List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Jeffcrowe]

I think he’ll certainly play predominantly wing/half-back rotation, but Nicks has shown a penchant to try to rotate his wingers through the midfield and I expect Dawson will actually give him that predominantly outside player, who can go roll through the midfield. Cook hopefully similar, although more as a HFF/Wing, than Dawson who’d be more a HBF/Wing.

I think this is an area Sholl, especially with the imminent arrival of Dawson, will have to continue to work on if he doesn’t want to become the next Rory Atkins. Its rare in finals games these days that wingers are allowed to run around like unregistered dogs, racking up touches at will. Hamill’s a bit the same, although his issues not so much his attack on the footy, but that his body appears to be so fragile. I think Nicks will increasingly want his outside mids to be comfortable, and able to cope, with the hot contested stuff.

Yep I can see him like Karl Amon where he does both wing and inside but predominantly wing like a 60:40 split but this will also depend on what his form is like in either position

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I wouldn't be all that shocked when people are talking Erasmus and Callaghan at that point, I think Goater stacks up exceptionally against those two personally and I cant see him as being in the pick 15 -20 range most have been predicting to this point.

You think Erasmus' field kicking is better?

Erasmus field kicking is better , but agree Goater has the power side to his game , shows better ability to win contested ball and his transition running is very good . Obviously huge athletic traits too which I think we lack overall

 

[Thetrader15]

Erasmus field kicking is better , but agree Goater has the power side to his game , shows better ability to win contested ball and his transition running is very good . Obviously huge athletic traits too which I think we lack overall

Any highlights of the two?

 

[Mutineer]

He’s still developing though Bicks and developing fast as well as putting on size . I’ve seen him lay 24 tackles in a game at NEAFL level and I’ve got no doubt he can start to go inside the centre square in the next few years as he reaches peak physical maturity

his kick is that good it will also be good to have him sitting on the wing at times as well because you want to use that strength

but if you’ve got a Shoenberg and a Keays/ Laird / Pedlar in there then he’s a nice guy to roll thru there at the same time

if Seedsman can pinch hit in there and Amon can play in there at Port then Dawson definitely can given more development

I'll hold off on my judgement until I actually see him play inside the contest but I'm yet to be convinced that is where we will get the best value from his skill set.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I guess the question isn't so much whether they have Champion Data Certified Efficient Kicks, but more whether they make the right decisions by foot

For example, which players when kicking inside 50 look to spot up leading forwards, as opposed to bombing it long and high or straight to defenders.

Players that kick long inside 50 to a forward's advantage, but may not perfectly hit the target, are more valuable than sideways chip merchants that rack up efficient kicks behind center.

Which players have the skill to kick snap goals out of packs? Which players make intelligent decisions about where to kick? Which players kick to advantage even if the receiving player stuffs it up?

I'm fine with a player not having a laser kick if they are intelligent ball users that take attacking options and don't go the easy long bomb or sideways chip

Jack Macrae and Caleb Daniel would have to be 2 of the best kicks in the comp when playing in midfield ( Daniel doesn’t play there that much )

so yep it’s important but as mutineer says not everything

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I'll hold off on my judgement until I actually see him play inside the contest but I'm yet to be convinced that is where we will get the best value from his skill set.

Yep fair point

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Any highlights of the two?

YouTube has highlights up I think now or posted prev on here by mutineer

Erasmus is a classy rangy moving mid that’s probably a bit more natural on the outside than inside . He’s very good overhead . He generally gets alot more uncontested ball than contested like 1.5-2 : 1

 

[hey shorty]

Or use top 5 ish draft picks in this draft and next seems the best way and most available way

Goes without saying I reckon.

And like most if not all flag teams, cherry pick the players you want from other clubs

 

[Danger in Texas]

YouTube has highlights up I think now or posted prev on here by mutineer

Erasmus is a classy rangy moving mid that’s probably a bit more natural on the outside than inside . He’s very good overhead . He generally gets alot more uncontested ball than contested like 1.5-2 : 1

Yep, Erasmus has proven to be more of a rangy, roaming target when it comes to overhead ability. Goater has shown more of an intercept game, from what I’ve seen (still valuable)

Both have inconsistent foot skills, from what I’ve seen, wouldn’t put one’s ahead of the other

 

[Sanders]

I’d take Keays over Viney any day, but each to their own

me too

 

[70lethal]

Adelaide needs to wait until the CCJ trade happens before doing the Dawson trade, because if North is committed to CCJ in the pre season draft and gold coast and Collingwood have tight salary caps Dawson will make it to Adelaide easily without having to use any draft capital

It's a very strange set of circumstances this year with the 1st lot of trades being nominated going to the bottom clubs and those bottom clubs either don't want to give up or don't have draft picks.or screwed for cap space.
1. CCJ to North
2. Lipinski to Collingwood
3. Frampton to GC
4. Dawson to Crows.

