Sorry Coons, but the qualification of a CatB rookie is that the kid hasn’t played Aussie rules for at least the last 3 previous years of being eligible to be drafted...
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That is why I mentioned that hadn't played for East Freo, despite being registered for last two years. Unlikely played in Northampton either as at boarding school. Wondering if school footy counts in the not played category? Add another year of technically "not playing" and it maybe becomes a possibility.
I’d presume any footy at any level..
First mentioned in passing as a prospective young ruck. Reported that had spent some time with Kreuze being mentored to that end. While taller than our own Crippa, last report had him 198cm, saw one snippet that he was more mobile. My "fixation" is based on genetics and the search for a bargain, we are not getting any more top 10 draft pics any time soon unless we trade something special out. Highly regarded talls are going to be a challenge to obtain.
Was elected/appointed captain and touted to play key forward in the WAFL colts, interestingly beside Logan McDonald. If he was true to the genetics of his "big" brother, he would have to have some growth in him as yet. My "dream" is for him to realise the potential he has shown and provide that second ruck option to
partner TDK in a few years as well as offering a twin towers arrangement with Harry up forward. The other possibility is also needs based, could he become a
KPD to offer progression from Liam Jones in a couple of years?
I know my thoughts may be a bit fanciful and it is a big step from school footy to AFL regular, but there are plenty of markers suggesting he would make it. I
vaguely remember one clip a couple of years back during the off season with Crippa when asked about his local status, he said something like "it is all about Joshie now".
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There's a vacancy in the list for a developing KPP at either end, and we probably need someone with ruck chops as well. We need to start looking at contingencies up forward, in case Charlie's knee doesn't recover fully or he continues to be injury plagued but up to it when selected, as well as a succession plan for both Jones and Casboult.
He sounds speculative, but we need to find one or two players, and you're right that we shouldn't be getting any top 10 picks any time soon.
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That would be my interpretation as well.
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I'd rather we steer clear of any relative of a player who falls outside, say, the third round.
Genuine prospects with a solid formline and the right traits to carry them through - sure.
Ultra-raw prospects with major question marks on any of their ability or fitness or dedication...just don't do it. Doesn't matter if it's only a late pick or a Cat B spot, as we've seen with BSOS there are potential challenges to overcome (or pay the consequences of) when it comes time to delist such a player.
If Josh Cripps is good enough, then he can work his arse off the next few years in state league footy, build some form, and we can pick him up if he shows he's got what it takes. If someone else takes a chance on him - use the connection in 5 years if he develops well enough to lure him over. Otherwise, we'd be overlooking dozens of more credentialed ruck prospects for the sake of his surname, which is not how we should be approaching list management. Even more so for a ruckman than any other position - you're only ever playing 2-3 of them on any given weekend, if we end up with 5 on the list then it'll be the Josh Cripps type who ends up being shoehorned into a KPP role and his development will suffer for it.
So the post(s) about some potential chance of adding a quality young player for "nothing" brings on a rant over giving him a chance over "dozens of more credentialed ruck prospects". Wow.
The young fella is a potential direct replacement for Casboult across multiple positions. His best fit would not be known for a couple of years. As I have stated in earlier posts preferred captain at Aquinas College in front of McDonald, O'Driscoll, Carroll etc, yeah must be an (paraphrase) ultra-raw prospect with major question marks of ability or dedication. Given his ACL, I will give you the fitness angle.
Conversation is fairly limited at the moment, and this.
A quality young tall who is related to our skipper with unprecedented work ethic is not worth a Cat B spot which would otherwise go begging. Be assured the Eagles and Freo are tracking this kid closely as I am sure we are. The idea of getting a kid for "unders" appeals greatly to me. Academy and NGA kids are being put directly on as Cat B rookies across the competition, sorry for the suggestion that it may be possible to "milk" the system.
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Sometimes I just have to like a post for the way it is put together.
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Since when was sharing an opinion considered a "rant"?
Assuming that because Patty has a great work ethic that his brother will too is a bit of a leap. Plenty of examples of elite players with ordinary siblings.
If Josh is worth a spot on his own merit, I can see value. But for mine that would mean he should be assessed as somewhere in the 1st to 3rd round pick range. Pick a relative if they're a strong chance of making the grade, not if they're a better than even chance of being delisted within a few years.
