2020 US Presidential Nominees

[Brunswick Trap King]

Hillary also 'won' all of the debates against Trump. How did that eventuate?

 

[Crow54]

That just shows he has a crappy server agreement

This joint crashes whenever North Melbourne do something stupid remember

Nah, this site only crashes when thousands of people try to get on. The same would apply to Pete's website. I can't see him having a crappy server agreement. It just couldn't handle the huge amount of traffic all at once.

 

[Crow54]

Hillary also 'won' all of the debates against Trump. How did that eventuate?

Hmmm. Well, she did win the popular vote. But I think Pete's much more savvy than Hillary was regarding electoral votes. He's also learned from her other mistakes. PLUS ... no e-mails.

 

[Madison]

All those outlets are calling Mayor Pete the winner cos they are pushing for establishment candidates. CNN, MSNBC etc undermine and smear Bernie (and Yang and I assume others but I haven't been following them as closely) cos they will change the system. They want corporates like Pete, Harris, Biden etc. It's the exact same as Hillary last time round, they all pretend to be 'left wing' but they just do that so they can push people towards corporate democrats under the guise of progressivism.

 

[Crow54]

All those outlets are calling Mayor Pete the winner cos they are pushing for establishment candidates. CNN, MSNBC etc undermine and smear Bernie (and Yang and I assume others but I haven't been following them as closely) cos they will change the system. They want corporates like Pete, Harris, Biden etc. It's the exact same as Hillary last time round, they all pretend to be 'left wing' but they just do that so they can push people towards corporate democrats under the guise of progressivism.

Actually, I understand that MSNBC hasn't been strong on Pete at all, until this debate. They, plus other main stream media, have been all over Warren as far as I could see. If they're not for Bernie so much, they're being realistic, as I just can't see middle America going for him. I could see a swing of some people who voted for Trump, as opposed to Hillary, towards a realist/progressive like Pete, but doubt they'd go for Bernie.

 

[Chicago1]

Seems like the squad is endorsing Bernie (saw a separate tweet that AOC is doing the same)

And yet another reason not to vote for Bernie.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

All those outlets are calling Mayor Pete the winner cos they are pushing for establishment candidates. CNN, MSNBC etc undermine and smear Bernie (and Yang and I assume others but I haven't been following them as closely) cos they will change the system. They want corporates like Pete, Harris, Biden etc. It's the exact same as Hillary last time round, they all pretend to be 'left wing' but they just do that so they can push people towards corporate democrats under the guise of progressivism.

Actually, I understand that MSNBC hasn't been strong on Pete at all, until this debate. They, plus other main stream media, have been all over Warren as far as I could see. If they're not for Bernie so much, they're being realistic, as I just can't see middle America going for him. I could see a swing of some people who voted for Trump, as opposed to Hillary, towards a realist/progressive like Pete, but doubt they'd go for Bernie.

Fwiw npr spoke as if Warren was the clear winner (primarily due to dominating the speaking time, nearly double her nearest rival)

They said Beit improved from his last effort, Biden was still struggling to not be shouty, and the rest had moments but failed to capitalise.

My gut is we will have steyer, Yang, oRourke, Harris, Gabbard, and one of Booker/Castro heading to the exits now

 

[Steinfreo]

In fact, Pete Buttigieg's such a stuffed shirt, that his website crashed after the debate. I guess a LOT of (more than some?) people like a "pretty crisp persona and image".

Pete Buttigieg's Website Crashes

wait for polls he'll barely move, or have a brief surge then head back to 2-5%. hes the epitomy of a third way nerd. you guys are irrelevant everywhere bare the internet.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

wait for polls he'll barely move, or have a brief surge then head back to 2-5%. hes the epitomy of a third way nerd. you guys are irrelevant everywhere bare the internet.

This is why Iowa and NH are so important.

Right now everything is media, the net, and the debates. This changes for the primaries.

The get out to vote campaign is critical. Candidates without a strong network of community and church based support will not have the bussing arrangements needed to get people to the polls, signage in yards, volunteers to provide food and coffee to those queuing up for hours, and phone call lists to proactively contact democratic supporters on the days leading up.