Afl would end of PSD after the GC got Frampton.

 

[Crow till I die]

Should we use a sneaky late pick on the bryce magarey gibbs fella..goes alright in the snafl apparently

 

[Crows I Am]

I don't want Callahan. Not for talent but I just get a strong go home vibe.

Sure we might get something appropriate but just look at the Rankine is only worth a 2nd rounder talk

Happy with Goater. He just seems to find space.

If we can also do Roberts/Draper somewhere along the line -unlikely- then that's a great future

If Callaghan was available at our pick, I'd definitely be happy to take him and back ourselves in to keep him long term. I know we have lost a lot of players over the years to the 'go home' factor, but I feel as though the tide is turning and we are building a good group of young kids that seem to be enjoying their time here.

 

[Sanders]

If we think Callaghan is our guy, and he’s available, I’d be horrified if we did anything else other than select him

if you start doubting yourself all is lost

 

[NTRabbit]

If we think Callaghan is our guy, and he’s available, I’d be horrified if we did anything else other than select him

if you start doubting yourself all is lost

I heard he got sacked 11 times this year though

 

[GrommoT]

If Callaghan was available at our pick, I'd definitely be happy to take him and back ourselves in to keep him long term. I know we have lost a lot of players over the years to the 'go home' factor, but I feel as though the tide is turning and we are building a good group of young kids that seem to be enjoying their time here.

Would think Hamish & Co would do their due diligence on the risk (given what's happened over the years) but having drafted a good number of SA lads, maybe we can have a flutter on Callaghan.

 

[Gtowncrow]

So… you dont want to answer the question then?.. would rather go the silly gif response instead.

and others here can also feel free to help you answer it..

I’ll repeat it..

sloane, laird and keays were our “go to” main midfielders this season.. 80% of the time this year they were the guns the club chose to attend the CB’s and lead our midfield.

So… where would you rate that midfield in the comp?..

Top 5?
Top 10?

you clearly rate them highly as you love to quickly attack, and “thumbs down” anyone who dares to question the abilities of these three lads.

Where do you see them in relation to all the other main midfield combos in the league?..

To rate any midfield, the ruck needs to be factored in as well.

Given ROB's form this year, our onball brigade needed to be defensive because they got precious little "service".

Melbourne midfield is as good as any other than maybe the golden Brisbane teams. Gawn is a massive part of that by giving his onballers confidence of a general direction the ball is going. The onballers look good, and are good at taking it from there. They have their structure and it works. Our guys are second guessing where the ball is going and accordingly, are rushed or chasing jumpers.

It might be a jolt for some but our midfield is not adequate for a good team. But I'm definitely including ROB in that category unless he improves. A better tap ruck might give our smalls a better fighting chance to perform like their more fancied colleagues. I'm not suggesting they are Brownlow medalists in waiting, I just think there's more to the problem than our smalls.

 

[Gtowncrow]

“There is more to a football side than its midfield, and looking at our squad, it's pretty clear why we finished bottom four (though, it's probably an unlucky bottom four finish considering we were a 7 win team), and why a lot of optimism around where we'll finish in 2022 is rather misplaced. After all, we are carrying a lot of kids and will be again next year.”

I believe our defense and forward line are pretty bloody good to be honest..

our defense has some great moving parts including doedee, butts, murray, brown, (who I rate more than some around here).. yesmacasey is a bit of a worry. But frampton looks good as a break glass option. But defenders are pretty easy to come by.

our halfback line has multiple options and is hopefully adding an elite player into the mix in the coming weeks.. and I’m loving what Jones is bringing.

We had the comps best wingman this year and another in sholl who, whilst he tired in the scond half of the season was enormous in the first half.. highest mtrs gained by any player in the comp.. burgess will help.

our hf/forward line has some great pieces.. mchenry inproved immensly this year.. fog got better and better as the year progressed and will be another that will benefit from burgess. TT will be a gun.
We probably need a small xfactor forward… but all of this looks pretty bloody good considering the utterly horrid delivery it had to put up with from our midfield of which sloane, keays and laird were the main culprits.. improve the delivery and watch this forward line start to flourish

seriously.. these three lads got 80-90 possessions a game between them.. they have no trouble getting their hands on the ball.. the problem is what they do with the bloody thing.. most of the time its b-grade sh*te. And barely ever is it damaging to the opposition.

kick and hope helicopter sky balls that do our forwards absolutely no favours whatsoever is what laird and keays provide more often than not.

but we have some promising youngsters that need to be given more of a run in the middle.. but this bullshit conservative approach that sees us stick to the steady as she goes keays/laird/sloane preferred crap just needs to stop.

