Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread #2

[eastfreo75]

Doesn't everyone on this board want to sack them?

We are rightly upset about the injuries in the last 4 years.

A coach going against his conditioning team isn’t a great idea.

 

[Daddoo]

Bradley Hill reveals who he told of his impending move to St Kilda once the deal was agreed mid-season

'I didn't tell the captain': Just how quiet did Hill keep his Saints move?

Bradley Hill reveals who he told of his impending move to St Kilda once the deal was agreed mid-season

m.afl.com.au

First I heard of a miniscus tear. Damaged goods? This trade may work out better for Freo than we expected. If Bhill can’t run as long or as hard his biggest weapon is gone and he becomes an average ball player.

Pick 10 (Henry, Stephenson, etc..) > Bhill with a bunk knee


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[Clems Knee]

Stephens. Not Stephenson.

 

[more_of_bito]

Scenario:
We cut 2 more and give ourselves 5 picks in the draft

So it's draft night...pick 13 comes around and goes...We've got Stephens and Luke Jackson in the shed using 7 and ten

Liam Henry is still on the board....as are Gould, Robertson, Sharp and Rivers.

1st pick 2020 to Geelong for 14 and 17? Yay or nay?

Big freaking yay from me

Nope rather top 5 pick next year and Western

 

[arsesmart]

Jason Weber has an impressive CV and has been at the club since 2008. I also seem to remember us having a pretty good injury run between 2012-14. The rumours about Lyon being dictatorial over decisions are plausible but Weber should be experienced enough to put his foot down.

I think it's more to do with how Lyon wanted us to play and how he wanted the build of the players. Lyon led over a demanding game style focused on congestion and pressure with the requirement for flexibility (play multiple roles). Players like Stephen Hill were bulking up to be able to play both inside and outside - it took its toll on some.

I'm happy for Weber to be in the role over the next year or two under a new regime. Too much change at once causes way too much instability!

In 2011 we had just about the worst injury list in history. It was so bad Freo was petitioning the AFL to draft in extra non-listed players from the WAFL.

I reckon the S&C team seems great at building a fitness and strength base, but serious questions linger about their injury prevention and management. Fyfe is a good case in point. Strong as buggery, run to the horizon, but not the most resilient staying on the park (except this year, when a random hippie he met randomly got him onto Pilates).

I'd also tend to call cobblers on Mr Cobblers Do The Cobbelling crossing boundaries into the medical department. Also from what I've seen the taxing gameplay impacting injuries tends to be feelpinion stuff, without any hard evidence.

That said, I do reckon we might see an upswing in our availability, if Longmuir lives up to his rep, as there's studies that show teams with more relaxed coaches have lower injury lists.

 

[mike91]

Bradley Hill reveals who he told of his impending move to St Kilda once the deal was agreed mid-season

'I didn't tell the captain': Just how quiet did Hill keep his Saints move?

Bradley Hill reveals who he told of his impending move to St Kilda once the deal was agreed mid-season

m.afl.com.au

First I heard of a miniscus tear. Damaged goods? This trade may work out better for Freo than we expected. If Bhill can’t run as long or as hard his biggest weapon is gone and he becomes an average ball player.

Pick 10 (Henry, Stephenson, etc..) > Bhill with a bunk knee


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Calm your farm, it's hardly a career ending injury. Hill is fine.

 

[Square Peg]

I've heard from a couple of different sources that this was very much the sort of environment our S&C team were working in under Lyon. Not just for games but training availability too.

The people with their eyes open were saying that when he was here. For their trouble they got called Lyon haters.

 

[ChimpaWompa]

What we got for Hill was, on paper, a better deal than pick 6 and a third rounder (if that was what was really offered).

But if Henry gets bid on before pick 10, then it really puts the Hill deal in a new light. Unless im missing something we'd have cost ourselves 2 consecutive top 10 picks AND henry, for our current top pick, Henry and 22 meaning we've downgraded from pick 6 to pick 22 and change. That's a bit of a balls up in my book and probably meant we didn't / don't expect Henry to be bid on that high.

 

[nurries]

What we got for Hill was, on paper, a better deal than pick 6 and a third rounder (if that was what was really offered).