Would it not be fair to say that there would be dozens of ruckmen across the country who have shown more than him to date? Would targeting him for his name over those players not make you a little uneasy about the integrity of our recruitment strategy.
I'm by no means saying that you're categorically wrong, I don't know enough about Josh to nake a fair assessment of him. Purely sharing my views on the strategy of recruiting relatives. It's great when it works, but if you have to make a hard call on one down the line you run the risk of burning the other. Seems safer to let another club invest the development time into him and then get Patty in his ear down the track if he shows good progress.
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Is it assuming? I got the impression from Coona that he'd seen/heard that Josh Cripps has a decent work ethic.
In any case, you don't get picked as a captain if your work ethic is sub par unless you are very good. It's got me questioning a few things; did he go untouched because of the ACL, how was he projecting attribute-wise prior to the injury, etc.
It's this sort of thing in this year that I'd absolutely be swooping on, but then my position as to this draft and the inherent uncertainty around the Victorian draft crop has always been to take advantage of others looking to get out. Take 3-4 speculative picks with genuine x-factor but negligible top age form, and try to pinch players that would've been top 20 or better next year or in an unprejudiced draft.
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We were discussing this in a thread prior to the drafts about potentially picking up a project or mature ruck. Looks like my post may have to become a reality, although we could still lock someone in through the SSP.
"As for the project ruck talks, I'm happy either way on this one. If there is one we see merit in this year, go for it. But if there isn't one, I'd rather just go with what we have rather than commit a two year contract. TDK and Pitto obviously to carry the bulk of it under the latter scenario. Casboult is more than capable if we have some bad luck with injuries, McKay a bit of a break glass in emergency and Liam Jones could probably do some work there if the injury apocalypse happened."
"As for the project ruck talks, I'm happy either way on this one. If there is one we see merit in this year, go for it. But if there isn't one, I'd rather just go with what we have rather than commit a two year contract. TDK and Pitto obviously to carry the bulk of it under the latter scenario. Casboult is more than capable if we have some bad luck with injuries, McKay a bit of a break glass in emergency and Liam Jones could probably do some work there if the injury apocalypse happened."
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Particularly with Charlie's injuries, Levi has been a saviour for us.
Just like Betts, we often tend to forget how influential Casboult was at the start of the year. He kicked 8 in the first 4 games, and was looking almost AA worthy. Scored a further 5 goals in the next 5 matches, but eventually it tapered off pretty quickly once the footy frenzy and condensed fixture arrived.
Assuming he plays more than 9 games this year and scores at least 2 more goals, he will reach the 150 game and goal milestones. That's huge when we consider he was pick 44... in the ROOKIE DRAFT.
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Quite possibly, but he only comes in if one of Weiters/Jones would be injured, which would be on top of injured TDK + Levi (who would normally be the ruck relief). Don't even want to think of that being a scenario, but you are right he is a possible ruck solution.
Both McKay and Jones have been 2nd rucks in the past, averaging across their careers 4.0 and 2.6 ruck contests respectively.
We definitely have options, that's for sure. I'll put my trust into the hands of the coaches to pick the best one for us.
Amen to that - 100% Agree.
He continually pulls our bacon out of the fire and he continually gets undeserved slander. Is in my top 3 players at the club and he bleeds blue.
The guy's service to the club demands more respect.
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In mine every year.
Name the best forward/ruck at each club and Casboult has almost all of them covered ... by a fair margin. Now he has shown that he can play key defence if required he is the best versatile big man in the game.
Never understood the lack of respect for the workload he shoulders each and every year. Guy is a workhorse getting the best out of himself and taking physical punishment to protect others.
Would be one of my first picked every week when fit.
Agree......and also his kicking around the ground has always been much better than in front of goal, because he has more freedom and doesn`t cramp himself mentally like he does when he is closer in. OK he is not the greatest below his knees, but I think playing well in the backline gave him more confidence to play as a utility around the ground, and I thought he deserved more than a one year contract from Carlton after he came fifth in the B&F in 2019........undervalued by too many!!!
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Our depth in that position is rucking thin.... 
Reduction to list sizes hasn't helped with covering depth in all areas. Wouldn't want to take away from any other position to add depth to key defensive or to our rucks. I'm sure all the clubs are concerned with depth in some areas. Give us a couple of extra list spots and I am sure we would fill it with a ruck and a tall defender. We are lucky we have players who can play at both ends and part time it in the ruck like Casboult.
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