2020 US Presidential Nominees

[RobbieK]

Hillary Clinton suggests Russians are 'grooming' Tulsi Gabbard for third-party run | CNN Politics

Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said Thursday the Russians are currently "grooming" a Democrat running in the presidential primary to run as a third-party candidate and champion their interests.

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Clinton claims Gabbard and Jill Stein from the Green Party are Russian assets.

There better be some evidence to back that up coming out pronto otherwise it is hard not to conclude that Clinton has fallen into the same conspiracy delusion that Trump has.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Hillary Clinton suggests Russians are 'grooming' Tulsi Gabbard for third-party run | CNN Politics

Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said Thursday the Russians are currently "grooming" a Democrat running in the presidential primary to run as a third-party candidate and champion their interests.

www.cnn.com

Clinton claims Gabbard and Jill Stein from the Green Party are Russian assets.

There better be some evidence to back that up coming out pronto otherwise it is hard not to conclude that Clinton has fallen into the same conspiracy delusion that Trump has.

That's not what she said

What she said is she expects the Russians will attempt to interfere with the election again, and they will do it by having their online activity support a third candidate outside the dem and GOP nominations

That may be the names mentioned.

That doesn't make them a Russian asset, just a beneficiary of their actions

 

[RobbieK]

That's not what she said

What she said is she expects the Russians will attempt to interfere with the election again, and they will do it by having their online activity support a third candidate outside the dem and GOP nominations

That may be the names mentioned.

That doesn't make them a Russian asset, just a beneficiary of their actions

She said Hubbard was being "groomed". She did literally call Stein a Russian asset. If you want to play a semantic game, fine, but these allegations, without accompanying evidence, are only going to hurt attempts to take Russian interference seriously.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

She said Hubbard was being "groomed". She did literally call Stein a Russian asset. If you want to play a semantic game, fine, but these allegations, without accompanying evidence, are only going to hurt attempts to take Russian interference seriously.

She was referring to the candacy, not the person

This was what was happening with trump prior to them even contacting the russians

 

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[RobbieK]

She was referring to the candacy, not the person

This was what was happening with trump prior to them even contacting the russians

It is one thing to say that the Russians are trying to bolster support behind certain candidates for their own interests and that they are doing so even without any sort of coordination or communication with those candidates. Yes, of course that was what was happening with Trump even before his attempts to reach out to them.

It is another thing to label them assets or say that they are being groomed. You use that language and it immediately suggests that these candidates are complicit in and consciously seeking to benefit from this Rusian interference.

If the latter is not true, you really shouldn't be using that kind of language. If the latter is true, then the evidence for it should be presented so that the legal system can address it.

If the evidence isn't provided it basically just plays in to Trump's "no collusion" narrative, which has been used to distract from the fact that the Russians were majorly involved in attempts to influence the election result and will no doubt be doing so again.

 

[its free real estate]

She was referring to the candacy, not the person

This was what was happening with trump prior to them even contacting the russians

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three years later the Clinton presidency permanently normalises trade relations with China.

 

[RobbieK]

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I'm not a Gabbard supporter, but I support that message. The Clintons as much as the Trumps represent what is wrong with American politics.

 

[Crow54]

Is it correct that Bernie's an Independent that only becomes a Democrat when there's a Presidential election coming up? Then he reverts back to being an Independent?

I'm just asking, herculez09, ... is it correct?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

It is one thing to say that the Russians are trying to bolster support behind certain candidates for their own interests and that they are doing so even without any sort of coordination or communication with those candidates. Yes, of course that was what was happening with Trump even before his attempts to reach out to them.

It is another thing to label them assets or say that they are being groomed. You use that language and it immediately suggests that these candidates are complicit in and consciously seeking to benefit from this Rusian interference.

If the latter is not true, you really shouldn't be using that kind of language. If the latter is true, then the evidence for it should be presented so that the legal system can address it.

If the evidence isn't provided it basically just plays in to Trump's "no collusion" narrative, which has been used to distract from the fact that the Russians were majorly involved in attempts to influence the election result and will no doubt be doing so again.

