2019 Trade thread

[M Malice]

David Noble on the Roar Deal today was saying that we are keen to move up into the top 10-12 picks in the draft.

He mentioned that the recruiting team see 2 standouts in this years draft ie. Anderson and Rowell and then a group of 6-10 players in the next tier.

 

[Dodongo]

Cutler wouldn't get a game at the Dogs - they are stacked for midfielders/flankers.

Dodongo would be shocked if Cutler got a game anywhere. Take whatever we can get and run

 

[Gibbo_88]

Dodongo would be shocked if Cutler got a game anywhere. Take whatever we can get and run

I know it's been mentioned by Noble that Cutlers Dad is unwell. Perhaps that has been having an effect on him this season.
Pretty sure he played most games the year before when we weren't looking too bad of a team.

 

[Football Pope]

Cutler wouldn't get a game at the Dogs - they are stacked for midfielders/flankers.

I'd back him in to get more than a game.. a lot of folk didn't think Schache would get a senior gig at the dogs

 

[Tom14]

I'd back him in to get more than a game.. a lot of folk didn't think Schache would get a senior gig at the dogs

Different positions though - Dogs are light on for Key talls at both ends. Whereas they are stacked in the midfield and with outside run.

Cutler will play for some teams I just don't think he's a fit for the Dogs.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I'd back him in to get more than a game.. a lot of folk didn't think Schache would get a senior gig at the dogs

I think many of us thought Schache would get a game (because at that time, pre-Naughton, the Dogs badly needed a key forward) but never really reach the heights. I'm still unconvinced he will although he has shown more in the way of contested marking and general aggression at the ball than he ever did with us. Cutler is harder to predict. He could flourish in the right environment (query if that is Essendon) or he could fade into obscurity.

 

[Berrygood]

Agree. This seems odd. I was expecting we would be grouping picks and trading up not creating more picks ‘to use’.

Likely we’ll ask for future picks for cutler/Taylor if they leave now you’d think.

We have picks 16/21/34/52/55. So need 5 list spots open to use those picks.

We only have hodge out so far but Ellis yolman And Birchall in.

Say 34 for ah chee.

Cutler and Taylor out for future picks.

That’s still 3 out/4 in and 4 picks at the draft requiring 5 further delistings?

Why do you think we are likely to ask for future picks for taylor, cutler, n robbo? Has this been stated by anyone in the club to confirm this?

Still a lot of water to go under the bridge yet. More picks in more out. More players out more in. We can bundle late picks together to match if required academy lads are bid on early. We dont have to use all our picks in the draft, min of 3 i think it is. Also with live trading of picks during the draft we can trade up, down or for next year should we need.

About delistings they are a necessity in the evolution of every club. Some will certainly go, basti, lester eg, but as we have done in the past we can manipulate the rookie list by moving listed players on it to open up spots. The rookie list these days is more of a 'nearly out the door list' than a speculative talent list anyway. I can see bundy, walker for eg shuffled onto the rookie list this year.

A person can drive themselves potty trying to do the accounting as things happen, seems to be more loopholes and complications than the tax laws. But like the tax system its the end result that matters with fortunes being judged then.

 

[davemc_lions]

Rookies interesting.. We have to upgrade Big O and I think Hinge this year or re draft? As well as Basti which most think is gone.
I say Big O a lock to be upgraded.
We keen to re-rookie Eagles so if Basti and Hinge go (No one talking about Hinge?) and Big O upgrades.
3 Rookie spots.. Are we looking Coleman or Cumberland for one? Or are we looking to move someone back. Or both
Talk of Taylor/Cutler going Maybe Bundy..
What about C Lyons, Keays, Lester, Skinner, Walker or N Robbo some could move to rookie spots?

 

[M Malice]

I'd be very surprised if we moved Sam Skinner on, still only 22(same as Hippy) and we have invested a lot of time into him, also coming off a full season in the NEAFL, I think you're spot on davemc_lions , he'll be moved to a rookie spot.

 

[CarterS]

David Noble on the Roar Deal today was saying that we are keen to move up into the top 10-12 picks in the draft.

Problem is there's probably 6 clubs in same position.

 

[Scubaveg]

I'd be very surprised if we moved Sam Skinner on, still only 22(same as Hippy) and we have invested a lot of time into him, also coming off a full season in the NEAFL, I think you're spot on davemc_lions , he'll be moved to a rookie spot.

Skinner’s not going anywhere. Noble spoke to the young key position stocks we have when speaking in trade radio on Wednesday. He specifically mentioned Skinner in the conversation.



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[briztoon]

Never thought of Cumberland as a defensive player, he loves to take the game on and is much happier with the ball than without it.

I did say he has the tools to be a defensive player.

 

[brizrider]

As it stands the Lions have been the most active club in this trade period

 

[13Beast]

All of these players requesting trades to St Kilda has raised a few questions in my mind.

1. What's the appeal of going to St Kilda?
2. Why would you want to go to Sk Kilda?
3. Why do these players want to play for St Kilda?

Ratten perhaps

 

[Dodongo]

Skinner is versatile as well at both ends. Dodongo figured earlier in the year Skinner would be safe.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Problem is there's probably 6 clubs in same position.

But not many with the currency to do it. Realistically, of those that don't already have a top 10-12 pick, Geelong, St Kilda and the Dogs are the only candidates unless one of the others puts a decent future pic/s on the table.

