List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[TENACIOUS]

Nah, give them 18, take 16 to the draft.

If Oliver, Merrett or Kelly are available they would be my first choice if they fit in our salary cap..

If NOT..
GWS - Pick 7 and Pick 27
Carlton - Clarke and Saad
Geelong - Cameron
Essendon - Pick 16

Edit:
With watching Williams and now Cameron leave GWS, because of Salary Cap constraints.
Think we dodged a bullet with Coniglio, his salary and Captain demands have ripped the soul and culture out of their club..

We should follow the Geelong model, Cripps should be our highest paid player and paid under $1mil..
No more god father offers just to land a big name.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Due to COVID the games were a lot shorter this year.
May be back to normal next year, who knows?
Reduced game time was a reaction and not the AFLs plan.

Big bodies might struggle to run out games in the future but, who know what 2021 will look like. Our boys need to build up but keep tanks. Keeping games closer this year shows growth and an ability to run out games. Build strength and skills (hit a bloody target with bombs away) and we are all good!

 

[BigBreakfast]

Kemp is damn exciting but he is nowhere near that big of a talent.

Who knows? Oliver was a mystery, so is Kemp. Projected top 3 before injury. Give the kid a crack. Could be anything...

 

[katmanblue]

It would want to be a 3 club trade kind of a deal, in which Melbourne end up with one of the KPF's on offer comp wide.

Brown and our 2021 second to Melbourne, picks 7 to Nth, Oliver to Carlton could be workable, give or take a few things in any direction. Overs to North for an uncontracted player, but you've got to bring them to the table somehow and try to get them to talk Brown into it.

I'd be sending Nth's 2nd to Melb instead of ours.

Brown isn't worth 7. He's barely worth a 2nd now that Nth have publicly told him to leave.

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[Arr0w]

Kemp is damn exciting but he is nowhere near that big of a talent.

Kemp may not be as good as Oliver as a straight out extractor, but unlike Oliver can play a number of roles and play them very well

 

[Blueballs38]

Do you think that equates to being cooked?
Our captain handballs way more than he kicks and I’ve never thought of it as a thing to discredit his game.

You’re right, Treloar goes at 60% efficiency, he also goes at over 110M gained more per game and with a difference of 0.9 possession difference between contested and uncontested it isn’t like he’s a outside player.

Anyway these are reasons why you choose to value a player the way you do, none of what you stated or his output this season shows that he is COOKED

He is 28 and has missed a heap of games in his career due to his hammies. 7 out of 17 games this year!

Those hammies are not going to miraculously improve as he gets into his early 30s.

DO NOT WANT

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Who knows? Oliver was a mystery, so is Kemp. Projected top 3 before injury. Give the kid a crack. Could be anything...

Kemp may not be as good as Oliver as a straight out extractor, but unlike Oliver can play a number of roles and play them very well

He could be a star but to suggest that he is some sort of rare talent I think is abit of an exaggeration. He has done zero since he was drafted, when he was overlooked 16 times and we were willing to take a chance on missing him. Compare him to someone like Bonar who was in a very similar position, Stringer also yet taken much higher. Burton was probably taken in the same range. He has plenty of question marks as a player and if he didn’t he would’ve went much higher then he did even with his injury.

I think he is an unbelievably exciting player but to compare him to Oliver when he hasn’t proven a thing since being drafted I think is abit silly.

 

[RAPPA]

Kemp may not be as good as Oliver as a straight out extractor, but unlike Oliver can play a number of roles and play them very well

Kemp has not played any AFL footy and going off junior footy is not reliable. I hope the kid becomes a gun but atm it is pure speculation as to what he can actually bring until we see him on game day. With Oliver - he already has an established body of work for us to analyse.

 

[GeoCoulthard]

He has done zero since he was drafted, when he was overlooked 16 times

Sorry, but he hasn't done anything since he was drafted because he is recovering from the very same injury that ensured he was overlooked at the very pointy end of the draft. Most clubs want some instant "bang for buck" at the top end of the draft so it is quite reasonable to pick a healthy player over one with a 12 month injury.