Melbourne set the standard this year in team selection. The whole club must have bled for Nathan Jones, but the whole club agreed it needed to be done to continue to grow as a team.

The Dee's showed some good culture I'd say. I wonder if we can be that good?

 

[70lethal]

To rate any midfield, the ruck needs to be factored in as well.

Given ROB's form this year, our onball brigade needed to be defensive because they got precious little "service".

Melbourne midfield is as good as any other than maybe the golden Brisbane teams. Gawn is a massive part of that by giving his onballers confidence of a general direction the ball is going. The onballers look good, and are good at taking it from there. They have their structure and it works. Our guys are second guessing where the ball is going and accordingly, are rushed or chasing jumpers.

It might be a jolt for some but our midfield is not adequate for a good team. But I'm definitely including ROB in that category unless he improves. A better tap ruck might give our smalls a better fighting chance to perform like their more fancied colleagues. I'm not suggesting they are Brownlow medalists in waiting, I just think there's more to the problem than our smalls.

The scary part is Jackson was in the ruck when they went nuts in the 3rd and with the 6 6 6 rule the no way of slowing things down if you get smashed in there.

Those 2 games Strachan played show we got some cover but it would be nice to find an athletic ruck with a huge leap.

 

[70lethal]

Not sure how many on here have watched Jordan Dawson play but if you're expecting him to come in and be a dominant midfielder you're going to be disappointed I think. Contested ball is not his strength, his abilities are best used outside of the contest just like the Swans have cottoned onto.
Jordan Dawson is tall at 192cm but he is definitely not big bodied, Nathan Fyfe is the same height and he's 10kg heavier, Christian Petracca is 6cm shorter and 10kg heavier, Lachie Neale is 15cm shorter and around the same weight.

I don't want to see him as an inside mid.
1. I don't think he has explosive power
2. We have already drafted inside bulls
3. His weapons are his kicking and marking.

If anything I rather see him go forward and see if he can play a role like Fritsch even if its only to change things up for a short period of time.

From his draft year.

Bio: A medium forward he has impressed in the SANFL for Sturt with his ability to lead to the right space and finds space in the forward line. Covers the ground well for his size he is a strong mark above his head. Has potential to be a genuine forward prospect after growing from 187cm to 190cm in the last twelve months. He is a left footer who has shown he has the ability to convert in front of the big sticks when he finds the opportunity.

 

[Thetrader15]

The scary part is Jackson was in the ruck when they went nuts in the 3rd and with the 6 6 6 rule the no way of slowing things down if you get smashed in there.

Those 2 games Strachan played show we got some cover but it would be nice to find an athletic ruck with a huge leap.

Mac Andrew

 

[HarryCrow]

The scary part is Jackson was in the ruck when they went nuts in the 3rd and with the 6 6 6 rule the no way of slowing things down if you get smashed in there.

Those 2 games Strachan played show we got some cover but it would be nice to find an athletic ruck with a huge leap.

Reckon WB had planned so much for Gawn the changeup to Jackson was pivotal (nullifying him and reading his taps). Do we have a Plan B like that?? Do we have the cattle to have a Plan B? Can TT get as competitive as Jackson (who seems pretty solid) as quickly or do we need a Mac Andrew?

 

[UcantCme]

How do you get the stong go home vibe?

The club needs to draft the very best available talent and back itself in, culture, program and success

If a player leaves its more a reflection on the club, not the player

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[Mutineer]

How do you get the stong go home vibe?

The club needs to draft the very best available talent and back itself in, culture, program and success

If a player leaves its more a reflection on the club, not the player

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Jack Gunston says hi.

Red flags there family wise

Finn Callaghan has close family ties to a current AFL coach.

It might not concern you but it's there.

 

[Crows I Am]

Reckon WB had planned so much for Gawn the changeup to Jackson was pivotal (nullifying him and reading his taps). Do we have a Plan B like that?? Do we have the cattle to have a Plan B? Can TT get as competitive as Jackson (who seems pretty solid) as quickly or do we need a Mac Andrew?

TT can definitely play that role IMO. Once he builds up his frame and keeps improving his fitness levels he will be a very dangerous 2nd ruck option similar to Jackson. Obviously Burgess coming in to the club will help fast track his physical development so he can start competing better against the top line rucks.