But if Henry gets bid on before pick 10, then it really puts the Hill deal in a new light. Unless im missing something we'd have cost ourselves 2 consecutive top 10 picks AND henry, for our current top pick, Henry and 22 meaning we've downgraded from pick 6 to pick 22 and change. That's a bit of a balls up in my book and probably meant we didn't / don't expect Henry to be bid on that high.

Let’s wait for it to pan out but I think Henry projects higher than Hill anyhow. Kids an absolute jet

 

[arsesmart]

The people with their eyes open were saying that when he was here. For their trouble they got called Lyon haters.

No need for any name calling (or victimisation grasping). I would just say that it doesn't ring true to observable evidence.

Of course, human nature tends to mean those who don't like Lyon are more prone to accept it without much scrutiny (and vice versa for those who liked Lyon).

 

[more_of_bito]

What we got for Hill was, on paper, a better deal than pick 6 and a third rounder (if that was what was really offered).

But if Henry gets bid on before pick 10, then it really puts the Hill deal in a new light. Unless im missing something we'd have cost ourselves 2 consecutive top 10 picks AND henry, for our current top pick, Henry and 22 meaning we've downgraded from pick 6 to pick 22 and change. That's a bit of a balls up in my book and probably meant we didn't / don't expect Henry to be bid on that high.

Yep, but if he is bid on after 10 then the club and Bell are geniuses....? Hopefully you state that if you’re wrong.
Imagine if Acres plays more games next year the Brad? Do you think Freo or St Kilda will win a premiership in the next 2 years with Brad at his peak? I’d take pick 10 this year as a 21 yo in two years time.
If Acres doesn’t make best 22 , he’s steak knives anyway so it’s still a win for Freo right?
There’s so many positives in the deal heavily weighted in our favour sick of hearing the negativity on this board about how the sky is falling.
Irrespective of whenHenry bid, worse case we get three draft picks inside top 25. Best case apparently we get 3 top 10 players if he’s bid at 11 or later

 

[Walkingwounded]

What we got for Hill was, on paper, a better deal than pick 6 and a third rounder (if that was what was really offered).

But if Henry gets bid on before pick 10, then it really puts the Hill deal in a new light. Unless im missing something we'd have cost ourselves 2 consecutive top 10 picks AND henry, for our current top pick, Henry and 22 meaning we've downgraded from pick 6 to pick 22 and change. That's a bit of a balls up in my book and probably meant we didn't / don't expect Henry to be bid on that high.

Wot can I say... r u off your meds... Brad Hill god bless him, not on contract , was worth at best 10-15 in a draft.. wants too leave...

Freo have achieved WAY better than that and you call it a balls up.

Take a chill pill and we’ll you know the rest!

 

[Bicco]

Doesn't everyone on this board want to sack them?

I personally feel that if Bennell gets picked up by another club and gets on the park then the head of our S&C division (given it's the same people) should be given a written warning around job performance.

 

[freodog]

I personally feel that if Bennell gets picked up by another club and gets on the park then the head of our S&C division (given it's the same people) should be given a written warning around job performance.

Written warning? They should be walked immediately!

 

[blue shark]

We are rightly upset about the injuries in the last 4 years.

A coach going against his conditioning team isn’t a great idea.

I agree, that something was wrong or the club didn't know how to change. Those 2012-2015 years were with a mature list.
Rebuilding was foreign to Ross, and I believe he was his own worst enemy.
Insread of working on skills, gameplan, we seemed to be lost, lack true direction or vision. That an inexperienced team in the box
didn't help.
Also you get one Fyfe and what works for him doesn't necessarily work for others, the guy is a special physical breed.
Not everyone can be contested players, and our outside game had suffered.
The contested style just didn't suit our list anymore, and the game had moved on. A mixture of both and who knows what may have
happened? I guess we do know when we look at the Tigers with envious. Eyes.

 

[Taylor]

Jason Weber has an impressive CV and has been at the club since 2008. I also seem to remember us having a pretty good injury run between 2012-14. The rumours about Lyon being dictatorial over decisions are plausible but Weber should be experienced enough to put his foot down.

I think it's more to do with how Lyon wanted us to play and how he wanted the build of the players. Lyon led over a demanding game style focused on congestion and pressure with the requirement for flexibility (play multiple roles). Players like Stephen Hill were bulking up to be able to play both inside and outside - it took its toll on some.

I'm happy for Weber to be in the role over the next year or two under a new regime. Too much change at once causes way too much instability!