I agree better language should have been used, but if you read the entire text she wants saying "they are working with the Russians"

 

[Crow54]

I'm a Hillary supporter, but think she should stand back now. She's not helping at all. Mind you, I don't like Gabbard, and hope she'll soon bow out, especially after her tirade on Twitter. In that respect she's certainly been taking lessons from Trump.

ETA: Why is Gabbard even running as a Democrat? She's obviously a Trump supporter.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I'm a Hillary supporter, but think she should stand back now. She's not helping at all. Mind you, I don't like Gabbard, and hope she'll soon bow out, especially after her tirade on Twitter. In that respect she's certainly been taking lessons from Trump.

ETA: Why is Gabbard even running as a Democrat? She's obviously a Trump supporter.

Don't disagree with Hillary shutting up

Ex candidates or retired politicians opining about campaigns is rarely productive, and usually ****s things up

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I'm just asking, herculez09, ... is it correct?

Why would anyone care? Unless you're some weirdly huge Democrat fan who sees politics as two teams.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Why would anyone care? Unless you're some weirdly huge Democrat fan who sees politics as two teams.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but as a member of the alp I pay membership dues, attend branch meetings, letterbox, volunteer, scrutineer, support policy submissions and so on.

If (for example) David Koch came in and said "im running to be alp leader" but he isn't gunna join the party, raise funds for the party, develop policy within the party, and help people within the party, I'd be pissed.

I don't care if you think he's the best person for the alp, if he isn't prepared to join us and contribute to us, why should I hand my time and my money and my vote over to him?

 

[Crow54]

Why would anyone care? Unless you're some weirdly huge Democrat fan who sees politics as two teams.

It's not so much a matter of caring (although Ned_Flanders presents a very good case), I just wanted to confirm it. I'd seen it written, but was confused as to why he's running under a Democratic ticket if he's actually an Independent.

 

[Taylor]

Wealth tax is a big shift. They typically end in tears. Though the US is different due to world wide taxation so would be an interesting experiment.

I don't expect the spending programs to be curtailed when the funding intended to pay for it doesn't materialise, but I do expect the Democratic party to have a lot of trouble increasing the debt ceiling through the presidential term.

This will be spun as republicans denying Americans their right to free healthcare and free education.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I mentioned this elsewhere, but as a member of the alp I pay membership dues, attend branch meetings, letterbox, volunteer, scrutineer, support policy submissions and so on.

If (for example) David Koch came in and said "im running to be alp leader" but he isn't gunna join the party, raise funds for the party, develop policy within the party, and help people within the party, I'd be pissed.

I don't care if you think he's the best person for the alp, if he isn't prepared to join us and contribute to us, why should I hand my time and my money and my vote over to him?

I understand that but Crow54 is hardly a card carrying Democrat so it should hardly impact her opinion.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

It's not so much a matter of caring (although Ned_Flanders presents a very good case), I just wanted to confirm it. I'd seen it written, but was confused as to why he's running under a Democratic ticket if he's actually an Independent.

Because it provides a bigger platform to push his agenda.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I understand that but Crow54 is hardly a card carrying Democrat so it should hardly impact her opinion.

None of us are, but it doesn't mean we should cheerlead for any outsider to take over established parties

 

[happy_eagle]

Because it provides a bigger platform to push his agenda.

Do you think it makes him hamstrung and beholden to the DNC in any way ?

 

[Crow54]

Because it provides a bigger platform to push his agenda.

So he's happy to be a part of them when it suits him then.

 

[beez]

So he's happy to be a part of them when it suits him then.

I like how toxic these discussions have become that I can't tell whether you're hitting the passive aggressive button or not.

 

[Crow54]

I like how toxic these discussions have become that I can't tell whether you're hitting the passive aggressive button or not.

I don't know either. Am I?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

None of us are, but it doesn't mean we should cheerlead for any outsider to take over established parties

Why?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Why?

Because it's a forum to express opinions

If you only want registered USA voters to be involved in this discussion, Chicago1 will be talking to himself