Strategy 2021 Draft and Hypothetical pick trade proposals

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lol seriously can we just have a ban on posting things ol clickbait Kornes says…

none of it is interesting and it’s all designed to just stir people up.

Hodgey wants a new rule! Hodgey gets a new rule.

No more clickbait shit from Cornes in here.


Also:

Can we also threadban Rendell quotes. The bloke is senile.

Done

 

[buddylove23]

Any news on the Curnow rumour?


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[The hands of stone]

I ideally would like another top 12-15 pick , I wont be devestated if we dont get it though.
3 early picks puts a bit of pressure on us to nail every single pick in a 'rebuild'.
Our drafting though in the past few years has been really good.

It is funny the media almost imploring us to trade in for another high pick ......then say it may not be the draft too do that ' Kane Cornes

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/Edmund'

 

[danielG]

Any news on the Curnow rumour?


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What’s the Curnow rumour ? I sure hope it involves Charlie and not Ed..

 

[HomerJayS]

Random thoughts:

Its going to be hard to get value for any of our senior players due to this years strong draft pool. Every club wants early picks.

Was JOM not getting the captaincy an indication he’s ‘on the table’?

I‘m thinking we’ll see further delistings and VFL top-ups. Bramble & Newcombe success guarantees it IMO.

 

[Dewnior]

What’s the Curnow rumour ? I sure hope it involves Charlie and not Ed..

SYL reported that he heard a whisper Tigers were into him

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Worth remembering just how sh*te we were (and for how long) prior to our dynasty.
From 1995 in a 16 team comp, our final positions ...
15,8,15,15,9,8,6,10,9,15,14,11 ... then 5th in 2007 and the best Premiership of all in 2008.

We certainly got very busy in the trade/pick market in the 2000's - but it wasn't all one way ... we gave up picks for players as well as vice versa.
Have chunked them together in a pic below.

Personally, I'm not against trading out a best 22 player for a very early pick, but so many of the top 25 rated draft hopefuls are of a type we already have. And the x-factor players we don't currently have may well be gone by pick 15 or so. And given we live in an age of free agency - and we have a crap-load of cap-space - a rise up the ladder sooner rather than later could land us a big fish that a bunch of mid to late first-round picks might not.

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This is an excellent take, I agree completely.

Don't want to relive that extended period of mediocrity again

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[Mrzohs]

I ideally would like another top 12-15 pick , I wont be devestated if we dont get it though.
3 early picks puts a bit of pressure on us to nail every single pick in a 'rebuild'.
Our drafting though in the past few years has been really good.

It is funny the media almost imploring us to trade in for another high pick ......then say it may not be the draft too do that ' Kane Cornes/Edmund'

Spot on, one more would be the cherry on top.
- Day, Denver Grainger-Barras both steals.

 

[sohsam]

I ideally would like another top 12-15 pick , I wont be devestated if we dont get it though.
3 early picks puts a bit of pressure on us to nail every single pick in a 'rebuild'.
Our drafting though in the past few years has been really good.

It is funny the media almost imploring us to trade in for another high pick ......then say it may not be the draft too do that ' Kane Cornes/Edmund'

I would be happy with another pick in the 25-35 range, Geelong have 3 in that range.
Apparently Gold Coast and NM are in a trade where NM get a player, take over salary plus Gold Coast pick 19. Why were we not on this? sounds ridiculous, why would Gold Coast not only give up a player, pick 19 just to salary dump. I know we helped out Collingwood last year but we gave up a pick.

 

[sohsam]

Random thoughts:

Its going to be hard to get value for any of our senior players due to this years strong draft pool. Every club wants early picks.

Was JOM not getting the captaincy an indication he’s ‘on the table’?

I‘m thinking we’ll see further delistings and VFL top-ups. Bramble & Newcombe success guarantees it IMO.

I am not greedy, another pick in the 25-35 range will be handy.

 

[Jake_09]

The annoying thing about the North/GC trade is that we could actually use a player like McPherson. I actually thought we may have had an interest when I heard his name floated…especially if he’s been packaged up with pick 19 for cap space and a future pick. North have done well there, assuming it goes ahead.