We don't know whether Kemp will be a worldbeater but don't criticise his not playing since he was drafted as a negative. Like all draftees he hasn't been tested in the heat of battle but we can still have realistic very high hopes for him.

My original point was that we should not be thinking of shuffling him off to another club even if the return is a good, proven player. There are many other alternatives to land that other player without selling off a player with a high potential to be a long-term quality player.

 

[Arr0w]

He could be a star but to suggest that he is some sort of rare talent I think is abit of an exaggeration. He has done zero since he was drafted, when he was overlooked 16 times and we were willing to take a chance on missing him. Compare him to someone like Bonar who was in a very similar position, Stringer also yet taken much higher. Burton was probably taken in the same range. He has plenty of question marks as a player and if he didn’t he would’ve went much higher then he did even with his injury.

I think he is an unbelievably exciting player but to compare him to Oliver when he hasn’t proven a thing since being drafted I think is abit silly.

Not comparing him to Oliver at all, I just wouldn't include him in a trade scenario to acquire an inside mid

 

[murphster]

Is anyone worried about Cameron wanting to go to Geelong. I feel it may effect Williams coming to us. And also could we get player like Clark out of the cats, if Cameron gets there.

Won’t effect the Williams situation but could effect any deal we might have in mind for splitting our 7 pick, whether positively or negatively is yet to be seen, hope if we do try and split with Cats we now try and work Narkle in to the deal somehow.

 

[murphster]

He could be a star but to suggest that he is some sort of rare talent I think is abit of an exaggeration. He has done zero since he was drafted, when he was overlooked 16 times and we were willing to take a chance on missing him. Compare him to someone like Bonar who was in a very similar position, Stringer also yet taken much higher. Burton was probably taken in the same range. He has plenty of question marks as a player and if he didn’t he would’ve went much higher then he did even with his injury.

I think he is an unbelievably exciting player but to compare him to Oliver when he hasn’t proven a thing since being drafted I think is abit silly.

You could have said the same about Dangerfield 12 months into his career and look how that turned out, no way we trade Kemp he has way to much upside in numerous positions.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Sorry, but he hasn't done anything since he was drafted because he is recovering from the very same injury that ensured he was overlooked at the very pointy end of the draft. Most clubs want some instant "bang for buck" at the top end of the draft so it is quite reasonable to pick a healthy player over one with a 12 month injury.

We don't know whether Kemp will be a worldbeater but don't criticise his not playing since he was drafted as a negative. Like all draftees he hasn't been tested in the heat of battle but we can still have realistic very high hopes for him.

My original point was that we should not be thinking of shuffling him off to another club even if the return is a good, proven player. There are many other alternatives to land that other player without selling off a player with a high potential to be a long-term quality player.

You are taking that out of context. I was saying I don’t he was as highly regarded as many seem to think. Over half of the guys taken ahead of him, very few teams would’ve expected much if anything out of this season.
his value no doubt dropped because of his knee but that has nothing to do with the short term.

I would do everything to hold onto him too because he would only make up probably half of the cost of someone like Oliver, I’d be just or more worried about the other half of the cost.

 

[iAsbestos]

I wouldn't. Kemp could be anything. Unless he was exclusively a SOS pick, I don't think we recruited him knowing he'd be out for a year and then trade him out sight unseen.

Oliver is proven while Kemp isn't.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

You could have said the same about Dangerfield 12 months into his career and look how that turned out, no way we trade Kemp he has way to much upside in numerous positions.

Dangerfield was still going to school in a different state 12 months into his career.
Yes he has a huge ceiling I’m not disputing that, I love him as a prospect. Every year though heaps of players come in with huge ceilings yet there is only probably two other players in the league who are close to Dangers ability. Comparing his potential to someone like Oliver And it actually happening might come to fruition 1 in 10 times.

 

[iAsbestos]

Anyone else think we could trade Pick 7 with Geelong for 16 and Narkle. Then on trade 16 to * for Saad?

Can grab Narkle for a third rounder.

 

[iAsbestos]

Nah, give them 18, take 16 to the draft.

