree but am not sure of a phis ability to sit at a table and flush things. I’m completely sure he does an exhaustive process and I’d think he’d be under the pump.
His old man did what? Then quit
I don’t think we are good at the negotiating table because of this.

JR is a former player manager, he has the negotiating ability.

 

[hey shorty]

Maybe we overrated Gov. On the AFL website he doesn't get a mention into the 12 trades to watch or the also rans
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-19/fantasy-players-to-watch-from-the-trade-period

As a DT player hes next to useless. Low volume decent impact, thats probably why he didnt rate a mention

 

[Red mist]

JR is a former player manager, he has the negotiating ability.

They all know

 

[Jbudds]

Maybe we overrated Gov. On the AFL website he doesn't get a mention into the 12 trades to watch or the also rans
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-19/fantasy-players-to-watch-from-the-trade-period

No, he will now be regarded as a superstar in Vic.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

The current Brownlow medallist was pick 21.



Kelly's 2019 contract would be the same, whether he's at Geelong or West Coast. You've agreed about the CBA after all.

All Kelly has lost is the guarantee of the Eagles wage for 2020+.
He could still get that next year.

Out of interest this is the last 10 years of Brownlow Medallists, the runners up, and their draft picks:

2018 - Mitchell (pick 21), Sidebottom (11)
2017 - Martin (3), Dangerfield (10)
2016 - Dangerfield (10), Parker (40)
2015 - Fyfe (20), Priddis (Rookie)
2014 - Priddis (rookie), Fyfe (20)
2013 - Ablett (40), Selwood (7)
2012 - Watson (40), Mitchell (36), Cotchin (2)
2011 - Swan (58), Mitchell (36)
2010 - Judd (3), Ablett (40)
2009 - Ablett (40), Judd (3)

And his years clubs best and fairest winners and their draft picks:

Laird (Rookie)
Zorko (23 year old zone selection)
Cripps (pick 13)
Sidebottom (11), Grundy (18)
Smith (14)
Neale (58)
Blicavs (Rookie)
Harbrow (Rookie)
Whitfield (1)
Mitchell (21)
Gawn (34)
Higgins (11)
Westhoff (71)
Riewoldt (13)
Steven (42)
Lloyd (Rookie)
Yeo (30)

What does this tell us? Well pick 40 and rookie picks seems good. Other than that, I don't really know, people can draw their own conclusions... just thought it would be interesting is all...

 

[fabs33]

Red mist, I apologise if my earlier comment offended you, it was never intended to do so and was made entirely out of playfulness. I have no problem with you being the way you are, however it is true that I often find it difficult to interpret the meaning of your posts.

 

[Red mist]

Red mist, I apologise if my earlier comment offended you, it was never intended to do so and was made entirely out of playfulness. I have no problem with you being the way you are, however it is true that I often find it difficult to interpret the meaning of your posts.

I’m encouraged by your openings.

 

[FR0GGY]

The current Brownlow medallist was pick 21.



Kelly's 2019 contract would be the same, whether he's at Geelong or West Coast. You've agreed about the CBA after all.

All Kelly has lost is the guarantee of the Eagles wage for 2020+.
He could still get that next year.

Why would it necessarily be the same? There’s plenty of players that switch clubs that wouldn’t be on the same (both more and less) as what they would have been if they stayed.

 

[FR0GGY]

Out of interest this is the last 10 years of Brownlow Medallists, the runners up, and their draft picks:

2018 - Mitchell (pick 21), Sidebottom (11)
2017 - Martin (3), Dangerfield (10)
2016 - Dangerfield (10), Parker (40)
2015 - Fyfe (20), Priddis (Rookie)
2014 - Priddis (rookie), Fyfe (20)
2013 - Ablett (40), Selwood (7)
2012 - Watson (40), Mitchell (36), Cotchin (2)
2011 - Swan (58), Mitchell (36)
2010 - Judd (3), Ablett (40)
2009 - Ablett (40), Judd (3)

And his years clubs best and fairest winners and their draft picks:

Laird (Rookie)
Zorko (23 year old zone selection)
Cripps (pick 13)
Sidebottom (11), Grundy (18)
Smith (14)
Neale (58)
Blicavs (Rookie)
Harbrow (Rookie)
Whitfield (1)
Mitchell (21)
Gawn (34)
Higgins (11)
Westhoff (71)
Riewoldt (13)
Steven (42)
Lloyd (Rookie)
Yeo (30)

What does this tell us? Well pick 40 and rookie picks seems good. Other than that, I don't really know, people can draw their own conclusions... just thought it would be interesting is all...

