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We would command a top 10 pick blue healer because Docherty is an All Australian HBF.

Saad has never been selected in the AA Squad of 22.

Different calibre of player.
 
We currently have 32 contracted with Gibbons being promoted for the senior list. Supposedly to be 38 + 4 (which we 2 rookies in Honey & Cottrell on the books, with Phillips & Moore on standby). Cat B in Owies should be able to go again.
Kennedy rumoured to be close to signing for 1yr would = 33 + ZW & Saad & if Fogarty (36) gets a gig, that’s curtains for +Polson & +Macreadie for seniors unless anyone else is moved on (Stocker, LOB or Jack the only names mentioned).
+ a) potentially placed on the rookie list. b) VFL team players for possible mid-season draft if form warrants

KPP stocks are of concern. Moore is not an answer.

Small forward/s still to be targeted (draft) & will we aim for H. Walsh to fill any developing ruckman role.
 
THE_GUN said:
Not too sure if the Blues have any interest in Jayden Stephenson or not but if they do #8 for Stephenson +#16
I think this would be extremely tempting for the Pies with their academy kid looking like a top 20 pick and their #16 will be could be #18/19 with the bids

Toss #16+#45 to DoDo as a take or leave it deal and just tell him if its no you will be using that pick to get saad in the november draft
He will have no choice and the entire football community will be laughing their backside off at his stupidity if that did occur and Carlton will come out like saints for using that pic in the draft to take him.
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A few of us have been suggesting this sort of thing for the last 2 weeks, trading with either Cats, Lions, Pies, Dogs, etc and either Stephenson/Higgins/etc.

Don't think it happens though, I think Ess take the 28 from Port and we go 8 for Saad and 28, then use 28 for a Fogarty or Constable or someone. Would have preferred the other option but will begrudgingly accept the second option if the player coming in is definitely talented and hard-working.
 

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J-dog said:
A few of us have been suggesting this sort of thing for the last 2 weeks, trading with either Cats, Lions, Pies, Dogs, etc and either Stephenson/Higgins/etc.

Don't think it happens though, I think Ess take the 28 from Port and we go 8 for Saad and 28, then use 28 for a Fogarty or Constable or someone. Would have preferred the other option but will begrudgingly accept the second option if the player coming in is definitely talented and hard-working.
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Thats not looking like the case if the media re to be believed

Carlton have offered #8 for Saad+#45 but DoDo has knocked that back so #28 wont be in the trade if #45 has been tossed
 
That's just even more disappointing.
Not very happy with how Austin is handling this so far, I feel we are over-spending and a pushover in trading, he better hope he can bring in a decent role player in another trade or we are looking at another crap list manager that sends us back to the doldrums.
Hope like hell he's not Hughes 2.0
 
If we retain pick 8, I believe we will be taking it to the draft KohPhi.

The big names moving clubs would be out in the public by now.

Even if we move up the ladder, our future first is more valuable than pick 8 this year.

It's like comparing the 2017 draft vs the 2018 draft. You're more likely to draft a quality player a few spots further back in the stronger draft than a higher selection in the weaker draft.

Also, there will be exposed form next year.
 
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How the f*** is anyone not happy with Austin? He hasn’t done anything yet. He’s dealing with that f****** clown, all the media information is clearly not coming from our camp, yet somehow from that people decide that Austin is doing a s*** job?
FFS some need to get a f****** grip and chill the f*** out
 
THE_GUN said:
Thats not looking like the case if the media re to be believed

Carlton have offered #8 for Saad+#45 but DoDo has knocked that back so #28 wont be in the trade if #45 has been tossed
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Can you show me where Carlton have publicly stated they have offered pick 8 for an out of contract HBF?
 
CJMB said:
How the f*** is anyone not happy with Austin? He hasn’t done anything yet. He’s dealing with that f****** clown, all the media information is clearly not coming from our camp, yet somehow from that people decide that Austin is doing a s*** job?
FFS some need to get a f****** grip and chill the f*** out
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It's funny how we get caught up in hype around picks in the Saad trade. The reality is even at the top end, good talent can come in clusters. As too does overrated talent.

Lets take a look at the 2015 draft as an example:

Batch 1
Pick 5: Darcy Parish (average player)
Pick 6: Aaron Francis (average player)
Pick 7: Jacob Hopper (very good player)
Pick 8: Callum Ah Chee (average player)

Now lets take a look at the draft selections following the above:

Batch 2
Pick 9: Sam Weideman (very good player)
Pick 10: Harry McKay (looks the goods)
Pick 11: Wayne Milera (great player)
Pick 12: Charlie Curnow (potential superstar if he can remain fit)

If someone gave me an option, I'd be taking the players drafted with batch 2 over batch 1.

The draft is a bit of a lottery and sometimes it pays to come in a bit later and grab the player with less runs on the board but more upside. Maybe that's what we're trying to do this year.

You're right. We're probably are getting worked up over nothing. We should wait and see how this plays out.
 
Aphrodite said:
Can you show me where Carlton have publicly stated they have offered pick 8 for an out of contract HBF?
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I cant show you where Carlton have offered that but can only go by what was said on SEN/Trade Radio that Carlton have offered up pick #8 with #45 coming back but Essendon knocked that back and want #8 straight out.