I remember losing Sandilands, Pavlich, Fyfe, McPharlin for significant periods in that time. Not to mention our #4 draft pick repeatedly doing his knee.

I don't think it's possible to play AFL without there being a physical toll

 

[eastfreo75]

I agree, that something was wrong or the club didn't know how to change. Those 2012-2015 years were with a mature list.
Rebuilding was foreign to Ross, and I believe he was his own worst enemy.
Insread of working on skills, gameplan, we seemed to be lost, lack true direction or vision. That an inexperienced team in the box
didn't help.
Also you get one Fyfe and what works for him doesn't necessarily work for others, the guy is a special physical breed.
Not everyone can be contested players, and our outside game had suffered.
The contested style just didn't suit our list anymore, and the game had moved on. A mixture of both and who knows what may have
happened? I guess we do know when we look at the Tigers with envious. Eyes.

Mature age and young players should miss games due to load management.

I personally wouldn't play young players with injury concerns. They don't have the mature bodies to cope with a 22 game season.

Sure, people can make the argument that Darcy wouldn't have played in the Blues game because of the players out. Carlton lefted Cripps at home (load management) and us pushing Darcy didn't win us the game.

 

[eastfreo75]

I remember losing Sandilands, Pavlich, Fyfe, McPharlin for significant periods in that time. Not to mention our #4 draft pick repeatedly doing his knee.

I don't think it's possible to play AFL without there being a physical toll

AFL takes a troll for sure.

I wonder if it is better to give a player a rest now and then to prevent players breaking down and losing even more games.

 

[Taylor]

AFL takes a troll for sure.

I wonder if it is better to give a player a rest now and then to prevent players breaking down and losing even more games.

I would like to see what the competition would look like if jabs weren't allowed to be used either to get a player to be able to play or to keep them going in a game.

Although I think we'd see more cheap hits, we wouldn't see many teams with their best 22 playing

 

[blue shark]

AFL takes a troll for sure.

I wonder if it is better to give a player a rest now and then to prevent players breaking down and losing even more games.

Hawks were the champs at this, doesn't hurt being located in Vic, after the bye in 2020 will decide if we are
any better.

 

[eastfreo75]

Hawks were the champs at this, doesn't hurt being located in Vic, after the bye in 2020 will decide if we are
any better.

Sometimes I think a banged out best 22 player would have the same output as a marginal player who is 100%.

Give the best 22 player a rest and the following weeks output is better.

 

[Bring back Drum]

The modern coach is far more educated in the needs of the individual & how to adapt that to the requirements of the team. Overall injury & load management can be controlled predominantly with training schedules, particularly for the rookie & the veteran.

Games can be missed, but usually they are games you expect to win easily or lose easily & are obviously away games.

The problem we’ve had recently is a lack of trust in those outside of our top 15-20 players to come in & do a job when an injury has occurred to that group.

I think that will be one of the obvious changes we will see from our new coach, with these players better prepared to fulfil a role & challenge for it permanently.

 

[Cobbler]

I personally feel that if Bennell gets picked up by another club and gets on the park then the head of our S&C division (given it's the same people) should be given a written warning around job performance.

100% fact.
Bennell was forced to keep building up his calf strength. He told a friend of mine he hated it, thought it contributed to his issues. Said he knew his body etc but staff kept telling him this was the only way. After 2 years they changed tact with his rehab.

Fast forward to now and he had to have muscle removed.

S & C team have to be held responsible.

He isn’t an isolated case. Whether or not he plays again remains to be seen. If he does I for one will be ropable that we as a professional organisation weren’t able to help.

 

[Bring back Drum]

100% fact.
Bennell was forced to keep building up his calf strength. He told a friend of mine he hated it, thought it contributed to his issues. Said he knew his body etc but staff kept telling him this was the only way. After 2 years they changed tact with his rehab.

Fast forward to now and he had to have muscle removed.

S & C team have to be held responsible.

He isn’t an isolated case. Whether or not he plays again remains to be seen. If he does I for one will be ropable that we as a professional organisation weren’t able to help.

I think we have to be cautious in judging Bennell. I don’t think we can be sure that he was the best at doing everything possible in his rehab.

 

[Cobbler]

I think we have to be cautious in judging Bennell. I don’t think we can be sure that he was the best at doing everything possible in his rehab.

Maybe not but he did build his calf’s up non stop and then S & C team changed approach.