 

[dreaming of another cyri]

We should be trying all avenues to trade with GWS for swopping pick 2 for 5. Could we use Ceglar or even take on some of Coniglio's salary? He's not the type of player (inside mid) we need but a change of environment might be a blessing for him and the giants. GWS could take Gibcus at 5, if Gold Coast opt for Mac Andrews.

 

[TylerDurden]

We should be trying all avenues to trade with GWS for swopping pick 2 for 5. Could we use Ceglar or even take on some of Coniglio's salary? He's not the type of player (inside mid) we need but a change of environment might be a blessing for him and the giants. GWS could take Gibcus at 5, if Gold Coast opt for Mac Andrews.

This is the play I'd be trying to make.

 

[Rowie6]

Those new ones with the mint Aero in it is *chefs kiss*.

Apologies guys I work for Nestlé!
The Chokito is underated?


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[2OLD 2SLOW]

Totally agree.
And aside from looking at other team boards and their posters, how about we look at the last 4 premiers - Bulldogs, West Coast, Richmond and Melbourne.
How many of those teams built their lists on the back of trading out experienced, top talent in exchange for early draft picks?

Bulldogs ... crickets Ryan Griffen, Adam Cooney, Liam Jones, Shaun Higgins After their flag: Jake Stringer, Luke Dahlhaus
West Coast ... crickets Matt Rosa, Scott Selwood
Richmond ... crickets - Brett Delidio, Vickery
Melbourne ... crickets - James Frawley, Jess Hogan

I don't think any of the names above contradict my point ...

I said, "How many of those teams built their lists on the back of trading out experienced, top talent in exchange for early draft picks?"

Out of the list you’ve provided …

Vickery, Selwood, Frawley were all free agents (not traded for early picks)

Cooney, Jones, Rosa were all traded for picks outside #30

Stringer and Dahlhaus, traded after the flag as you mentioned

Griffen was traded for a net pick loss (Bulldogs got Boyd in the deal and actually gave up pick 6).

Hogan netted pick 6 for the Dees but they immediately on-traded it for Kolodjashnij and May

The Deledio trade is the closest to the model of 'trade top player for early pick' - but even then, it was for a late future 1st that was used at the end of the 2017 premiership year (and ultimately, split to get 2 players who played no part in any of their premierships).

None of those 4 premierships came about because the clubs got super aggressive and traded top players for early picks (meg-drafting their way to the top).
Not to say that it won't work for us, but I think the common theme is that clubs build a premiership list by getting in top players any which way they can, and often after a long haul of bottoming out and using the early draft picks allocated by virtue of their lowly position.

My objection / interjection is not to the idea of trading out a player or two - that's why I came to this hypothetical thread.
My objection is to the trade-radio kind of idea that there is a well-worn path to a premiership, and all you have to do is trade this bloke for this pick, and this bloke won't be in the premiership window so blah blah blah, and people are just too stupid to get it.

If we don't add another 1st rounder to our current haul, it won't be some disaster or terrible missed opportunity.
Hasten slowly, people.

 

[Toasted]

The annoying thing about the North/GC trade is that we could actually use a player like McPherson. I actually thought we may have had an interest when I heard his name floated…especially if he’s been packaged up with pick 19 for cap space and a future pick. North have done well there, assuming it goes ahead.

All we have to do is convince McPherson that he’s future lies with us. IF we want him and IF he’s in our best 22 then we should be able to swoop in

 

[Mrzohs]

Thinking outside the box...

- Can we offload a midrange player or two and package that pick with 21 to see how high we can get up the draft.
- A lil more creative package next year's first with pick 21.
Examples - Howe for pick 31, Tob pick 37?
Ceglar - ?

I Would be happy to retain our best assets and improve our draft position if possible.

 

[Toasted]

I don't think any of the names above contradict my point ...

I said, "How many of those teams built their lists on the back of trading out experienced, top talent in exchange for early draft picks?"

Out of the list you’ve provided …

Vickery, Selwood, Frawley were all free agents (not traded for early picks)

Cooney, Jones, Rosa were all traded for picks outside #30

Stringer and Dahlhaus, traded after the flag as you mentioned

Griffen was traded for a net pick loss (Bulldogs got Boyd in the deal and actually gave up pick 6).

Hogan netted pick 6 for the Dees but they immediately on-traded it for Kolodjashnij and May

The Deledio trade is the closest to the model of 'trade top player for early pick' - but even then, it was for a late future 1st that was used at the end of the 2017 premiership year (and ultimately, split to get 2 players who played no part in any of their premierships).

