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We have 2 quality one’s coming next season we have players like Smith Robertson Mathieson and Sharp as depth would love to look at JVR and Bazzo
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1 quality one. The second is purely speculative at the moment. Of the four you listed I can only see one being B grade at best.
Lol, well what about the other two? Dev I back in, purely from what he produced at national champs. It’s pretty rare for a guy to dominate at that level and not have a pretty good career. Sharp I just haven’t seen anything of…..yet.
Didn't watch the games he played this year?
Very small sample size, if anyone is able to predict his future from that then they’re a far better judge of talent than I.
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Sharp out performed my opinion of him. Quite bullish on him actually.
But that’s the thing, his under 18 year was fairly non-existent and therefore how is one to have an opinion of him from that? Did he show something in his games at the Lions? Yes. However can one truly say from that small sample size they can predict his future?
This also leads into this years crop. To me they’re just names. I know that the ‘draft followers’ have viewed them and have given us their opinions and descriptions of them which is always helpful. However, i would always watch the national champs and try to see as much viewing as I could to base my own decision on players. Some here can say what about the WA v SA game? For me that’s too small a sample size and the usual games where they would finish the last two in Vic against the two Vic teams which would decide the national champs were usually a very good indicator of a player’s ability. There is also those who are good enough that play as an underage talent which are always good to see and garner info on. That just hasn’t happened the last two years. Therefore I personally feel I don’t have any justification as to ‘pick’ or ‘name’ players that I would like the Lions to draft.
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I'd take a sample size of 1 game at AFL level over an entire season of underaged footy. Better opposition, better teammates, more sophisticated gameplan and better coverage. Pre-draft form is overrated.
I'm not prepared to lock Sharpe in yet but I think we have enough to base a fairly optimistic opinion on.
I'm not prepared to lock Sharpe in yet but I think we have enough to base a fairly optimistic opinion on.
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I can’t predict his future but I could certainly see him at least becoming a B grader, same as Dev.
I hope so, I really do. I want all of the players we draft to make it. Not only for the club but for themselves. I am sure he’ll put his best foot forward. All I am saying is that I personally don’t really have too much to firmly say that he will…..yet.
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He's quite an interesting talent. Basically nothing to go from in his draft year, still in school and taken later on in the draft. Comes in and shows qualities you'd expect a first rounder to have. No guarantee to make it,. It absolutely blew away my expectations of him. I was so surprised he kicked the footy well but also ran both ways with equal intent. So much to work with.
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Yeah I really like Sharp and would love by the end of the season him to be really challenging Robbo for his spot. His running ability is as good as anyone in the league and if he can learn how to use it to his advantage it'll be a massive weapon for us, I was also surprised with his skills on both sides of the body and I thought I saw a few things in the contest to suggest he'll be effective pushing into the defence to help out, at least looked willing to put his body into a contest.
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By the end of his career, Harry Sharp will be seen as one of the great draft steals.
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Sharp vs Whitfield is a H2H I'm looking forward to.
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It might be a good idea to play Sharp against teams with gun running wingers (Whitfield,Gaff,Langdon) and tell him to just follow them around all day. They'd be great lessons to learn how to run and when to run in game scenarios.
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He just needs to watch McCluggage and learn off him the major reason (Suitcase) is missing goals is he’s often running into position to get the football and seems to not be focused he’s actually a very good shot at goal when he’s straight in front or has been playing forward
You're the one who implied he won't be even B grade at best. So you're the one predicting his future from a small sample size.
That’s not what was said at all.
Got to agree with jjami15 here, Sharp showed glimpses in his two or three games, but nothing that anyone could reasonably predict a future outcome on.
Yes, his kicking was better than expected, but it was on such a short sample size, no one could reliably say just how good a kick he is.
He has great endurance, but as I mentioned at the time, he got showed up for outright speed a few times, and he didn’t have the tank for repeat burst efforts. He’s not fast off the mark and able to put meters on an opponent from a contest. He can outrun an opponent if it’s a 100 yard dash along the fat side wing.
He repeatedly was out bodied and out positioned by stronger opponents, both at the contest and when going on 40 meter run for the ball. Against Sydney his opponent often sought contact while running, instead of going for the ball, as they knew they could put him off balance before arriving at the ball, thus negating a contest at the ball, and winning clean possession.
This is to be expected from a very young, light bodied kid. But he was still willing to put his head over the ball, when playing off a stoppage.