Was also reported on chanel 9 news today that the 2 parties have agreed over the weekend for pick #8 with a change of later picks that would involve a 3rd club (not sure if they are correct or not butthey all seem to be going the same path)
 

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Regardless of whether we back ourselves to rise up the ladder Red Bull, trading our future first will hinder our movements at the trade table next year.

My argument for going to the draft this year has always been based on the fact that we need another 12 months to assess our list before we can say with certainty where we need to spend our money for the final big fish.

Trading our 2021 first means we'll only have 1 x first rounder, which won't be enough to get the trades we want over the line.
 
Doro said:
The Lions sound keen on upgrading 18 & 19 for an earlier pick. Set a deadline for Monday lunch time to see if the Bombers follow through on their offer for 7, if not pull the trigger on 8. Gives us a day and a half to finalise the Sand deal. All bluster from Dodo, they won't want to downgrade.
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Yes after he swap there pick with dodo we swap with GWS or geelong he stuck only one top ten pick 👍🏻
 
Eiffel 65 said:
It's funny how we get caught up in hype around picks in the Saad trade. The reality is even at the top end, good talent can come in clusters. As too does overrated talent.

Lets take a look at the 2015 draft as an example:

Batch 1
Pick 5: Darcy Parish (average player)
Pick 6: Aaron Francis (average player)
Pick 7: Jacob Hopper (very good player)
Pick 8: Callum Ah Chee (average player)

Now lets take a look at the draft selections following the above:

Batch 2
Pick 9: Sam Weideman (very good player)
Pick 10: Harry McKay (looks the goods)
Pick 11: Wayne Milera (great player)
Pick 12: Charlie Curnow (potential superstar if he can remain fit)

If someone gave me an option, I'd be taking the players drafted with batch 2 over batch 1.

The draft is a bit of a lottery and sometimes it pays to come in a bit later and grab the player with less runs on the board but more upside. Maybe that's what we're trying to do this year.

You're right. We're probably are getting worked up over nothing. We should wait and see how this plays out.
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Are we watching the same Milera and Weideman?
 
Eiffel 65 said:
It's funny how we get caught up in hype around picks in the Saad trade. The reality is even at the top end, good talent can come in clusters. As too does overrated talent.

Lets take a look at the 2015 draft as an example:

Batch 1
Pick 5: Darcy Parish (average player)
Pick 6: Aaron Francis (average player)
Pick 7: Jacob Hopper (very good player)
Pick 8: Callum Ah Chee (average player)

Now lets take a look at the draft selections following the above:

Batch 2
Pick 9: Sam Weideman (very good player)
Pick 10: Harry McKay (looks the goods)
Pick 11: Wayne Milera (great player)
Pick 12: Charlie Curnow (potential superstar if he can remain fit)

If someone gave me an option, I'd be taking the players drafted with batch 2 over batch 1.

The draft is a bit of a lottery and sometimes it pays to come in a bit later and grab the player with less runs on the board but more upside. Maybe that's what we're trying to do this year.

You're right. We're probably are getting worked up over nothing. We should wait and see how this plays out.
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I get where your coming from Eif with the quality hits and misses that can eventuate from your examples, I’d say most of those selections would vary a lot if you were to give all of the clubs list managers/national recruiting officers all the same selections to pick from, so in a sense it’s for me the quality of the better recruiters than it is the actual draft numbers, some kids pick themselves most are picked up by the astute judges...
 
Fogarty is starting to give me Darcy Lang vibes swuzzlebubble. Injury prone and Geelong fans don't seem too worried about his impending departure.

If we take him, he'll have to find a way to break into our midfield too. Not convinced he'll be able to do this.
 
Thinking about this years draft and the overflow of academy prospects and how that will affect the draft order.

Using Cal Twomey's rankings (just as a quick guide ) for where bids come:

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (Bid @ 1) - 3000 points. Discount sets it to 2400

WB's 14, 41, 54 (total 1813 points)

Dogs absolutely need more value in this years draft.

Braeden Campbell (Bid @ 6) - 1751 points. Discount sets it to 1401

Syd's 25, 58, 62 (Total: 1049)

Sydney needs more points as well

Alex Davies (Bid @ 14) - 1161 points. Discount sets it to 929

GC's 27, 76 ( Total: 703)

GC also need picks

Errol Gulden ( Bid @ 22) - 845 points. Discount sets it to 676

Syd's 25, 58, 62 (Total: 1049)

Sydney is either going to lose these prospects or needs to trade in picks

I reckon all of these clubs go hard to trade into the 2nd/3rd round
 
Eiffel 65 said:
We would command a top 10 pick blue healer because Docherty is an All Australian HBF.

Saad has never been selected in the AA Squad of 22.

Different calibre of player.
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A top 10 pick for an out of contract half back who turns 28 next year and has already had two knee reconstructions? And some are saying they will tear up their membership if we offer pock 8 for Saad.

Different calibre of player? Yes if you are going off 4 year old form, not if you’re going off the last 3 seasons
 
So, let me get this right, we aren't getting any real help for Crippa on the inside ?
Williams doesn't really count as a full time ball winner.
 
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