Got plenty of kids no more early draft picks needed.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

How about:

Carlton In: 19 and Geelong's future 1st rounder
Carlton Out: 7 and 45

Trade pick 19 for Saad.

Gives us more currency for next years trade period should we not bring in another player

I like this a lot, although we will still need to take at least 3 picks in the draft so want at least 1 pick inside the first 20, or we are just taking list cloggers we 'hope' come good.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Not sure this is the right place for this, but seems related to me.
With list size and cap size looking to be reviewed/reduced next year, would now be the perfect time for the AFL to reconsider the TPP floor of 95%?
Personally, I think being forced to pay between 95-100% for every club is a bit restrictive. The difference between$12.35m and $13m spread over 40 odd players is just too small of a margin, especially for lower clubs and rebuilding.
A floor of 80% would give much more flexibility. They could still cap the overspend at 105%.
Based on a cap of $13m, that would be a minimum spend of $10.4m and an overspend cap of $13.65m for those who have banked for a couple years.
Gives a rebuilding club the chance to spend an extra $3.25m per year for a couple of years and chase a few targets.
Or enough wriggle room to offer significant overs to entice a Cameron type player away from the likes the Geelongs (absolute joke if they can afford him).

 

[true blue19]

The Cameron trade should allow us to trade with Cats to trade pick 7 for 16 & 18..
16 for Saad, 18 to the draft.

Just an FYI Geelong have picks 11, 13 and 18 or 19

 

[Jeremias]

Can grab Narkle for a third rounder.

We may be able to grab him as a DFA.

 

[katmanblue]

Not sure this is the right place for this, but seems related to me.
With list size and cap size looking to be reviewed/reduced next year, would now be the perfect time for the AFL to reconsider the TPP floor of 95%?
Personally, I think being forced to pay between 95-100% for every club is a bit restrictive. The difference between$12.35m and $13m spread over 40 odd players is just too small of a margin, especially for lower clubs and rebuilding.
A floor of 80% would give much more flexibility. They could still cap the overspend at 105%.
Based on a cap of $13m, that would be a minimum spend of $10.4m and an overspend cap of $13.65m for those who have banked for a couple years.
Gives a rebuilding club the chance to spend an extra $3.25m per year for a couple of years and chase a few targets.
Or enough wriggle room to offer significant overs to entice a Cameron type player away from the likes the Geelongs (absolute joke if they can afford him).

I was thinking 90 + 110.

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[HARKER]

Assuming we don't get the 'hero' player and can't reel in someone like Higgins -

I still like the idea of trading that #7 for two first rounders and all being well, trade one for Saad and take the other to the draft and endeavour to trade it for a future first, if what we rate high wasn't available for us. We should not simply take the best available player, if the type isn't required.
That would have us holding two firsts next year, along with targeting the right Free Agent.

That just seems to make for a very smart and restrained approach for us.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Not sure this is the right place for this, but seems related to me.
With list size and cap size looking to be reviewed/reduced next year, would now be the perfect time for the AFL to reconsider the TPP floor of 95%?
Personally, I think being forced to pay between 95-100% for every club is a bit restrictive. The difference between$12.35m and $13m spread over 40 odd players is just too small of a margin, especially for lower clubs and rebuilding.
A floor of 80% would give much more flexibility. They could still cap the overspend at 105%.
Based on a cap of $13m, that would be a minimum spend of $10.4m and an overspend cap of $13.65m for those who have banked for a couple years.
Gives a rebuilding club the chance to spend an extra $3.25m per year for a couple of years and chase a few targets.
Or enough wriggle room to offer significant overs to entice a Cameron type player away from the likes the Geelongs (absolute joke if they can afford him).

Unions are all about making their reps money. They players union is not going to let a cap floor lowering happen easily.

 

[Gethelred]

I'd be sending Nth's 2nd to Melb instead of ours.

Brown isn't worth 7. He's barely worth a 2nd now that Nth have publicly told him to leave.

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Sure. You've still got to make it attractive to bring both to the table, and I'm not sure that Nth would go for it if they're out a second. They're going to need each and every pick they have at present within the first 2 rounds.