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Carnthedockers said:
I find it interesting mark dufffield thinks hogan will still be at freo. He’s normally very reliable when it comes to the Perth sides. God I hope so.
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And what’s interesting about that is his nephew? Paul, just got married with a heap of past & present Dockers attending. You would think Mark would have been there too.
Im sure he would have talked shop with a few of the players to be able to form an opinion.
 
Bring back Drum said:
And what’s interesting about that is his nephew? Paul, just got married with a heap of past & present Dockers attending. You would think Mark would have been there too.
Im sure he would have talked shop with a few of the players to be able to form an opinion.
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I found it interesting that fyfe came out and said we will back jessie. Surely he wouldn't say that otherwise.
 
arsesmart said:
It'd be a bit of a weird thing for North to go after Walters so strongly, given they're shedding older players left right and centre and seem pretty much gearing up for a rebuild of epic proportions. Mind you the reports of them getting rid of Scott after he suggested they might go for a rebuild, would be consistent with them being highly rebuild-adverse.

But on your Hogan point, agree given the rocky start here, it has reduced the goodwill he has, which might be topped-up (somewhat) at a new club giving him a buffer for any mishaps of any kind (don't know about the extra cash, probably be incentivised).

I reckon pick 2 would be a stretch though.
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Pick #2 is for Michael Walters being offered a long term big money deal.
 

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Taylor said:
Pick #2 is for Michael Walters being offered a long term big money deal.
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Makes no sense to either team but sure. As likely as us getting pick 3 for Hogan.
 
Do people here trust Jay Clark at all? He just said in a chat over at the Herald Sun that Dockers main priorities this off season are Jordan Clark and a big bodied clearance winner to help the young mids. Assume that means we are preparing to play Fyfe mostly forward in 2021?
 
Carnthedockers said:
I find it interesting mark dufffield thinks hogan will still be at freo. He’s normally very reliable when it comes to the Perth sides. God I hope so.
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Well he's not doing his job right then. He's not going to get many clicks providing sober realistic assessment of the likely outcome. I'm sure his editor will be having a word.
 
Runner159 said:
Do people here trust Jay Clark at all? He just said in a chat over at the Herald Sun that Dockers main priorities this off season are Jordan Clark and a big bodied clearance winner to help the young mids. Assume that means we are preparing to play Fyfe mostly forward in 2021?
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wouldn't say he's the best source going around on us, none at the HS have much of a track record when it comes to knowing whats happening with Freo
 
arsesmart said:
Ooh there's a bite. It's just there seemed to be some extrapolating in your post there, which is fine, but if you don't want to be challenged on it you're also probably in the wrong place. I'd say the evidence is if Bell didn't want to do that trade he could've pulled out (his mid-trade baulking seemed very much a negotiating gambit given the careful wording).

Also feel free to specify the posts where I've placed emotion in front of observation and/or logic and we can address that with some substance maybe.
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I don't know.

How about the idea that Jesse has been "pretty good" on field so far or delivered as expected? That was one of my favourites. Or what about your over reliance on that it's simply about a a good preseason and this is the main factor why he's in this situation? Both of those are crackers in my opinion. Both ignore all the issues present that you would like to ignore. They are just not based on what is observable. I would say significant extrapolating from carefully selected data at best.

I also enjoyed you using sensationalist language accusing people of being part of a "purity cult" if they questioned anything Jesse has done.

So yeah, no biases or made up stuff in your posts. Just quality work worthy of a peer reviewed journal :drunk:
 
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raffrox said:
To me it's pretty clear that Ross and Bell didn't want Hogan.

Bell literally tried to get out of negotiations. Ross as recently as the last week or so offered little support to someone picking up Jesse.

I completely agree that this is the transition point from the old regime to the new. Bell is the link to those times and will wear some of the responsibility but I don't see him wearing this as much as Rosich.
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Makes sense if you think Bell's influence on running the club began when he got the job, but makes less sense when you remember he was a Board member.
 
theGav56 said:
Makes sense if you think Bell's influence on running the club began when he got the job, but makes less sense when you remember he was a Board member.
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Far call. Like I said i think he deserves to wear some of the responsibility as the outcome hasn't been what anyone (including Jesse) would have wanted.

It's not enough for me to doubt him as much as some do currently but of course its very subjective.
 

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mayne iac said:
Matt Rendell said Hogan to GWS is a definite
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Look, this might end up being true but the guy spouts off absolutely everything he's heard without any filter. He's already gotten several things wrong
 
Runner159 said:
Do people here trust Jay Clark at all? He just said in a chat over at the Herald Sun that Dockers main priorities this off season are Jordan Clark and a big bodied clearance winner to help the young mids. Assume that means we are preparing to play Fyfe mostly forward in 2021?
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The only reporter worth listening to is Mark Duffield. Mark Duffield is the greatest journalist of all time, and if more posters on here shared Mark Duffield's enthusiasm for truth and justice, then our only limit would be the celestial heavens.
 
Purple_Turtle said:
Probably worth disregarding until we have a better source.
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Rendell so far has said
1) Cox to bulldogs - immediately shot down by another journalist
2) Adeliade sacked their draft analyst, said draft analyst came out on twitter saying he was still at Adelaide and going no where

Tha's just off the top of my head.

Dude has no filter at the best of times and has no media training so he just spouts off everything and anything he hears
 

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Saw this a while ago. Really rate the advice, but with regards to trade rumours:

When to trust information

There’s a simple way to filter out most of what you read, if you want to do so. We can do it without naming names, too:


  • Think of media figures you don’t trust, or you’ve seen get obvious things wrong before. Got names in your head? Good. They don’t exist for the next two weeks. If you see something with their name attached to it, keep scrolling right past it or close the tab.
  • Think of media figures who you do trust, or who haven’t been wrong with news recently. Those are the people you focus on. Put alerts on their tweets, pay attention to what they’re saying. This is all that matters.

Instantly you’ve wiped out a significant portion of the coverage and the people who do the best work gain your views – as it should be.
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MadMundy said:
Are people seriously saying they'd trade Walters? I don't care if we get offered the top 3 picks in the draft for him, I wouldn't trade him.
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I don't want to trade him but I expect that his manager has seen that the Dockers are freeing up salary cap space next season and would like to have his client get a piece of it. If another club is offering a lot more money per year for Walters, especially if they aren't paying anyone else big money and can front Walters $1,500,000 in the first year from dropping Higgins and Brown, then he needs to go after that because we can't afford to pay that.

But if that sort of offer is being made then we would ask for both their first round picks.
 
raffrox said:
Far call. Like I said i think he deserves to wear some of the responsibility as the outcome hasn't been what anyone (including Jesse) would have wanted.

It's not enough for me to doubt him as much as some do currently but of course its very subjective.
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If Hogan was a raging success I doubt if any of the accolade would find its way beyond the incumbent.

Bell oversaw the S&C since his appointment and likely as a Board member also had input to most things football. But it is in his time that the S&C were reviewed and nothing changed (and the option to change the coach taken making other changes financially unviable). This year change has come to that department but it is a little late and reeks of being a reactionary rather than proactive move.

In trade negotiation he would have been under Rosich, and I have no doubt Lyon would have input, but it is his department. Feathers in caps are great, and I am a Bell supporter, but his performance isn't A grade. Could do better, and begins with taking responsibility for actions.
 
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