If your campaign doesn't have this network and infrastructure, you're dead before you start. And with the ticket split, these resources are even more valuable (you only have so many booth captains and local organisers who manage this stuff)

 

[Chicago1]

This is why Iowa and NH are so important.

Right now everything is media, the net, and the debates. This changes for the primaries.

The get out to vote campaign is critical. Candidates without a strong network of community and church based support will not have the bussing arrangements needed to get people to the polls, signage in yards, volunteers to provide food and coffee to those queuing up for hours, and phone call lists to proactively contact democratic supporters on the days leading up.

If your campaign doesn't have this network and infrastructure, you're dead before you start. And with the ticket split, these resources are even more valuable (you only have so many booth captains and local organisers who manage this stuff)

Quite correct. It's a shame too, since Iowa is in no way a reflection of the general population of the US nor is New Hampshire. The ground game in Iowa is so important. I was asked a number of times to travel over to Iowa to help in 2008. Free transport and billeting were included. Going door to door to homes in Iowa in winter encouraging people to attend caucuses would not have been such a pleasant experience. And New Hampshire. Why? Tradition. Stuff that.

Cruz, Trump and Rubio basically tied in Iowa. Hillary and Bernie ended up only .3% apart.
Trump trounced the other candidates in NH and Bernie beat Hillary easily. ( Vermin Supreme came in fourth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme ) LOL


Nevada will be interesting with union influence and the Hispanic population. South Carolia's huge black population will play an important part in the result there. It all boils down to Super Tuesday March 3. The Illinois Primary isn't until two weeks later, March 17. How could they schedule a primary on St Patrick's Day? At least the Chicago voters will probably be sober when they vote. Probably.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

wait for polls he'll barely move, or have a brief surge then head back to 2-5%. hes the epitomy of a third way nerd. you guys are irrelevant everywhere bare the internet.

Amen. Talk about a boring, uninspiring guy.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Quite correct. It's a shame too, since Iowa is in no way a reflection of the general population of the US nor is New Hampshire. The ground game in Iowa is so important. I was asked a number of times to travel over to Iowa to help in 2008. Free transport and billeting were included. Going door to door to homes in Iowa in winter encouraging people to attend caucuses would not have been such a pleasant experience. And New Hampshire. Why? Tradition. Stuff that.

Cruz, Trump and Rubio basically tied in Iowa. Hillary and Bernie ended up only .3% apart.
Trump trounced the other candidates in NH and Bernie beat Hillary easily. ( Vermin Supreme came in fourth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme ) LOL

Nevada will be interesting with union influence and the Hispanic population. South Carolia's huge black population will play an important part in the result there. It all boils down to Super Tuesday March 3. The Illinois Primary isn't until two weeks later, March 17. How could they schedule a primary on St Patrick's Day? At least the Chicago voters will probably be sober when they vote. Probably.

Agree Iowa and NH are not representative of the nation, but the fact they are so big for the ground game (one rural one urban) I think is a good thing.

Retail politics still matters, and there is no point filling stadiums if you can't energize someone to give a shit enough about you to vote in the snow.

Also it still surprises me how many candidates cannot handle one on one unscripted discussions with a punter on the street

These two shake out those candidates who lack these skills, and of course the ability to sustainably fundraise

 

[Chicago1]

I see your points but I still don't like the importance placed on two states that are so unlike the diversity of the US. However, what I like is the unpredictable nature of the vote. Even the winner may not be the real winner.

It will be interesting to see if the Iowa winner gets a bounce for the NH vote.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I see your points but I still don't like the importance placed on two states that are so unlike the diversity of the US. However, what I like is the unpredictable nature of the vote. Even the winner may not be the real winner.

It will be interesting to see if the Iowa winner gets a bounce for the NH vote.

I'm curious to see if we get the caucus/primary split same as we did with sanders/Clinton

If one of the candidates nails the caucuses (which def requires a good ground game), we could see a surprise contender

 

[Crow54]

wait for polls he'll barely move, or have a brief surge then head back to 2-5%. hes the epitomy of a third way nerd. you guys are irrelevant everywhere bare the internet.

