2020 US Presidential Nominees

[beez]

Because she has ****ed up over the entire saga. Just like lots of people delete tweets that make them look silly. Just like lots of people delete tweets that are going to be used against them for the forthcoming future.

It actually is funny that she gets mocked over it, because she should. It's just a shame that the president always takes things too far.

At least she had the humility to say she ****ed up. The bulltish about politicians never being able to apologise is the biggest load of shit ever. My votes go to the ones who admit their mistakes and try to find a way to rectify them.

 

[iBeng]

Aight, Biden is out:


Thats maximum cringe right there.

 

[spinynorman]

Not everything is a conspiracy, and I'm getting sick of people blaming Soros, Zionists, banking cartels, rothchilds, military industrial complex, vegans for every bloody thing

Do you think Labor gets a fair run in the media in Australia, and is it a grand conspiracy to say that the Australian media is biased against a (notionally) left-wing party?

Assuming you say no, Labor doesn't get a fair run in the corporate media: Why is it looney tune stuff to say that the most successful socialist presidential hopeful ever would cop it unfairly by the corporate media?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I will concede on the suppression point because the rules do effect people regardless of their voting intention.

The rigging however is acknowledged by people in the Democratic Party (All praise be to Julian). I don’t know what else to tell you.

I didn't deny there was a thumb on the scale, but it wasn't enough to change the result. It was stupid and unnecessary, just like nixons idiots raiding DNC hq

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Do you think Labor gets a fair run in the media in Australia, and is it a grand conspiracy to say that the Australian media is biased against a (notionally) left-wing party?

Assuming you say no, Labor doesn't get a fair run in the corporate media: Why is it looney tune stuff to say that the most successful socialist presidential hopeful ever would cop it unfairly by the corporate media?

You must be young. News limited always support whoever Murdoch believes will hold power. He backed Menzies, then Whitlam, then Fraser, then Hawke, then Howard and on and on

Fairfax was always left leaning, although that's changing now they are Nine

Issue for Labor (and I am a member of the ALP) is they haven't managed media well

 

[Taylor]

Because she has f’ed up over the entire saga. Just like lots of people delete tweets that make them look silly. Just like lots of people delete tweets that are going to be used against them for the forthcoming future.

It actually is funny that she gets mocked over it, because she should. It's just a shame that the president always takes things too far.

At least she had the humility to say she f’ed up. The bulltish about politicians never being able to apologise is the biggest load of shit ever. My votes go to the ones who admit their mistakes and try to find a way to rectify them.

She exploited a minority, usurping their position to promote her own career and advance her position for decades.

And she could be President. The first native American president of the United States.

 

[bfff]

I didn't deny there was a thumb on the scale, but it wasn't enough to change the result. It was stupid and unnecessary, just like nixons idiots raiding DNC hq

I don’t see how you could be so sure of that.

 

[happy_eagle]

I don’t see how you could be so sure of that.

Thats not how the burden of proof works.

3,708,294 more people voted for Clinton over Bernie in 2016.

If you are claiming that the vote was rigged, then the onus is on you to provide evidence that 3,708,294 ballots were tampered with.

Did the DNC prefer Hillary over Bernie = Of course they did
Did they give Hillary assistance that they didn't give Bernie = Yes
Did they rig the ballot boxes 3.7 million times in favour of Clinton to get their result = Not unless you prove it.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I don’t see how you could be so sure of that.

Because of the margins and the nature of what was done.

Bernie was only ever a change agent, not a genuine candidate because he lacks appeal across a broad spectrum of the electorate

 

[Taylor]

He's done a good job of setting the standard level of Democrat candidate policy well left of where it used to be.

 

[bfff]

Thats not how the burden of proof works.

3,708,294 more people voted for Clinton over Bernie in 2016.

If you are claiming that the vote was rigged, then the onus is on you to provide evidence that 3,708,294 ballots were tampered with.

Did the DNC prefer Hillary over Bernie = Of course they did
Did they give Hillary assistance that they didn't give Bernie = Yes
Did they rig the ballot boxes 3.7 million times in favour of Clinton to get their result = Not unless you prove it.

Those numbers are suspect because of the cheating. How would it be possible to prove the effect of cheating after the fact? You are setting an impossible standard that is not applied in the other direction. Furthermore how is it possible to gauge the level of support for a candidate who was going up against a cheater?

 

[bfff]

Because of the margins and the nature of what was done.

Bernie was only ever a change agent, not a genuine candidate because he lacks appeal across a broad spectrum of the electorate

I disagree about 2016 but am genuinely interested in why you think he lacks appeal?

 

[happy_eagle]

How would it be possible to prove the effect of cheating after the fact?

Outline the instances of vote tampering that occurred in specific districts, and how many votes were affected ?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I disagree about 2016 but am genuinely interested in why you think he lacks appeal?

Most of America hate socialists still. It's stupid, but this is a country where people are still arguing that cheaper govt paid healthcare is worse than more expensive free market because "socialism"

He may get la, ny, and Seattle, but middle America would go deep red

 

[Crow54]

Is it correct that Bernie's an Independent that only becomes a Democrat when there's a Presidential election coming up? Then he reverts back to being an Independent?

