Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

[Admiral Byng]

Nearly 2019 and people still think McCarthy being garbage for two seasons is a result of how and where he was being played.

It is a valid argument if you look at his best games for Freo and where played. His best games (early in the season) were at half-forward, once he got pushed up to full-forward he struggled to have an impact.

He is not a full-forward's arseh*le. We got Lobb, Hogan, Tabs and Cox to fill those sort of roles, we are looking for small/medium half-forwards who can feed the ball in to them. McCarthy has got to be in contention for that latter role, he is a better half-forward than full-forward.

 

[WilloTree]

Why don't we put this topic on the backburner until five rounds into next year. If Cam is taking those ten marks instead of them bouncing off his chest then we have a gun half forward, if he is still playing like he has been having two hours sleep a night then we know what we have.

I know what I'd prefer, but we will have no room to wiggle a month into next season - unless he is injured, which we don't want.

Depends where he's taking them. We want our forwards taking them inside 50. And before we start raving about how good Taberner is at contested marks - here's the stats for Taberner/McCarthy at same age.

Marks Inside 50 Per Game (Ave)
McCarthy 1.6
Taberner 1.1

Surely we don't just ignore that fact McCarthy is 2 years younger, kicks more goals and plays more games.

 

[Rion]

Think McCarthy gets the gig first up just because he's got more upside if we can get it working. He's a guy that, unlike Cox/Tabs, can genuinely kick 40-50.

If Ross/forward line coach can't get the forward line working half-decently within 5-6 games then you've got the option to replace him with a Cox/Tabs and accept we'll be bombing it in long.

 

[Demons09]

Taberner is a very good WAFL player he’ll struggle to get a game with Lobb and Hogan in the side, Dardy on the other hand is so more talented than Tabs as shown in half a season for GWS, hopefully a good pre season and played in his right position as a third tall he’ll flourish.

 

[Unique Name]

McCarthy needs to lose some weight period. He played like shit for the majority of the year. Can't believe people are still defending him.

Yeah, yeah when he gets the 6th best defender, that's when he'll come good.

Bloke needs to pull his finger out.

 

[WilloTree]

Sure, Taberner is a superior contested mark but McCarthy has 60% more marks inside 50.

Yep - it's just people got carried away with his stats at the end of 2017. Look, I understand the area Taberner has improved in, and that's contested marking outside 50. But the original quote was that McCarthy would be at Peel because Taberner would automatically be in front of him.

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be so sure. Especially if you are specifically looking for someone to play in the forward line. As a forward you really just want:

1. At a bare minimum; turn up. McCarthy plays more games
2. Hit the scoreboard. McCarthy kicks more goals (and more points)
3. Mark it inside 50. McCarthy's Marks inside 50 are nearly double that of Taberner
4. Apply some defensive pressure.
Tackles inside 50 (ave) Tackles (ave)
McCarthy 0.7 1.8
Taberner 0.2 1.3
5. Create scores
Goal Assists Per game (ave)
McCarthy 0.6
Taberner 0.2

 

[blue shark]

McCarthy needs to lose some weight period. He played like shit for the majority of the year. Can't believe people are still defending him.

Yeah, yeah when he gets the 6th best defender, that's when he'll come good.

Bloke needs to pull his finger out.

Its not all on the player though, the club sets the standard or bar. The play your way in, play your way out? Freo really need to lift its game.
Mayne was the perfect example, the double standards, and letting the players run extra skills programs?

 

[eastfreo75]

Yep - it's just people got carried away with his stats at the end of 2017. Look, I understand the area Taberner has improved in, and that's contested marking outside 50. But the original quote was that McCarthy would be at Peel because Taberner would automatically be in front of him.

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be so sure. Especially if you are specifically looking for someone to play in the forward line. As a forward you really just want:

1. At a bare minimum; turn up. McCarthy plays more games
2. Hit the scoreboard. McCarthy kicks more goals (and more points)
3. Mark it inside 50. McCarthy's Marks inside 50 are nearly double that of Taberner
4. Apply some defensive pressure.
Tackles inside 50 (ave) Tackles (ave)
McCarthy 0.7 1.8
Taberner 0.2 1.3
5. Create scores
Goal Assists Per game (ave)
McCarthy 0.6
Taberner 0.2

Totally agree.

A lot of Taberner contested marks are caused because he doesn’t get separation or doesn’t know where to lead. Therefore, more contested marks and possessions.

McCarthy gets more uncontested marks due to being clever and knowing when and where to lead. Taberner is dumb as dog .