Polling in double figures, 4th place, in Iowa. Catching up to, and in some polls, over taken Bernie.

 

[FredLeDeux]

"USA Today called Buttigieg a debate winner, saying that he was ready to take some of his more progressive competitors to task on their policies."

That should rule him out once and for all, but it won't unfortunately.

 

[Crow54]

wait for polls he'll barely move, or have a brief surge then head back to 2-5%. hes the epitomy of a third way nerd. you guys are irrelevant everywhere bare the internet.

Also, what do you mean when you say "you guys"?

 

[happy_eagle]

Also, what do you mean when you say "you guys"?

Maybe he meant to write "you gays" ?

 

[Chicago1]

Maybe he meant to write "you gays" ?

He should have used "y'all".

 

[Bomberboyokay]

I do have an embossed "Thank You" card from Ted Kennedy after the Chappaquiddick incident. I sent him a letter of support after it.

 

[Chicago1]

It looks like the right and the left have finally decided to join forces in this thread! I've brought people together more than Trump/AOC could ever hope for.

 

[Madison]

Actually, I understand that MSNBC hasn't been strong on Pete at all, until this debate. They, plus other main stream media, have been all over Warren as far as I could see. If they're not for Bernie so much, they're being realistic, as I just can't see middle America going for him. I could see a swing of some people who voted for Trump, as opposed to Hillary, towards a realist/progressive like Pete, but doubt they'd go for Bernie.

I'm not sure about MSNBC specifically but the MSM want those corporate dems, and those are Pete, Biden, Harris, Klobuchur etc. Warren is kind of in between Bernie and them. With Bernie and Yang being the outsiders/genuinely progressive candidates and if you watch the 'left wing' media close enough you'll see all kinds of dirty tactics used especially against Bernie. CNN doctored footage of him when they interviewed him to make him look sick when he looked fine after his recent surgery. I watched two independent (progressive) analysis of the debate and neither of them rated mayor Pete, I think one even had him near the bottom. So to hear that MSM is saying he (or any other establishment candidate) did well isn't surprising at all. By all accounts it almost seemed like they were running interference for Warren too.

Except that Bernie's positions are extremely popular with the general public, especially when they don't know they are Bernie's positions. When people are polled about healthcare and tax etc. but it's not tied to labels like 'left', 'progressive', 'socialist' etc then they actually tend to agree with them. It's why the rest of the world has all these things and America is still catching up. Universal healthcare, progressive tax systems, free education (or in our case at least no loans).

If anything the swing away from Trump will go to someone like Bernie. Obviously there's a vast majority of trump voters who would rather die than vote democrat but the swing voters who voted for Obama then for Trump mostly cared about things like jobs and Trump has screwed them over. Yang actually has the highest conversion of Trump voters I heard/read somewhere. And if you watch his youtube vids the comments seem to confirm it.

Either way though, turning Trump voters isn't going to swing the election. The key is to get people to vote who don't normally. They might be able to swing some Trump voters but the best bet is for high voter turnout rather than trying to get Trump voters to vote progressive.

 

[its free real estate]

Buttigieg sucks, lol

 

[Crow54]

Buttigieg sucks, lol

Hardy har har. Poor effort. Do better.

 

[Madison]

Fwiw npr spoke as if Warren was the clear winner (primarily due to dominating the speaking time, nearly double her nearest rival)

They said Beit improved from his last effort, Biden was still struggling to not be shouty, and the rest had moments but failed to capitalise.

My gut is we will have steyer, Yang, oRourke, Harris, Gabbard, and one of Booker/Castro heading to the exits now

Yeah Bernie went half an hour without being asked anything. They are defs trying to set Warren up for the win. I’m a Bernie man myself but Warren would still be a very good candidate so I’m not knocking her, as I think her, Bernie and yang would all be great options and would do a lot to stem the rot in that country. But the msm coverage is just bullshit. CNN clearly doing what they can to prop her up and undercut Bernie.