Strategy 2021 Draft and Hypothetical pick trade proposals

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lol seriously can we just have a ban on posting things ol clickbait Kornes says…

none of it is interesting and it’s all designed to just stir people up.

Hodgey wants a new rule! Hodgey gets a new rule.

No more clickbait shit from Cornes in here.


Also:

Can we also threadban Rendell quotes. The bloke is senile.

Done

 

[KermitJagger]

Listening to MM i really get the feeling we might look to trade future picks into picks this year

Reading into things is always fraught with danger, but here's what I got from it:

1. We'll look closely at the potential of splitting our first, particularly on draft night if the offer is right and it comes up
2. Future picks are still a likelihood to improve our hand in the future
3. Player movement out seems to be less of a focus than using picks and future picks to improve our hand

 

[TylerDurden]

He's an iceman.

 

[Big Hotdog]

The only impression that I got was that MM wasnt giving away shit.
Nothing official on TOB yet.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I, for one, welcome our new trade overlord! No more Hawthorn pushovers at the negotiation table. **** around and we go elsewhere - go extort another club.

 

[RoughysMullet]

Gave nothing away really… could look cryptically at a few of the things he said but by and large everything is still on the table…

 

[The hands of stone]

Love it. Big plus too telling Port where to go.

Feel like we starting to get our 'unsociable' feel back

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Gave nothing away really… could look cryptically at a few of the things he said but by and large everything is still on the table…

Brander sounds interesting

 

[Blackhawk42]

We haven't ruled out getting Ladhams. Just removed ourselves from the conversation until Ports asking price (potentially) matches ours. That's how I took that.

I actually hate how little information our club gives away sometimes..it's the same with our injury list. I know a lot on here commend it but it's bloody frustrating for us impatient types. It'll get to the end of trade work and I'll love our work I'm sure, but it's pulling teeth in the mean time.

 

[Rhayader]

He's an iceman.

Clearly conveyed that the club are simultaneously interested in everything and nothing. Mission accomplished.

 

[matsta1975]

We haven't ruled out getting Ladhams. Just removed ourselves from the conversation until Ports asking price (potentially) matches ours. That's how I took that.

I actually hate how little information our club gives away sometimes..it's the same with our injury list. I know a lot on here commend it but it's bloody frustrating for us impatient types. It'll get to the end of trade work and I'll love our work I'm sure, but it's pulling teeth in the mean time.

Categorically will not be happening

 

[VandoHawk]

We haven't ruled out getting Ladhams. Just removed ourselves from the conversation until Ports asking price (potentially) matches ours. That's how I took that.

I actually hate how little information our club gives away sometimes..it's the same with our injury list. I know a lot on here commend it but it's bloody frustrating for us impatient types. It'll get to the end of trade work and I'll love our work I'm sure, but it's pulling teeth in the mean time.

While I agree with injuries I think it's the right approach with trades. Maintains professionalism & doesn't close any doors.

 

[Dewnior]

I wish we would deal with the Blues. Pick 8 for Saad, pick 6 for Cerra. They love throwing away picks.

Early draft picks for the Blues is equivalent to my kids getting doubles and triples of Pokemon cards. They end up just giving them away.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

We haven't ruled out getting Ladhams. Just removed ourselves from the conversation until Ports asking price (potentially) matches ours. That's how I took that.

I actually hate how little information our club gives away sometimes..it's the same with our injury list. I know a lot on here commend it but it's bloody frustrating for us impatient types. It'll get to the end of trade work and I'll love our work I'm sure, but it's pulling teeth in the mean time.

So you want our list manager to give away our hand live on trade radio? Odd.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Dylan Shiel comes to mind

 

[Blackhawk42]

So you want our list manager to give away our hand live on trade radio? Odd.

Of course not. But we are notorious for being very in-house on everything. As an example, I would love a Hawthorn player to be followed around for a Making Their Mark series, but I don't see it ever happening.

McKenzie even refusing to name drop any talented kids at the top of the draft is an example.

There are positives to this approach absolutely. But in an information and content craving society we certainly offer up far less than most other clubs IMO.

 

[Slainte]

Hard to get a read on the Ladhams situation.

Port says he is exploring his options because they could not give him the undertaking he wanted regarding his playing position. I presume that means "we are sticking with Lycett as our #1 ruck".

McKenzie says we would love to have him but Port are asking too much. Does that mean that if he came at the right price, we would give him the #1 ruck gig? Or does it mean that Ladhams has indicated he would be willing to play a Hale role for us but not for Port?

Maybe both clubs are just saying stuff for subterfuge.

 

[Bardo State]

I think there's another correction happening with the valuation of draft picks.

Early 00s it seems draft picks were a bit underrated. Teams gave up good firsts for players who weren't stars. Hawks built a fair chunk of the 08 side this way with Crowd, Thompson, Hay etc

Then late 00s/early 10s draft picks were maybe overvalued. Hawthorn was largely able to build it's threepeat side because of this. Good players going for second rounders. Gunston, Gibson, Burgoyne, Hale, McEvoy etc.

Then late 10s there was another correction and the good young player for two first round picks trades started cropping up. Shiel, Beams etc. Hawthorn traded out of several drafts in this environment to secure Wingard, O'Meara etc.

Now with the Cerra trade going through basically for pick 6, it feels like that has cooled a bit again as clubs have been burnt trading out multiple good picks for players. I think 5 years ago he goes for a first and second, or two firsts with a second back.

 

[Iceman!]

Has there been any update in the news about how negotiations are going between the AFL and clubs on salary cap because this is the biggest hurdle for trades at the moment, surely?

I know this isn’t news to anyone but having a trade period half way over while the league is still negotiating the salary cap is some of the most amateur hour shit I have seen in a long time.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Of course not. But we are notorious for being very in-house on everything. As an example, I would love a Hawthorn player to be followed around for a Making Their Mark series, but I don't see it ever happening.

McKenzie even refusing to name drop any talented kids at the top of the draft is an example.

There are positives to this approach absolutely. But in an information and content craving society we certainly offer up far less than most other clubs IMO.

I am with you on certain things - but our drafting and trading strategy is absolutely not one of them. I am glad MM is keeping things close to his chest. The Ladhams messaging was clearly to tell the AFL world we won't be playing stupid games at the trade table like we had done in prior years. Everything else can be kept to the brains trust of the club.

 

[theiaofseed]

O'Brien a Dog be nice if we know the compo by days end

 

[Iceman!]

Contracted ruckmen that we are pushing out the door but ‘rate internally’?

That’ll be a first round pick thanks

 

[butlers hawks]

O'Brien a Dog be nice if we know the compo by days end

Bracing myself for a 2 year deal on low money and no compensation

 

[QuietB]

Hard to get a read on the Ladhams situation.

Port says he is exploring his options because they could not give him the undertaking he wanted regarding his playing position. I presume that means "we are sticking with Lycett as our #1 ruck".

McKenzie says we would love to have him but Port are asking too much. Does that mean that if he came at the right price, we would give him the #1 ruck gig? Or does it mean that Ladhams has indicated he would be willing to play a Hale role for us but not for Port?

Maybe both clubs are just saying stuff for subterfuge.

Why do we want to waste picks on him - isn't Reeves the next coming?

 

[Iceman!]

Why do we want to waste picks on him - isn't Reeves the next coming?

We have loved running a second ruck for as long as I can remember, Ladhams is a legit solid forward. Would parter Reeves well long term.

Obviously seems like the cost is too much and clearly he isn’t a high priority for us.