If he can lose some weight and get mobile he will kill with Hogan and Lobb.

 

[blue shark]

Totally agree.

A lot of Taberner contested marks are caused because he doesn’t get separation or doesn’t know where to lead. Therefore, more contested marks and possessions.

McCarthy gets more uncontested marks due to being clever and knowing when and where to lead. Taberner is dumb as dog .

If he can lose some weight and get mobile he will kill with Hogan and Lobb.

Same argument, its not all the players fault, good forward coaches create seperation with set plays and working together.
Any midfielder can bomb it long, hoping for contested marks, its only one trick and poor coaching, and without quality
roving its perfect for intercept, rebound footy.

 

[WilloTree]

McCarthy needs to lose some weight period. He played like shit for the majority of the year. Can't believe people are still defending him.

Yeah, yeah when he gets the 6th best defender, that's when he'll come good.

Bloke needs to pull his finger out.

Interestingly, the Player Ranking don't agree with you. McCarthy showed steady improvement (as you would expect from a 22 year old). Taberner stagnated.

Brennen Cox went past them both.

386 Fremantle Key Forward up 187.5
410 Fremantle Key Defender no-change 165.6
423 Fremantle Small/Medium Forward up 155.7
441 Fremantle Small/Medium Defender down 143.5
443 Fremantle Midfielder/Forward down 142.7
444 Fremantle Small/Medium Forward down 141
448 Fremantle Ruck no-change 135.2
453 Fremantle Midfielder down 130.8
480 Fremantle Key Forward no-change 112.4

 

[Walkingwounded]

Do we still have more list management to do, as we seem a bit lite on live Draft picks

Fremantle
2018 senior list: 39
Deletions: 7 (Pearce, Johnson, Spurr retired, Neale traded, Grey, Sheridan, Sutcliffe delisted)
Additions: 7 (Conca, Hogan, Lobb, Colyer traded/FA, Banfield, Nyhuis, Duman reportedly upgraded)
Live picks: 1 (currently 14, also have 31, 43, 65, more delistings to come)

 

[blue shark]

Interestingly, the Player Ranking don't agree with you. McCarthy showed steady improvement (as you would expect from a 22 year old). Taberner stagnated.

Brennen Cox went past them both.

386 Fremantle Key Forward up 187.5
410 Fremantle Key Defender no-change 165.6
423 Fremantle Small/Medium Forward up 155.7
441 Fremantle Small/Medium Defender down 143.5
443 Fremantle Midfielder/Forward down 142.7
444 Fremantle Small/Medium Forward down 141
448 Fremantle Ruck no-change 135.2
453 Fremantle Midfielder down 130.8
480 Fremantle Key Forward no-change 112.4

Interestingly, the Player Ranking don't agree with you. McCarthy showed steady improvement (as you would expect from a 22 year old). Taberner stagnated.

Brennen Cox went past them both.

386 Fremantle Key Forward up 187.5
410 Fremantle Key Defender no-change 165.6
423 Fremantle Small/Medium Forward up 155.7
441 Fremantle Small/Medium Defender down 143.5
443 Fremantle Midfielder/Forward down 142.7
444 Fremantle Small/Medium Forward down 141
448 Fremantle Ruck no-change 135.2
453 Fremantle Midfielder down 130.8
480 Fremantle Key Forward no-change 112.4

Injury aside, Tabs, Freo looked best before his foot problem, then we lost Sonny and had our small forwards playing midfield.
Next year with a stronger spine, structure, and less injury? We will get a better picture.
Our fitness regime needs looking into, no perfect example of that is Willie Rioli at WC, that sort of transformation is
required for McCarthy.
Either Ross has plateaued or the rest of the comp has caught up, but when he first came here it finally felt like we were
professionally run.

 

[eastfreo75]

With the Cats swaping picks 51 for 59 and 60. I have a few ideas to do trade for mutual benefits.

Pick 31 and 43 for Dogs pick pick 27 and future 3rd. Gives us only 3 picks and reduces delistings by 1. Promise not to bid on West.

Pick 31 and 43 for Swans pick 26 and future 3rd. Rather do the Dogs.

pick 31 for Swans pick 33 and future 4th. We don't lose draft position due to pick 31 and 33 will be eaten by f/s of the Dogs and Swans

Pick 31 for Dogs 32 and future 4th.

pick 43 for 45 Dogs and future 4th.

Others might have better ideas?

