2019 5th Ashes Test 12-17 September - The Oval

[Seedsfan]

Applies to some of our blokes eg
Warner is not up to it. It’s time they shipped him off. They picked him on the back of white ball form and are too stubborn to say they got it wrong.
Harris is not up to it. It’s time they shipped him off. They picked him on the back of previous form and are too stubborn to say they got it wrong.

21 centuries from 78 games as opposed to 1 form 36. Warner has succeeded before been ranked in the top 5 test batsmen in the world but on the back of a poor series he is just a white ball player.

 

[CrowBloke]

1) Dissapointing but the hyperbole is pretty wack. First captain since 2001 to retain the ashes and his reward is to be ridiculed.
2) If you want to play the blame game the most obvious target would be Warner. If our second most productive batsman and most senior player had come close to contributing in any sense at all the series would probably have been won.

1) there has been a lot of angry, unfairly vitriolic criticisms of Paine but he's done his worst at times to attract it. Look again at the fields he set when Stokes went ballistic, allowing Stokes to keep the strike. Look at his dismal use (or non-use) of the DRS, his dropped catches, his average glovework, his 20-avge for the series, sending the Poms in to bat etc. Your sentence above should read:
"First man to Captain a team since 2001 to retain the Ashes ...etc". We have one man, and only one man, to thank for retaining the Ashes and it's not because of Paine. It's in spite of Paine (+ Warner + Harris ...).
2) I agree. Warner should have been dropped after Test 3. Add that to Paine's ineptitude and it's clear that Smith has carried the Aussies to an unlikely Ashes retention.

 

[Tugga27]

"We had them 8 for 220 and dropped 3 catches on day 1 despite partying for 3 days after retaining the Ashes"....end quote.

Doesn't matter what we had them.

Bottom line is we're pretty much going to be chasing 400 batting last after winning the toss.

 

[CrowBloke]

By the end of the summer I hope we see
Burns Renshaw Labushagne Smith Head Patterson Carey Cummins Pattinson Lyon Hazlewood
Pucovski 12th man
That's a team both for now and the future

Agree. Ish . Head/MMarsh is a problem, Langer LOVES Warner, plus who's your Captain?
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Yeah a middle order that has no proven test ability is unbeatable

Have you considered providing reasons for disagreeing, minus the sarcasm?
A middle order creates their own "proven Test ability" only after being selected. Our current Top 2, then 5/6/7 are failing. We need changes.
At least Fat Nyfe has offered a reasonable alternative and not just ridicule .

 

[Numero Uno]

Joe Root is a potato

The Poms call Smith lucky..Ben Stokes has had twice the luck and made half as many as Smith

 

[Cuzz09]

*Series Drawn 2-2
*Player of the series: Steve Smith
*Australia retain ashes

I would have DEFINATELY taken that at the start of the series.



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[Howard Littlejohn]

Warner and Harris to turn it on.

0/275 at stumps

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I'll have what he's smoking

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Will be all over tonight they don't care we still have the ashes and they are happy with that and just want to go home

This Test was all over at stumps on Day 1. When it ends is purely academic.

 

[Tugga27]

Australia will chase a total of around 400 on a fourth and fifth day wicket. That is what is likely to happen when you put the opposition in and the reason why most competent Captains are reluctant to do it.

If Australia loose this Test Tim Paine will wear most of the flak but the decision to put the opposition in has Langer written all over it. You would think after Lords Australia would have learned something but apparently not. Had rain not intervened at Lords, England would not have declared their second innings and Australia would almost certainly have lost.

Let us hope Australia can salvage something from the Fifth Test train wreck and bring off a remarkable victory.

Nice try.
Langer has said he wanted to bat and that's what the plan was just before the toss.

Apparently, Paine changed his mind at the last minute on a hunch.

 

[Numero Uno]

if it ends 2-2, that scoreline seriously flatters the poms

 

[Eagleboy68]

Is Paine serious?

"The only thing that's been a little bit disappointing in this test match is our catching and our referrals"

Well yeah but WHAT ABOUT THE BATTING YOU **** WIT!!!!!

 

[CrowBloke]

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That sign in the background lol

Here's Smith, 'gesturing' at the Poms (that vertical claw = middle finger )

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Is Paine serious?

"The only thing that's been a little bit disappointing in this test match is our catching and our referrals"

Well yeah but WHAT ABOUT THE BATTING YOU fu** WIT!!!!!

Not to mention decisions by a wishy-washy captain after winning the toss.

 

[corbies]

I quite like Paine's presser. Took no shit with the dumb questions.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Joe Root is a potato

The Poms call Smith lucky..Ben Stokes has had twice the luck and made half as many as Smith

That potato scored over 7000 runs.

He has had a spud summer tho.

 

[CrowBloke]

Was he really being a smart arse when someone asked him about not using DRS very well during the whole series [?]

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I just didn’t like the way he answered that question. No need to be a smart arse ...

Saw the presser just now on ABC News, good timing. I thought Paine meant it, took it on face value, not being a smartarse.
I thought his point about how hard it is to get it right was well-made (especially those LBWs).
Problem was that Paine got a few DRS referrals wrong early, which made him gun shy and second-guess himself. His non-referrals later reflect that --- instead of trying to be right, he was too nervous to be wrong (again).

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Nice try.
Langer has said he wanted to bat and that's what the plan was just before the toss.

Apparently, Paine changed his mind at the last minute on a hunch.

On a hunch??!! Good grief, he has to go. You bring on a part time bowler "on a hunch". You may bat a tail ender up the list "on a hunch". However, unless there's an iron clad reason to send the opposition in ... you BAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm starting to think Paine's not all there.

 

[Cuzz09]

When can Smith be captain again?

March?

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[Fat Nyfe]

Maybe Paine knew something we didn't. Maybe the batsmen were so absolutely fried on Day 1 from the booze and pingaz that he saved us from an embarrassing 25 all out. And they needed a day standing around in the field in sunnies to hide their massive pupils.

 

[Cleavy]

Maybe Paine knew something we didn't. Maybe the batsmen were so absolutely fried on Day 1 from the booze and pingaz that he saved us from an embarrassing 25 all out. And they needed a day standing around in the field in sunnies to hide their massive pupils.

explains the dropped catches on Day 1

 

[rocker_oz33]

Ponting said it was a gusty call to bowl first .

Shades of 2005 when ponting bowled first poms made 400 in a day 1.

 

[Gough]

Maybe Paine knew something we didn't. Maybe the batsmen were so absolutely fried on Day 1 from the booze and pingaz that he saved us from an embarrassing 25 all out. And they needed a day standing around in the field in sunnies to hide their massive pupils.

Worth a gamble, someone might have gone all Dock Ellis on us.

 

[Kappa]

How many of these batsmen will score under 10 in our 2nd dig

Harris
Warner
Wade
Marsh
Paine

A:3
B:4
C:all of them

 

[Cleavy]

How many of these batsmen will score under 10 in our 2nd dig

Harris
Warner
Wade
Marsh
Paine

A:3
B:4
C:all of them

lock in 'A' for me

 

[Mad_Hatter]

How many of these batsmen will score under 10 in our 2nd dig

Harris
Warner
Wade
Marsh
Paine

A:3
B:4
C:all of them

C would be $1.01 favourites.