 

[FireKrakouer]

You must be young. News limited always support whoever Murdoch believes will hold power. He backed Menzies, then Whitlam, then Fraser, then Hawke, then Howard and on and on

Fairfax was always left leaning, although that's changing now they are Nine

Issue for Labor (and I am a member of the ALP) is they haven't managed media well

You have been called out by the right for dismissing anything you don't like as "Lol Zionist soros Looney tunes conspiracy". Every second post by you is something along these lines, even though the only true conspiracy theorist here (P35) has been banned for years.

Now your own brethren on the left are calling you out for the same. Bernie being cheated has objective evidence ffs. You seem to think everything is a nutcase conspiracy unless it was tweeted by Jim Acosta.

It is a lame attempt at censorship. Time to get over it m8.
(In b4 a dismissive reply of "Lol satan pedos Zionist vampires". Righto)

 

[Ned_Flanders]

You have been called out by the right for dismissing anything you don't like as "Lol Zionist soros Looney tunes conspiracy". Every second post by you is something along these lines, even though the only true conspiracy theorist here (P35) has been banned for years.

Now your own brethren on the left are calling you out for the same. Bernie being cheated has objective evidence ffs. You seem to think everything is a nutcase conspiracy unless it was tweeted by Jim Acosta.

It is a lame attempt at censorship. Time to get over it m8.
(In b4 a dismissive reply of "Lol satan pedos Zionist vampires". Righto)

What drugs are you on? I'm saying their stupid conspiracy theory is as dumb as your stupid conspiracy theories

I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't call them out just because we share the same politics

 

[FireKrakouer]

What drugs are you on? I'm saying their stupid conspiracy theory is as dumb as your stupid conspiracy theories

I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't call them out just because we share the same politics

When both sides think you are full of shyte, it's time to reassess. You have about 2 thousand posts here jumping at shadows of "Alex Jones 5th dimensional aliens conspiraciez" that no one is actually suggesting. I'm sorry that you find reality uncomfortable!

 

[bfff]

Outline the instances of vote tampering that occurred in specific districts, and how many votes were affected ?

I didn’t say that every single vote in the margin between them was a result of vote tampering?

If someone gets caught cheating their result is void. Any reference to the number of votes Hillary received and any margins should be void.

I can cop that Bernie isn’t as popular for other reasons. Ned said it’s fear of socialism, fair enough sounds reasonable. But to use numbers from 2016 is fingers in the ears, “la la la” stuff.

 

[medusala]

Warren really fits into the Overton window that was shifted by Sanders in 2016. She’s a less objectionable version of Clinton who has adopted some of Sanders’s policies (and seems to genuinely intend to deliver them).

Wealth tax is a big shift. They typically end in tears. Though the US is different due to world wide taxation so would be an interesting experiment.

 

[Chicago1]

Wise words from our next President:

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Wise words from our next President:

A bigger disaster than Trump

Strom is a good guy though lol

 

[Madison]

Except 2016 disproved this

Sanders did well in caucuses, where you need highly motivated people to turn up for several hours of chat before a vote. This was because similar to trump sanders had a fanatical core of support

But Clinton beat him in the primaries. These are just rock up and vote events, so include more independents and those without hardcore devotion to the candidate/election/process. This was because sanders could not penetrate above his core. It's why Biden has been leading since day one.

Sanders support is like that for the likes of AOC, restricted to a progressive left wing of the left leaning electorate. That's not enough in the general

So if you're saying the the more casual voter didn't get behind Bernie then you're actually helping to prove my point.

Again, I'm not saying he'd definitely be in the lead if not for MSM using grubby tactics against him but it for sure hurts him. And if the usual voter who watches 'left wing' MSM only gets their news from there, and while I don't know the exact % I'd guess it's pretty high, then it's not surprising that he struggled to penetrate outside his base.

You must be young. News limited always support whoever Murdoch believes will hold power. He backed Menzies, then Whitlam, then Fraser, then Hawke, then Howard and on and on

Fairfax was always left leaning, although that's changing now they are Nine

Issue for Labor (and I am a member of the ALP) is they haven't managed media well

God damn you are condescending. Dismissing the media bias against non-corporate candidates as crackpot conspiracy theories instead of actually talking about the influence it has and now this.

If the 1996 election that Howard won was your first election then you'd be in your early 40's now.

And I agree that Labor haven't managed media well and some of it is there own fault and a lot of it is because corporate media wants corporate politicians who will be in their pockets. Over here that's the liberal party by a mile. In America it includes both sides of politics, but it doesn't include the likes of Bernie.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

When both sides think you are full of shyte, it's time to reassess. You have about 2 thousand posts here jumping at shadows of "Alex Jones 5th dimensional aliens conspiraciez" that no one is actually suggesting. I'm sorry that you find reality uncomfortable!

You don't because anytime you post that we know you don't believe it

 

[GreyCrow]

He's still third in the polls so they should be giving him more time. If they are sidelining him cos he's done as you say (and I agree it's going to be an issue) then they are making that decision for the public.

I get that it's going to make things hard for him but his schedule before was pretty outrageous and he's going to scale it back to basically what the rest of them are doing. It's not like he's going away. But either way, if they sidelined him cos they think he's done then you may as well just cut everyone except Warren and Biden cos no one else is a chance realistically. They have been sidelining him the whole way through.

There was an edit someone put together a week or two ago that basically shows the juxtaposition of his treatment and what they say about him on CNN and MSNBC against the reality and it did an amazing job of highlighting the effort they have put in to railroading him the whole way through.

Valid call that