All in all, Sharp potentially has the tools to be a good player, we’ve just got to see him get an extended run of games and build some consistency.
Hi all, I don't mean to take this thread in a different direction, and first just want to say thanks again to all the draft watchers for their thoughts on good picks for us this year.
I really like the look of Wilmot. He gives me Ridley vibes in his ability to intercept but also use the ball. He could even grow a bit more. Really hope we get him at 20 to help Kiddy with offensive transition.
For 16, it looks like we'll have a bunch of good mid/flanker types to choose from. They all seem to have decent disposal and, avoiding Roberts, have good speed. So my question is, what traits do we most need other than those two, in the player we pick?
Is it elite speed like Chesser, ball winning like Johnson, or skill and dual sided skills like Sonsie?
I feel like Goater and Sinn will be gone, but any of the players around our pick could be great for us if they develop well. So my other question is, who would be available at our later picks that would pair well with our 1st round options to hopefully help them settle and flourish in the vein of Dev and Prior?
Thanks again, love all your work
I really like the look of Wilmot. He gives me Ridley vibes in his ability to intercept but also use the ball. He could even grow a bit more. Really hope we get him at 20 to help Kiddy with offensive transition.
For 16, it looks like we'll have a bunch of good mid/flanker types to choose from. They all seem to have decent disposal and, avoiding Roberts, have good speed. So my question is, what traits do we most need other than those two, in the player we pick?
Is it elite speed like Chesser, ball winning like Johnson, or skill and dual sided skills like Sonsie?
I feel like Goater and Sinn will be gone, but any of the players around our pick could be great for us if they develop well. So my other question is, who would be available at our later picks that would pair well with our 1st round options to hopefully help them settle and flourish in the vein of Dev and Prior?
Thanks again, love all your work
Okay...
Apart from GWS and their midfielders who leave for practically nothing, another cautionary tale with drafting is Callum Coleman-Jones. Richmond drafted him as the successor to Riewoldt, but now Riewoldt is still chugging along at 33 and CCJ has departed for North Melbourne. Four years of development down the drain for Richmond because CCJ got no game time behind Riewoldt and Lynch.
Joe Daniher only turns 28 the beginning of next season. While he's had a more injury-plagued career than Riewoldt, between modern sports science and the Queensland climate, you'd think he has another 5-6 seasons left in him. So I'm not sure this is the right year to be drafting a KPF. If we spend a first-round pick on Van Rooyen for example, I doubt he's going to get games ahead of Daniher, Hipwood and McStay and I'd be worried about him doing a CCJ. In defence it's the same story with Adams being 28, but even harder to crack the 22 since Payne is already waiting in the wings.
Perhaps we're better off waiting until 2023 for KPP prospects. A midfielder or wing at our first pick and Wilmot at our second would be a great draft for us and bring us closer to a premiership in the next couple of years.
Joe Daniher only turns 28 the beginning of next season. While he's had a more injury-plagued career than Riewoldt, between modern sports science and the Queensland climate, you'd think he has another 5-6 seasons left in him. So I'm not sure this is the right year to be drafting a KPF. If we spend a first-round pick on Van Rooyen for example, I doubt he's going to get games ahead of Daniher, Hipwood and McStay and I'd be worried about him doing a CCJ. In defence it's the same story with Adams being 28, but even harder to crack the 22 since Payne is already waiting in the wings.
Perhaps we're better off waiting until 2023 for KPP prospects. A midfielder or wing at our first pick and Wilmot at our second would be a great draft for us and bring us closer to a premiership in the next couple of years.
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I see your point but I'd still be pretty keen to get a kpp this year. Particularly if he comes on well I don't think it'd be that hard for him to find gametime, if we look at this season just gone he'd probably play ahead of Fullarton for most the season and also ahead of Payne in the finals. Apart from the midfield I think it's our main area that needs topping up on our list.
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I am with you all the way with your last paragraph.
I think a combo of Goater and Wilmot, Sinn and Wilmot or Milera and Wilmot. I would be over the moon with.
But in relation to the rest of your post, if you get good enough kids on your list the Coaching staff will find a way to get them games.
Personally I don’t think the hype over CCJ is warranted. There were opportunities over the last couple of years where they could have given him games and chose not to. So either they think he is not good enough or he was not ready.
Ultimately, if Richmond really wanted to keep him they would have found a way, especially after losing Chol.
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