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Our 2019 1st plus 31 for a mid first 2018 (9-12) and 2019 2nd rounder and 4th rounder.

If it means getting clark and hill or two quality mids with our 14 and say pick 10....and not to panic about not getting a first rounder next year in trading...ths year 4 clubs brought in 10 first rounders between them.

Combinations of Hil Clark, Hill Valente, Valente Stocker, Clark Stocker, Clark Valente, Caldwell Duursma O Hallaran or Ely Smith or any combination there of. If PA and Adelaide resolve what they may do with GC then we may have an opening with any of up to sixclubs to trade like i have suggested.

I think though we already have our targets in relation to picks.

 

[wayToGo_]

Lachlan Tiziani delisted by GWS. I think we know what we need to do...

 

[Eski3]

Mccarthy is also far and away a better field kick, and decision maker, than tabs

 

[Joao]

I think the gap in talent between Cam and Tabs is roughly the same as the gap in application.

If Cam put in like Tabs does then he'd be a superstar.

 

[_007_]

Pick 2 of Taberner, Hogan and Cox. Tall marking forwards that can’t ruck. McCarthy and Taberner aren’t even in direct competition for a spot imo.

Walters Hogan McCarthy
Lobb Taberner inanimate carbon rod

 

[tonygeeks]

With the Cats swaping picks 51 for 59 and 60. I have a few ideas to do trade for mutual benefits.

Pick 31 and 43 for Dogs pick pick 27 and future 3rd. Gives us only 3 picks and reduces delistings by 1. Promise not to bid on West.

Pick 31 and 43 for Swans pick 26 and future 3rd. Rather do the Dogs.

pick 31 for Swans pick 33 and future 4th. We don't lose draft position due to pick 31 and 33 will be eaten by f/s of the Dogs and Swans

Pick 31 for Dogs 32 and future 4th.

pick 43 for 45 Dogs and future 4th.

Others might have better ideas?

Well we've traded out our future 3rd + 4th already ...... so back to the drawing board for you mate


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[tonygeeks]

Our 2019 1st plus 31 for a mid first 2018 (9-12) and 2019 2nd rounder and 4th rounder.

If it means getting clark and hill or two quality mids with our 14 and say pick 10....and not to panic about not getting a first rounder next year in trading...ths year 4 clubs brought in 10 first rounders between them.

Combinations of Hil Clark, Hill Valente, Valente Stocker, Clark Stocker, Clark Valente, Caldwell Duursma O Hallaran or Ely Smith or any combination there of. If PA and Adelaide resolve what they may do with GC then we may have an opening with any of up to sixclubs to trade like i have suggested.

I think though we already have our targets in relation to picks.

Already traded out 2019 3+4 so I'm not sure , but I would think that might prevent trading our 2019 1st but I'm not 100% on that


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[freo_leo29]

Well we've traded out our future 3rd + 4th already ...... so back to the drawing board for you mate


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Why? he is trading our 31 in order to get back into the 3rd and 4th rounds of next year because we don't need all our picks this year

(even tho Rosich said we did want to be in all 4 rounds)

 

[eastfreo75]

Well we've traded out our future 3rd + 4th already ...... so back to the drawing board for you mate


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The trades are to get us back picks next year.

Need to read again.

 

[FreoMonocle]

Yeah, yeah when he gets the 6th best defender, that's when he'll come good. Bloke needs to pull his finger out.

While I don't disagree on the pulling the finger out... On your argument, Walters doesn't get one of the best 2 tall defenders either, he must be useless...

Position played makes a hell of a difference, you play better if it's your natural role and worse if it isn't. Look at McCarthy in his time at GWS, yes he has height, but didn't play as a KPF, hangs just outside of the pack and crumbs off the other talls, or just leads away from the pack and congestion.

Yes he has some height, but just because you are tall it doesn't mean you only get given skillset 1. True rucks are often average (at best) when thrown in as a KPF even thought they are "Tall", body work in a pack is a particular skillset and cam doesn't have it. We tried to make him a KPF purely because of his height, it was never going to look good. Play him as a medium tall instead and he has a chance to actually show what he can do, by comparison to Mayne he can actually kick and has better leading patterns (but not as good defensively).

 

[tonygeeks]

The trades are to get us back picks next year.

Need to read again.

Ok , apologies


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[tonygeeks]

Why? he is trading our 31 in order to get back into the 3rd and 4th rounds of next year because we don't need all our picks this year

(even tho Rosich said we did want to be in all 4 rounds)

Yep , got it now


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