None of those 4 premierships came about because the clubs got super aggressive and traded top players for early picks (meg-drafting their way to the top).
Not to say that it won't work for us, but I think the common theme is that clubs build a premiership list by getting in top players any which way they can, and often after a long haul of bottoming out and using the early draft picks allocated by virtue of their lowly position.

My objection / interjection is not to the idea of trading out a player or two - that's why I came to this hypothetical thread.
My objection is to the trade-radio kind of idea that there is a well-worn path to a premiership, and all you have to do is trade this bloke for this pick, and this bloke won't be in the premiership window so blah blah blah, and people are just too stupid to get it.

If we don't add another 1st rounder to our current haul, it won't be some disaster or terrible missed opportunity.
Hasten slowly, people.

Hallelujah! Finally someone with the time to go through this step by step. I’ve been racking my brains trying to think the last time a team went super aggressive at the trade table and won a flag.
The teams that have gone super aggressive in recent history and “Won” trade week are Essendon, Saints and us post 2016.
IMHO, we trade out the 4 expendable assets we have (TOB, Hallahan, Ceglar and Howe) and try to package those players up to move up the draft table.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Option 1. Package up a potential TOB compensation pick with 56 and try to snag a selection in the 30's.

Option 2: Simply wait until draft night and live trade our way into a better position.

Option 2 is reliant on players we want bring available though.

There is every possibility that we simply use 5, 21 and 24 and get exactly who we want.

There is also the possibility that we miss out on who we want at 21 and 24 and trade those picks back a bit or into next season.

So many possibilities that it's almost impossible to predict how it will unfold.

 

[TooOldTooSlowTooGood]

Thinking outside the box...

- Can we offload a midrange player or two and package that pick with 21 to see how high we can get up the draft.
- A lil more creative package next year's first with pick 21.
Examples - Howe for pick 31, Tob pick 37?
Ceglar - ?

I Would be happy to retain our best assets and improve our draft position if possible.

This is my guess as to what’s going to happen too. Use what we can get from the likes TOB, Howe, Cegs and Ollie with our current picks to improve the overall draft hand.
Can make all kinds of hypotheticals from there so not going to try, but you would hope the club is very busy behind the scenes exploring all options.

 

[Dewnior]

I would be happy with another pick in the 25-35 range, Geelong have 3 in that range.

Cats have 3 between 30-35 which will push out with academy and f/s selections.

The consensus is that there is quality in the top 30 picks but it drops away after that. So picks in the 20-30 range are good. Picks in the 35-45 range not so much.

 

[Toasted]

Cats have 3 between 30-35 which will push out with academy and f/s selections.

The consensus is that there is quality in the top 30 picks but it drops away after that. So picks in the 20-30 range are good. Picks in the 35-45 range not so much.

Won’t it come in? Teams like the dogs using multiple picks to match bids will 35 into 32-33?

 

[TooOldTooSlowTooGood]

Won’t it come in? Teams like the dogs using multiple picks to match bids will 35 into 32-33?

Can go either way but Daicos and Darcy won’t effect it much as it stands. Pie’s only have later picks at the moment but do need more points. WB which they either use or trade for more points. The way the draft is, with supposedly an even field till about pick 30, it’s hard to see a club trading two picks in the 20s for their first rounder.

I can’t remember reading anything about any other players that are academy or FS picks in the top 30, other posters may know of some?

 

[theiaofseed]

Can go either way but Daicos and Darcy won’t effect it much as it stands. Pie’s only have later picks at the moment but do need more points. WB which they either use or trade for more points. The way the draft is, with supposedly an even field till about pick 30, it’s hard to see a club trading two picks in the 20s for their first rounder.

I can’t remember reading anything about any other players that are academy or FS picks in the top 30, other posters may know of some?

Gws have an academy player thats borderline first round

 

[TooOldTooSlowTooGood]

Gws have an academy player thats borderline first round

So our 2nd round picks moving back 2 or 3 places. As it stands, only what the Doggies do with their first rounder effecting which players will be available to us?

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Seems like Sam had a plan with his coaching team. I reckon trade plans are in motion now, if our trade period goes as smooth as the coaches it will be sweet.