**** didn’t we give up pick 40 this year in the McAdam deal?

 

[Red mist]

**** didn’t we give up pick 40 this year in the McAdam deal?

Yeah there’s a bit of late pick shuffles that seems to be glossed

 

[Miss Vanessa]

**** didn’t we give up pick 40 this year in the McAdam deal?

Yet more incompetence by the club... we really should have kept 40 and converted all other picks into rookie selections.

 

[FR0GGY]

Yeah there’s a bit of late pick shuffles that seems to be glossed

Yeah but pick 40 is where you pick up the Ablett’s, Watson’s and Parker’s of the world.

 

[Vader]

**** didn’t we give up pick 40 this year in the McAdam deal?

I wouldn't get too concerned. Both of those pick #40 winners were F/S selections, back in the days when all it cost was a 3rd round pick. We don't have any F/S selections this year.

 

[Brentmeister]

Out of interest this is the last 10 years of Brownlow Medallists, the runners up, and their draft picks:

2018 - Mitchell (pick 21), Sidebottom (11)
2017 - Martin (3), Dangerfield (10)
2016 - Dangerfield (10), Parker (40)
2015 - Fyfe (20), Priddis (Rookie)
2014 - Priddis (rookie), Fyfe (20)
2013 - Ablett (40), Selwood (7)
2012 - Watson (40), Mitchell (36), Cotchin (2)
2011 - Swan (58), Mitchell (36)
2010 - Judd (3), Ablett (40)
2009 - Ablett (40), Judd (3)

And his years clubs best and fairest winners and their draft picks:

Laird (Rookie)
Zorko (23 year old zone selection)
Cripps (pick 13)
Sidebottom (11), Grundy (18)
Smith (14)
Neale (58)
Blicavs (Rookie)
Harbrow (Rookie)
Whitfield (1)
Mitchell (21)
Gawn (34)
Higgins (11)
Westhoff (71)
Riewoldt (13)
Steven (42)
Lloyd (Rookie)
Yeo (30)

What does this tell us? Well pick 40 and rookie picks seems good. Other than that, I don't really know, people can draw their own conclusions... just thought it would be interesting is all...

Re your brownlow medalist list: ablett, Mitchell and Watson were all F/S picks so their draft # is not indicative of where they were rated that year (or how they’d be picked if selected under the current f/s model).

 

[jo172]

Yeah but pick 40 is where you pick up the Ablett’s, Watson’s and Parker’s of the world.

Ablett and Watson were F/S back when it was a compulsory third rounder

 

[Next Gen Rookie]

Why would it necessarily be the same? There’s plenty of players that switch clubs that wouldn’t be on the same (both more and less) as what they would have been if they stayed.

Because it's his 2nd year mandated draftee contract.

Same as what happened with Boyd. His first year at the Dogs was his 2nd year draftee deal.

 

[Stiffy_18]

**** didn’t we give up pick 40 this year in the McAdam deal?

I think you will find those Brownlow medalist who were picked at 40 were father son selections back in the day when clubs only needed to give up a 3rd round pick for a father son prospect regardless of how good the kid was.

 

[cm_perfect]

Yeah but pick 40 is where you pick up the Ablett’s, Watson’s and Parker’s of the world.

Thanks Gary

 

[Next Gen Rookie]

Re your brownlow medalist list: ablett, Mitchell and Watson were all F/S picks so their draft # is not indicative of where they were rated that year (or how they’d be picked if selected under the current f/s model).

Mitchell would've been #16 under current rules, since it was Freo that bid.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

Re your brownlow medalist list: ablett, Mitchell and Watson were all F/S picks so their draft # is not indicative of where they were rated that year (or how they’d be picked if selected under the current f/s model).

Yeah. I know. But that’s where they were picked so I went with it. If I recall, Ablett certainly wasn’t rated top ten or even top twenty... not sure about Watson.