 

[BangyBangy]

But not many with the currency to do it. Realistically, of those that don't already have a top 10-12 pick, Geelong, St Kilda and the Dogs are the only candidates unless one of the others puts a decent future pic/s on the table.

Reckon you can put a line through Dogs & Saints moving up the order too, with the upcoming trades their early picks will be snaffled up / traded down. Depends if Geelong try to get in the top 10 or if they are happy enough & think they can bring in two solid talents at 14 & 17.

Unless we have one or two specific targets in mind for the top 10 that we know are rolled gold, I wouldn't mind us taking 16 & 21 to the draft.

 

[Doc Hattori]

Cutler wouldn't get a game at the Dogs - they are stacked for midfielders/flankers.

Not after they saw him play in the game in Ballarat

 

[13Beast]

Next year's draft is apparently going to be one of the compromised in history. I'd be trying to maneuver out of next year's draft and into this one as much as possible.
Attempting to package picks + players that actually have some modicum of value (Lewy and Cutler) would be the plan - and targeting teams that require pick upgrades/extra picks, or whom may be willing to downgrade picks.

Cutler has indicated a return to Victoria - Geelong (14 & 17), St.Kilda (12 & 18) both Melb clubs and both with multiple picks that should be spoken to.
Sydney like Lewy. Former Rising Star, you'd think he'd have some value.

I'd be looking at something like -

(IF SYDNEY ACQUIRES #9 in PAPLEY DEAL)
Cutler & #21 + future 3rd to Geelong for #14
Lewy & #14 & #16 & #34 + future first (roughly 13-16 I would guess) to Sydney for #5, #9 (if Papley deal goes through), #25 (points value work out pretty well when calculated)
#25 to break deadlock with trading for Ah Chee and appease GC (if required)

OUT: Lewy, Cutler, #16, #21, #34, #Future 1st, #Future 3rd
IN: #5, #9, Ah Chee

Leaves us with picks #5, #9, Ah Chee plus sufficient later picks to hopefully cover academy pickups. Could look further to deal with St.K if they are deep into Hill and Freo concrete on demanding two first rounders better than their current lot (#12 & #18) - Perhaps #9 for their #12 + future 2nd could be possible.

OR IF SYDNEY DOES NOT GET #9 FOR PAPLEY

Cutler & #21 + future 3rd to Geelong for #14
Lewy & #14 + future 1st for #5 & #25. This leaves us with #16 to still take to the draft - or on-trade elsewhere
#25 to break deadlock with trading for Ah Chee and appease GC (if required)
OUT: Lewy, Cutler, #21, #Future 1st, #Future 3rd
IN: #5, Ah Chee

Leaves us with picks #5, #16, Ah Chee plus sufficient later picks to hopefully cover academy pickups.

Either trade with the Swans leaves Sydney in a workable position to continue making a play for Daniher (and paying fair value to the Dons) yet having benefited from picks (and a future 1st) and Lewy.

If neither of these worked out and we wanted to retain picks, I'd still be shopping Cutler to the Cats and/or St.Kilda -

For example with St.Kilda -
Cutler + future 1st for #12.
LEAVING US WITH: #12, #16, #21. Could approach Sydney or Carlton to split their higher picks, us moving much higher up the draft and provide them with the ability to chase their targets.

Geelong;
Cutler + #21 for #14. OR, Cutler + #21 + future 1st for #14 & #17.
LEAVING US WITH: #14, #16 OR ALTERNATIVELY #14, #16, #17 (but losing next year's #first).
Go straight to Carlton or Swans (if they still require picks to split for their deals enabling us to move higher up the draft) and manufacture something there.

 

[Chezz]

Interesting take Dianod. Bonar has got a few deficiencies I agree. That being said every 20yr old in the comp has deficiencies. To me, he has all the attributes to be a really good player. Big bodied, great break away speed, fast hands. Clearly not going to get a good run with the giants. I don't see him as a cast off like some of the others you mentioned. I'd definitely give up pick 21 and see what happens. He was a very high pick a couple of years ago and this looks a week draft anyway.

 

[lions27]

Hoping Robertson stays, unlikely though I reckon as he would be a great get for Freo.

 

[BangyBangy]

I haven't been across all the trades news. Just from what I was seeing, I thought that both the Saints & Dockers were being difficult when it came to the Hill trade.

St Kilda was offering pick 6 & 2020 second rounder. I would've thought that wasn't too far from the mark at all. Actually a pretty good deal to be honest.

Fremantle (Read - Peter Bell) is certainly getting a reputation of being a bit of a tool to deal with atm.

Considering going back a few years Hawthorn let Hill be traded to Freo on family humanitarian grounds for pick 23.

 

[Fagenslions36]

Play hardball will bellend and demand their pick 12 haha

 

[jackess]

I haven't been across all the trades news. Just from what I was seeing, I thought that both the Saints & Dockers were being difficult when it came to the Hill trade.

St Kilda was offering pick 6 & 2020 second rounder. I would've thought that wasn't too far from the mark at all. Actually a pretty good deal to be honest.

Fremantle (Read - Peter Bell) is certainly getting a reputation of being a bit of a tool to deal with atm.

Considering going back a few years Hawthorn let Hill be traded to Freo on family humanitarian grounds for pick 23.

Hill is good but pick 6 by itself is overs.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Freo don’t know their place.